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Many processors can do something similar but none are exactly the same as Trifield. Whether or not it is similar enough is up to the end user's preferences.


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Exactly. Similar is not the same. More channels/newer is not a slam-dunk better. It’s more subtle than that and you really have to directly compare in the same room and system, ideally a home demo over a reasonable period of time with both processors with you at the same time.


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I think the comparisons are not that easy to make as the goals are not the same? But correct me if im wrong.

In Trifield the center speaker is mostly used to compensate cross talk which helps to clarify stereo imaging and sound stage.

In home cinema the goal was /is more to create a all around soundfield, the center has the role to put voices etc near the screen. A good adjusted and rightly placed object based system can also sound amazing with the right movie but when i use it to get a stereo recording to play over 11 speakers it still disappoints.
Although i think things have improved with DTS Neural:X

A bit off topic: for some songs EBA on or off can also make a very noticeable difference in sound stage.
With the song You and your friend by Dire Straits the stage widens quite a bit when I put EBA on.

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I’ve never heard that the centre in Trifield is just to compensate crosstalk - do you have a reason for thinking this?

I think it’s really important to differentiate between music and movie usage. Most multichannel processors are heavily geared towards movie use, which is understandable. Meridian was one of the few who designed their multichannel processors from the ground up to excel at music reproduction, partly because at the time they had skin in the game with DVD-Audio. They were always renowned for superlative performance with music as well as movies.

EBA is excellent, and one of the best reasons to get into newer DSPs. Subjectively, with 7200.2s when I had a pair, it seemed to produce a wider and taller soundstage, but perhaps slightly less depth. Of course that was in one room, I’ve heard others say it inproves stereo image depth in theirs - room acoustics can never be ruled out. I almost always had EBA turned on, there were a few rare recordings when it sounded better off, but that was personal preference not right or wrong.

I also still very much think MRC is excellent and does its work without changing mids/treble or the overall character of the system.


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Originally Posted by CMB Integrations - Bruce
Processors such as the Trinnov offer very good upmix features for two channel sources.
A UK Meridian/Trinnov/Storm|Audio dealership informs me that Auro 3D or DTS-X on both AVP’s delivers an excellent/totally convincing upmixing of 2 channel/stereo music into surround.


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Almost all Surround processors have some way of doing this, don’t they, and always have as far as I remember?

Whether the OP, who specifically loves Trifield, will like them, though, is a complete unknown - they all have their own ways of doing this (and some may be better - who knows?) but they're not Trifield as Meridian were a sole licensee, as I recall, apart from a short-lived software version, which disappeared pretty quickly.


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That’s interesting. I’d like to hear that.

I have to confess that I’ve never got on with DTS-X, what it does with the front 3 speakers just does not suit me in my room, with my kit. With this thread I’ve tried it again but still not keen.

Auro 2/3D is more appealing and I quite like it, there is a significant volume change when you toggle between Auro and other DSPs, properly 3dB. There is a bass uplift too, reminds me of the ‘loundness’ option on some amps of the past. So that can be quite pleasing at moderate levels but overall I’ve found I’ve had to adjust my bass settings, in my case turning the subs down.

I imagine the Trinnov / Storm processors have many options to configure settings per DSP offered, like Meridian processors. That’s properly my one frustration of the Marantz I use as you just don’t have that same level of tweaking available.

After all this talk I might have to rig up my 568 and remind myself of Trifield!


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From the May/June 2024 edition of ‘Widescreen Review’ on the Storm|Audio ISR Fusion…
Originally Posted by Widescreen Review
Movie studios have decided to cheat the public by almost never using any of the capabilities built-in to Dolby Atmos or DTS:X when they create Immersive Sound soundtracks for theatrical or home movies. Doing that properly requires putting one or more sound engineers at mixing consoles for days at a time while they work out what sounds should appear in height channels, what sounds should be in ear-level channels and what sounds should be in BOTH ear-level and height channels.

Dolby and DTS both allow sophisticated placement and movement of objects in 3D space, but you might hear that done properly in one out of 50 movie soundtracks and then it might last for the duration of one helicopter fly-over and never again during an entire two-hour movie. It’s quite pathetic. And the studios don’t do any better with DTS:X mixing. It’s not the fault of Dolby Atmos or DTS:X that their soundtracks are so terrible. The problem is 100 percent created by the studios being interested only in putting “Dolby Atmos” or “DTS:X” on the boxes so they will sell without putting any actual intelligence into their ersatz Immersive Sound soundtracks. With streaming, there’s even LESS “name recognition” of Immersive Sound. Streaming programming also never gets actual sound engineers. Instead, for Dolby Atmos soundtracks, they appear to put the original 5.1 or 7.1 mix through Dolby Surround (a terrible sounding upmixer that makes everything sound worse) to upmix the 5.1 or 7.1 to 11.1. Then they encode those 11 fake and bad-sounding channels as though they are 11 discrete channels created by sound engineers at the console. Except studios don’t do proper Dolby Atmos or DTS:X soundtracks more than one or two out of 100 titles. DTS:X soundtracks happen the same way, only those are upmixed through Neural:X. Neural:X sounds a little better than Dolby Surround, but not much.

To hear these movies with actual decent Immersive Sound, you have to forget the DTS:X or Dolby Atmos decoding completely, and use the AuroMatic upmixer instead. It is a revelation. You simply shouldn’t bother with Immersive Sound in 2024 if you don’t have AuroMatic in your system. In Star Trek Beyond, there is a scene when 100s or 1,000s of one-man ships swarm Enterprise and gain entry through the hull by making man-sized holes. Once they get inside Enterprise, fighting breaks out all over the ship. Using native decoding, the height channels are silent for this entire boarding scene except for the computer voice saying “Red Alert” several times that comes through in the height channels. There is literally no other sound in the height channels. Yet if you were there on the ship while that was happening, you would be surrounded by the sounds of combat and weapons echoing off the ceiling everywhere… you would be immersed in that sound, but as released by the studios, you get terrible, dumb, awful, and useless Immersive Sound. But turn off Dolby Atmos or DTS:X and switch to AuroMatic and you experience a revelation of realistic on-ship combat and the “Red Alert” announcements remain in the height channels.


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Is Auromatic the same as Auro-3D?


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It is the Auro-3D upmixer.


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Unfortunately AURO compatible processors are rather rare, most of the market being dominated by Denon and Marantz. I think the best value would be an Arcam which is much less expensive than Storm but should sound better than Marantz.


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