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Most times when I play an MQA track via Roon/Tidal, both my Meridian 218 and 210 will display the same MQA authentication colour.
At other times, like when playing Bob James’ ‘Feel Like Making Live’, the MQA authentication light on my 210 displays Blue and my 218 displays Green.
Why is this?
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Does the colour depend on the sampling frequency? There's something like that on the Explorer 2.
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Good question/reply but as OP has M6 (no display) he will not see the subtle . difference. This was my understanding of M explanation when entering the SE world. So much for the consideration of the colour blind.
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MQA LED status light: - Blue means MQA Studio - Green means MQA Authenticated More on the differences between the two here: Bob explains MQA AuthenticationNow why you get different colours sometimes on the two products I could only explain by saying they are streaming different files. I appreciate it's the same piece of music, but it can't be guaranteed to be playing precisely the same file on each device. Are you selecting that track in exactly the same way each time? Rick
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Rick, my system is configured thus…
210 > 218 > M6
The Bob James example I used is simply because his latest Album was released this weekend - but the component behaviour is consistent with other MQA Albums by other performers via Roon/Tidal. That is, a split in the different coloured MQA authentication lights between my 210 and 218. It occurs often rather than rarely.
When the split occurs, my 210 will always display Blue and my 218 Green.
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This is exactly the same behaviour I have with my 210 streamer feeding my 218 preamp. The way I see it is, the 210 sees the file and confirms it is an MQA Studio file via Tidal/Roon, then the 218 is confirming the file is MQA, the Studio flag is perhaps not seen or required. Is my understanding correct?
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Oh, but is there any significant difference in your audio reception especially related to Blue Sound v Green Sound.
Just my stupid question.
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What happens, colourwise, if you stream (Roon) first (only) to the 218 and not via the 210 using the same tracks?
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Before I had the 210, I streamed direct from Roon to the 218 and the MQA colours were correct…
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When the split occurs, my 210 will always display Blue and my 218 Green. 1. If your 210 is decoding the MQA, then the 218 should be showing magenta, because it's acting purely in a rendering capacity and is unable to authenticate. This is a cryptographic consequence of doing the first decode somewhere other than the device that is rendering. (And the 218 is rendering even if you use the digital outputs to DSP loudspeakers). 2. If your 218 is *not* decoding the MQA, then this feels an awful lot like the 24-bit MQA stream being stripped to 16-bits (which will still be recognized as MQA, but green MQA). In case 1 there would appear to be a bug in the 218 in that it's showing green instead of magenta (although there is the possibility that it *can't* show magenta). In case 2 there would appear to be a passthrough bug. Are both devices running the very latest firmware? The 218 in particular received rendering fixes a while back.
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My 218s ‘Software Version’ is ‘1.1 build 218’
My 210s ‘Main Version’ is ‘01.00.01’
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