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Working on the ultimate question
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OK, it's something of a minutial (is there such a word) point, but would it be too much to ask for replacement source buttons for MSR+ that say 'SACD', 'DVD-A' and 'Bluray'. Kind of sick of the bits of masking tape!
My Kit: 861v8+ID41, 800v4, UHD722, MD600, MS600, MS200, Oppo BDP-203, Genesis 201, Genesis 350 SE, Genesis S4-8 Sub, BG 520i, VTL MB450 II, Krell Showcase 7, Genesis 928 Subs, Danley DTS10 sub, SVS Ultra 16 subs.
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Simon - seconded. I have already spoken to the mothership navigation team to no avail. Optionally get blanks engraved at a jewellery shop and paint in with enamel.
Last edited by gianni; 2008-12-22 19:37. Reason: spooling
In the spirit of Spinaltap, I would like to confirm that I am not involved in the corrupt theft of a global sport.
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Axis Settings
Several of us have expressed our inability to detect changes using different Axis settings. How much is the tweeter "moved" up and down with each increment? Is the ability to hear changes dependent on distance from the loudspeaker to the listening position? Is the difference extremely subtle or should it be readily apparent? Should the entire soundstage sound as if it were moved up and down? Is there something special we should listen for to determine whether a change in Axis is beneficial or detrimental? Is the Axis setting operational for horizontal center speakers? Should the Axis be set the same across all speakers? For those of us with horizontal central speakers whose tweeter height is above or below the tweeter height of the left/right speakers, is it possible to adjust the Axis setting of the center channel speaker only to "move" the tweeter up and down so that the height all the tweeters appears to be the same? Do you have any tips for us?
Trifield Width Settings
Several of us have expressed our inability to detect changes, or only detect very subtle changes, using different Width settings in Trified. Many of us remember having heard readily discernible changes in the past. We raised this issue in the past and you advised us that there was no change in the code which would lead to this result, and said that you would schedule a listening test as time permitted. Have you had an opportunity to do a listening test to confirm that the Width setting is working as it should, and if so, what were your results? Do you have any thoughts as to why we may be experiencing this issue? Is the subtlety or magnitude of the effect of the Width settings affected by the distance between the speakers and/or between the speakers and the listening position, and if so, how? Do you have any tips for us?
Trifield Depth Settings
Several of us have noticed that with every incremental change in the Depth setting in Trifield the sound from the center speaker appears to be in-phase, then out-of-phase, then in-phase, then out-of-phase. Is this normal behavior?
Instructional Materials for Setting Up Various Surround Sound Music Mode Settings
Do you have any instructional materials on how to optimally set up the various music surround sound mode settings other than that which is set forth in the product manuals. For example, do you have any training materials for dealers on the subject which you would be willing to share with us?
Thank you.
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Frank, greatly worded, I think you covered it all. It may be a little long winded but I think it really captures the confusion/frustration/poking-around-in-the-dark/trial-and-error feeling many of us have.
Even if we only get a few trinkets (beyond current docs) out of it, it will be worth it.
I don't feel firmware has changed. It's just small other changes (Actual Distance and Set Distance) dramatically effect the behavior of Trifield Width AND Depth parameters. Why and what is right?
- Fiddler (IMHO)
If you think listening to music is fun, try learning an instrument. HT: G61RSL, 4x5K, 5.5KHC, 2xSC6000, Transporter, HD621, Philips BDP7501 4K, Tivo, 65" LG OLED 4K C6 Computer: Foobar2000, 5K, Mojo, HiFiMan HE1000 V2
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Thanks. Hopefully his answers will bring clarity to confusion.
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What does the axis control actually do on a centre speaker? Does it delay the tweeter by the same amount as the L/R speakers?
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Page 23 of this older manual is the most I have ever managed to find out about DSP speaker tweaks :
http://www.Meridian-audio.info/public/d5kuser%5B203%5D.pdf
Really , at this point , its just ludicrous that M's library doesn't feature more in-depth articles for interested users and it seems that every year its suggested that they may improve this .
~M~
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Does Trifield work properly with no centre speaker?
Meridian owner since 1992 Prime & PSU, Focal Elear headphones, Roon (ROCK 8Gi5 NUC), Explorer 1 & 2, F80. 200/203, various Sonos (via Roon).
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President of the Imperial Galactic Government
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Does trifield work properly with no centre speaker? This is poorly worded and is what causes confusion. Some folks will think your asking about just the front 3 and imediatly say no. I would ask will the Trifield DSP preset still provide a front stereo image and rear ambience with 4.x or 6.x speakers and no center. Oh and while we are at it does Trifield with a center alter the front left and right speakers (i.e. does it subtract info to place in center or rears). You have to watch out for Marketing answers too 
- Fiddler (IMHO)
If you think listening to music is fun, try learning an instrument. HT: G61RSL, 4x5K, 5.5KHC, 2xSC6000, Transporter, HD621, Philips BDP7501 4K, Tivo, 65" LG OLED 4K C6 Computer: Foobar2000, 5K, Mojo, HiFiMan HE1000 V2
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I think in the manuals it says that Stereo or super (or one of the DSP's) uses the Trifield as it's base to provide the surrounds etc.
Rgds, Nick
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According to MConfig (tool tip over the different DSP Presets)
Music is a variation of Trifield (actually it says Trifield is a variation of Music !). Super is a variation of Ambisonics MusicLogic is a variation of Prologic II
- Fiddler (IMHO)
If you think listening to music is fun, try learning an instrument. HT: G61RSL, 4x5K, 5.5KHC, 2xSC6000, Transporter, HD621, Philips BDP7501 4K, Tivo, 65" LG OLED 4K C6 Computer: Foobar2000, 5K, Mojo, HiFiMan HE1000 V2
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I took a stab at answering some of these questions. If someone strongly disagrees or has more info speak up. If we get more info from Meridian I'll try to fill it in as we go. The same questions keep coming up. http://www.meridianunplugged.com/wiki/index.php?pagename=Hitch%20Hikers%20FAQ
- Fiddler (IMHO)
If you think listening to music is fun, try learning an instrument. HT: G61RSL, 4x5K, 5.5KHC, 2xSC6000, Transporter, HD621, Philips BDP7501 4K, Tivo, 65" LG OLED 4K C6 Computer: Foobar2000, 5K, Mojo, HiFiMan HE1000 V2
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