Originally Posted by NX3
Originally Posted by George Mills
So you are saying the Benchmark DAC-1 is 10 times better. That's quite a statement.

Well I wrote magnitude - you write 10 times - yea yea difference maybe, the point is something else wink

Originally Posted by George Mills
How did you campare?

Blind, without knowing what system I listened to - had, of course, help from my fiance (yes, she does now enough to handle both systems, she just hated one of them - and that is not the Meridian since it survived)

Originally Posted by George Mills
Did you deafeat the dithering in the G68 to do an apples to apples comparison? The dithering in the G68 gives a "warmer" less detailed sound but also MUCH less fatiguing.

Most likly no. I can't remember and I don't have the profile stored on my computer anymore (damn disc crash).

From Your point of view, what settings would you recommend for PSM signal (that is G98DH for CDs and my SPDIF interface from SB3) ? I can try to make a new evaluation although I currently do not have access to any Benchmark DAC-1, but I guess I could buy the new DAC-1 Pre (with USB interface) just for the fun of testing.

Originally Posted by George Mills
One way to compare would be to run the DSP outputs on your G68 into your DAC-1. Set the G68 to non 24/96 DSP speakers. Then you can compare the quality of the DACs based on the SAME inputs. Also be sure to use single ended on your DAC-1. Running a CD player into G68 with dithering and single ended vs the DAC-1 has way to many other variables to do a comparison of the DACs themselves.

I have no DSP Speakers, nor will I ever get anyone wink

If I would do a test, I would run a CD-drive (G98DH, SPDIF output) and SB3 to SPDIF input on the Benchmark DAC-1 Pre against the G68ADV (with MHR for G98 and SPDIF for the SB3) - lot of choices here, not to mention setup of the G68ADV properties. The Amps will be Meridian G-series, with active filter for the Infra system (bas). It's not so simple to explain, but let's say this: I have full respons from about 11Hz to +22kHz - of course with effects from the room. And by the way I would not use MRC for this, although I could of course...

Originally Posted by George Mills
No G68 has been hardware upgraded yet.

Just as I thought. I guess this, in a way, indicates that there might not be any upgrades for the hardware for the G68. It's a dead product from that perspective.

Originally Posted by George Mills
Let's wait to get answers from John K on apodizing. We don't know what makes sense on apodizing filters yet. And a existing G68 may even get it, we don't know yet.

Exactly. But without apodizing or any other upgrades the G68 is dead. Just as the G61R - just about all G-series are dead.

You didn't understand how I explained to do an accurate comaparison of the DACs. You don't need DSP speakers to do it. In Fact, you MUST NOT have DSP speakers to compare the G68 DACs with your DAC-1.

You were comparing apples and oranges.

Generally 1 order of "Magnitude" means 10x. 2 Orders of "Magnitude" is 100x. If it's not that I have no idea what your "Magnitude" means. You didn't say order of Maganitude but I have no other way of interpreting the meaning.

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