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#47901 2006-12-19 19:15
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^^ likely to get access to the other studios/movies would be my guess...
The formats don't have an inherent PQ, just the studio's success/failure to encode properly...

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#47902 2006-12-19 23:52
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He confirms my observations above... MPEG2 looks artificial compared to VC-1...

Mark
Aside from those two Japanese Bluray releases from Disney being VC1 (Face/Off, Cinderella Man) it turns out they've gone and quietly ushered their first US VC1 release to the market in the guise of Flight Plan. Thought you'd like to know, given the rumours are that they might make this a permanent marriage for their future Bluray releases. I`ll prod Amir for whatever information I can tomorrow.

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With all these obvious reasons why people still buy BD players?.
As a consumer, I refuse to buy BD and PS3 on principle. Neither of them have proven their worth in price premium. I can understand not buying into hi-def over the format war. I can understand buying HD-DVD for $400. I cannot understand buying BD for $1000, especially given their pitiful mastering of their initial release of titles. When a company offers less for twice as much money, I just have to say 'no'.

#47904 2006-12-20 00:51
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With all these obvious reasons why people still buy BD players?.
As a consumer, I refuse to buy BD and PS3 on principle. Neither of them have proven their worth in price premium. I can understand not buying into hi-def over the format war. I can understand buying HD-DVD for $400. I cannot understand buying BD for $1000, especially given their pitiful mastering of their initial release of titles. When a company offers less for twice as much money, I just have to say 'no'.
This will teach Sony a lesson. You go guy.


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#47905 2006-12-20 02:40
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Viva le resistance!

Seriously. PS3 is hurting right now, because individual decisions have rolled into mass rejection. When the NYT and Time Warner write articles about how much of a let down a product is, then you know that each 'no' actually does count. So 'no', this is not acceptable.

#47906 2006-12-20 07:45
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People for some reason go with VC-1 as a better codec then MPG2 ,but to my eyes I prefer the MGP2 and if you read this guy's review you agree with me.
http://Bluray.highdefdigest.com/worldtradecenter.html
"I tend to find MPEG-2 gives an image a slightly coarser, harder-edged look. Noise is a tad bit more pronounced versus VC-1, which gives off a smoother veneer. "

He confirms my observations above... MPEG2 looks artificial compared to VC-1...

Mark [/QB]
...and in the review he writes that he, as other people, have been "dissing MPEG-2 as a codec" but now he "really can't find much to complain about."

That may be because the release is two 50GB double-layer disks, one for the movie and one for the extras... wink


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#47907 2006-12-20 09:26
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Originally posted by DanielB:
Aside from those two Japanese Blu Ray releases from Disney being VC1 (Face/Off, Cinderella Man) it turns out they've gone and quietly ushered their first US VC1 release to the market in the guise of Flight Plan. Thought you'd like to know, given the rumours are that they might make this a permanent marriage for their future Blu Ray releases. I`ll prod Amir for whatever information I can tomorrow.
Ordered Flight Plan. Enjoy the Amir show and looking forward to any comments you can post.

Mark

#47908 2006-12-20 11:34
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From Sharp minds Comes Sharp BD Players.
Keep it simple now.

http://www.engadgethd.com/2006/12/19/sharp-brings-its-own-blue-lasers-to-the-party/



#47909 2006-12-20 11:43
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Originally posted by DanielB:
[b]Aside from those two Japanese Blu Ray releases from Disney being VC1 (Face/Off, Cinderella Man) it turns out they've gone and quietly ushered their first US VC1 release to the market in the guise of Flight Plan. Thought you'd like to know, given the rumours are that they might make this a permanent marriage for their future Blu Ray releases. I`ll prod Amir for whatever information I can tomorrow.
Ordered Flight Plan. Enjoy the Amir show and looking forward to any comments you can post.

Mark [/b]
There is a guy named Amir is on AVS all the time. Is this the same guy?....


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#47910 2006-12-20 12:15
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Originally posted by Keep it Simple:
Viva le resistance!

Seriously. PS3 is hurting right now, because individual decisions have rolled into mass rejection. When the NYT and Time Warner write articles about how much of a let down a product is, then you know that each 'no' actually does count. So 'no', this is not acceptable.
I'm not going to buy PS3 on its launch in the UK (March) either. I'm a prime candidate for their core market - I've got a PS1, PS2 and PSP. I bought PS2 when it came out and got an expensive noisy box with no decent games at the time. And Sony have just let all of us Europeans know how much it loves us by not releasing it here for another quarter.

Unless we get something to compensate, then I've had enough. I'll reconsider in about a year when Gran Turismo 5 comes out, but till then I'm not going to contribute to Sony's arrogance by boosting their release sales figures.

BTW - Sony's marketing guys have come up with an 'Can PS3' automated answer web site over here as a teaser for the not-so-state-of-the-art-anymore technology.

I asked it 'Can PS3... compensate for the late release in Europe'. The answer?

'PS3 doesn't need to compensate for anything.'

And to think I accused Sony of arrogance!


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#47911 2006-12-20 12:36
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KIS- I guess you could call yourself "The Consumer Who Can Say 'NO'" wink

Seriously though- its not like the PS3 isnt selling- its sold out. So for now Sony can claim its a success. We all know its far too early to tell whether its a success or not in the long run. To my eyes, there just seems to be a lot of baggage.

Btw- Mark, I watched "The Searchers" which is the disc you were kind enough to purchase for me- Ken suggested it. Its been a very long time since I saw this movie. The image is generally terrific. Yes you can see the kind of over saturated colors of "technicolor" but overall the presentation on HD DVD is wonderful. What really grabs you when you watch these movies are titles and text there is no ringing- none.

best regards,
Jerry


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#47912 2006-12-20 13:29
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Originally posted by RegaApollo:
There is a guy named Amir is on AVS all the time. Is this the same guy?....
It is.

Mark

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