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Given all that , John , it sounds as though you think that they should be getting into HD right now . But do you think they will ?
They didnt really mark their anniversary in any big way either so should we be worried that they are falling behind ?
~M~
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Given all that , John , it sounds as though you think that they should be getting into HD right now . But do you think they will ?
They didnt really mark their anniversary in any big way either so should we be worried that they are falling behind ?
~M~
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Originally posted by John Kotches: It doesn't much matter from M's side as everything they need is in 1.3. Everything == Codec or PCM bitstreams.
1.3A is higher bandwidth out to 48-bits.
What about Audio Rate Control introduced in 1.3a? That looks pretty useful for controlling jitter.
Meridian owner since 1992 Prime & PSU, Focal Elear headphones, Roon (ROCK 8Gi5 NUC), Explorer 1 & 2, F80. 200/203, various Sonos (via Roon).
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Originally posted by Meridialien: Given all that , John , it sounds as though you think that they should be getting into HD right now . But do you think they will ?
They didnt really mark their anniversary in any big way either so should we be worried that they are falling behind ?
~M~ I am hoping they announce at CEDIA in a few weeks and deliver around CES time frame. Unfortunately I don't have any insider information on it Cheers,
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Originally posted by Ian: What about Audio Rate Control introduced in 1.3a? That looks pretty useful for controlling jitter. I don't know; I haven't seen anything on it yet. Until I do; I'm going to keep giving the same answer (I don't know). Cheers,
Surround Music Fan/Computer Geek/Curmudgeon in training. --- 861v4, HD621, Panasonic BD-P55K, Toshiba HD-A35, Oppo HD990, Dish Network 622, Pioneer DV-668AV-S w/ DVD Upgrades mod, EW Fontaine II (x5), Velodyne DD-15 (x2), Seymour AV Ice blocks (x7)
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There's also the CE-Link ( which I thought was always there anyway ) which would be useful too . Its going to be very diificult to sell High-End players which are seen to lacking in features available on <$1000 players
~M~
P.S. Just noticed this article on HDMI 1.3 etc
http://www.highdefdigest.com/news/show/Joshua_Zyber/High-Def_FAQ/High-Def_FAQ:_Is_HDMI_1.3_Really_Necessary/853
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Good article, thanks Manus, as useual we are all exposed to loads of 'Smoke and Mirrors' in the world of marketing. I will just wait and see what Meridian do, there track record can be trusted, and continue to enjoy exactly what I have now. Cheers, Chris 
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I just had an in my room and system demo of the Integra DTC-9.8 processor that many people have high hopes of on AVSForum. The first person to report owning one is local to me and he brought it round to compare to my 561 this afternoon. This thing has excellent deinterlacing and scaling via a Silicon Optix Reon chipset, 4x HDMI in with audio and Dolby TruHD support and latest Burr-Brown DACs for a MSRP of $1600.
We went through the full setup procedure, including its Audyssey room correction, and yes the video quality is very good but the audio quality was not even close to the 561 (which is now a 9 or 10 year old design). The Integra sounds over warm, congested, has muddy highs and sloppy bass. The likes of Alison Krauss and even the 90s remastered Moby Dick from Led Zeppelin II were a pretty much night and day comparison. Bonham's cymbols have crisp crashes and long decays on the 561, but just get lost on the Integra.
I will admit that in its price range for a new piece it is a good unit, but it would seem that in 10 years audio quality hasn't moved closer between the mid and high end. Yes as Meridian owners we are missing out on how wonderful lossles soundtracks could be, but unless you are prepared to switch to maybe Anthem (but I've not heard the AVM-50 or D2 to qualify that, they are just about the most relevant competition) the other options out there are nothing to cry home about.
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Thanks Meridian 506. Thats an issue I have had concerns about. Just because a product has all the latest gagets and gizmo's doesn't mean that it is a step forward at rock bottom price. I have heard somone on here say that they could hardly tell the differance between the DTS and MLP tracks on 'The beatles' 'Love' DVD-A. This, if true, means we are not missing much just now, although owners of lesser kit may be making a huge leap forward in quality. Just goes to prove that, 'all that glitters is not gold' as my mum used to say. Cheers, Chris 
No 18 in the Hall of fame  I have simple tastes; I am content to settle for the best: GIK monster bass panels, rear wall. QNAP TVS 471i3. Roon into DSP5200SE via 210/ 218 zone... Explorer 2. Bluesound Pulse 2, Mini & Flex. 596v1, 518, Foxsat HD, Sony BDP, Pioneer 5090, 2 Chromecast's for LRB videos. MS200 to F80 for a Roon zone
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Chris , A classic case of ' We said it was an upgrade , we didn't say it was better ' syndrome ?  Looking forward to any (un) founded rumours from the big show next month ~M~
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Scarcely believable, but it's now 10years [last Friday approx] since this Photo at the launch of the F80 at a snowy Huntington I recall that Bob had some "strange" ideas on the whole idea of "ripping MP3's"... and his whole approach to the idea was very ironic in the light of where he now stands 10 years later  Is it me, or did it seem like things were so much more open and communicative back then [at least on a Meridian scale of openness]. One wonders if this type of day will every be repeated? TEN Years!! ![[Linked Image from meridianunplugged.com]](http://meridianunplugged.com/wiki/uploads/hh1_faces.jpg)
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I am sorry to keep harping on about this, but please read the Meridian 2016 accounts. They are just not making money (actually, they are just positive in cashflow but they are reporting a loss). That is very different from 10 years ago I believe.
They are (as they say in the accounts) in a competitive and rapidly changing marketplace. Ten years ago they were in a leading position with a distinctive product range. No longer.
Unfortunately for customers, there is no rule in business that says good companies will always succeed (because there may be better ones or fashions may change) nor, indeed, that the leaders of businesses will not make serious errors leading to a downfall. I am not suggesting at all (as a newspaper editor might say) that Meridian are guilty of any of these things. They may well be doing the best they can in a challenging marketplace, but we cannot expect them to remain in the remarkable position they had in the past given the huge changes in technology, fashion and competition that have intervened.
As an enthusiast for Meridian (over the years I have spent many, many tens of thousands of pounds on their kit) I am very sorry about all this and I would be delighted if we enthusiasts could meet up somewhere personally (as opposed to through the forum). Actually, I have even thought of hiring an event room somewhere convenient and inviting people for lunch (you would have to pay for the lunch!!) but I am currently a bit busy on a building project. If anyone else wants to take a lead then count me in.
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