Over on the 'science' audio forum I posed a question asking if they still believed the CD players of the 1980's were indistinguishable from modern dacs and transports and the guys over there still believe the differences are inaudible! I asked what the point of the rating chart was if they all sound the same? Anyhow these number crunchers could never subjectively listen to MQA and choose it over redbook standard, they don't admit to hearing a difference in hear hi rez.