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Well I for one am looking forward to seeing what this mod can do for my old Edison cylinders!

Hurry up, Shawn...

dpstjp

so far:-

cars
pirates of the caribbean 3
a bit of house of flying daggers (the drum scene)

honestly, am totally surprised at the extra depth in what i am hearing... cannot explain it fully just that there is so much more to the soundtracks in question.

even in the first 30 seconds of the start of Cars when the V8 starts up, the difference was startling, had to try it out 2 or 3 times just to make sure!

just listening to David Gilmour live in the Albert Hall, astonishing...

Hi James,

You are welcome! Glad you are enjoying it.

BTW, what display are you using with it?

Have fun,

Shawn

Bingo, I think I fixed the Meridian to lock into Movie6 mode and stay there no matter what for the Clux :-) And it still supports locking in Music2 also with a phantom.

I documented it in the Wiki.

http://www.meridianunplugged.com/wiki/index.php/HDMISolutions

The Meridian actually officially supports a MultiChannel digital non MHR device. You don't need to fake it with a G98. It's a little hidden and I forgot you could add inputs to any generic device. I believe by NOT faking it with a G68 it does not expect meta data over MHR and defaults depending on the type of device. For example a generic DVD with MultiChannel Digital defaults to Movie6 but maybe (I didn't try it) a Generic DVDA MultiChannel might default to Music6. I don't know that for a fact but DVD now defaults to Movie6 which is what most folks want.

This also solves allowing you to keep Music and Movie layouts appropriately with the clux doing movies and music as well.

To force a test of the problem I had. If I paused the PS3 with a BD movie and changed to a different source that was 2 Channel and then back the Meridian would come back to Music2 mode (Trifield). Even if I resume the player it would stay in Music2. Now with the Fix it snaps back to Movie6 even with the PS3 still paused. You could stumble into this issue if you for example selected the source while the DB Menus were up. The only way out was to select another source and then come back to BD player (WHILE playing) and it would see 6 channels and go to Music6 mode again. Now it stays in Movie6.

You can still choose between Cinema and Discrete while in Movie6 mode. The important thing is it defaults to a 6 Channel mode and the mode is also defaulting to Movie. Most people want that as the default.

Edit: Oops I made an error. It is staying locked in 6 channel mode but it's locking into Music6 not Movie6. So it's half fixed. If you don't use different layouts for Movie and Music it's not a big deal. I forgot I defaulted Music6 to Cinema and assumed I was in Movie6 mode and not Music6. This is still a huge step forward though.

IS the Clux working with 24p displays?

Stay on topic please this is not avforums.com or slimdevices forums.

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I believe what the CLUX does is take the EDID of the sink and modify the audio EDID portion as needed based on how the switch on the CLUX is configured. To do this the CLUX needs to understand the EDID it is receiving. The CLUX appears to have problems with the JVC RS-1s EDID. Two people are either getting no audio (from HD-DVD players) or just L/R from their other sources with the chain of source->CLUX->RS1/HD1.

I was able to duplicate this here.

What I think is occurring is there is something in the JVCs EDID that the CLUX does not understand. As such I suspect it is just passing through the JVC EDID through un-modified which is causing the sources to act as they were since the JVC EDID is very unlikely to be broadcasting 6/8 channel LPCM support.

The Gefen DVI Detective + arrived today. I tried using its built in Mode 5 which basically gives up to 1080p60 video support and multiple audio formats including 8 channel LPCM.

With the Gefen in the chain I am getting multichannel audio from the HD-A35 where without it there was no audio before in the chain of A35->CLUX->RS1. You can make the chain A35->Gefen->CLUX->RS1 and get audio or A35->CLUX->Gefen->RS1 and also get audio. So this takes care of the EDID problem. This does not give 24p from the A35 though as I do not think the Mode 5 in the Gefen advertises support for 24p. The A35 has to explicitly see support for 24p to output it, it can not be forced.

So for the 24p issue as a test I had the Gefen learn the EDID I cooked up in the Radiance. This has support for mutlichannel LPCM audio, pretty much all video formats including 24p...etc...etc. After the Gefen learned the EDID I tried it both ahead/behind the CLUX with the A35 and was getting multi-channel audio as well as 24p from the A35. This demonstrates that the learning function of the Gefen does work as well as shows that the CLUX will pass 24p which is good to know. If the source can force 24p (PS3) the lack of support for 24p in the built in EDIDs of the Gefen is not an issue.

The one thing the Gefen does not do is act as a sink. The Gefen basically just passes the video data straight through, it doesn't even have HDMI receiver/transmitters in it. It is basically tied into the DDC line to intercept EDID messages from the sink and substitute its own message to the source instead while passing the HDCP communications through unaltered.

So for situations where the CLUX is having EDID problems with the sink the Gefen DVI Detective Plus looks like a good solution.

Shawn

I wonder if since the RS-1 is a projector only (and has no support at all for audio) is part of the reason the clux has issues. Where if it's connected to say a plasma that can do audio in can modify the audio part of the EDID.

thats me bolloxed then ( thinking with my limited technical knowledge) , as in my other topic , im feeding a pioneer plasma and a jvc hd1 and the general consensus was to output from the radience into the clux then into a 1 x 2 splitter to the screens . the gadgets are rising aswell as the cost ??

neil

Hmm. I tried Tosh XA1 --> CLUX --> RS1 and it appeared to work... Something to do with my 1.7c CLUX firmware?

Neil,

" im feeding a pioneer plasma and a jvc hd1 and the general consensus was to output from the radience into the clux then into a 1 x 2 splitter to the screens ."

You have no need for the Gefen if you put the CLUX on the second output of the Radiance and feed it back to the Radiance. That works fine with the Radiance EDID.

Shawn