Hey vince- thanks for the help- I did have someone come in and do the whole room including sub placement before I got the 861- I will try to get ahold of the company and see what they think- I just thought maybe I am doing something wrong - I moved around the room and the RS meter still came up short - also in the EAR(listening dept) it just sounds flat- both subs are in different parts of the room so it seems strange that it would happen to both-I was thinking thee is something in the 861 which iset up wrong??- thanks for all the hep guys-