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I'll start by saying I love my 6K's, they are an impressive speaker, but at times they seem to shake the room, with their bass, causing an overhang of the low end.
My room is around 15 foot square, speakers 6 foot apart and facing straight ahead, toeing them in seemed to diffuse the soundstage somewhat.
I have a suspended wooden floor, but underneath there is a basement room, almost identical, size and height, and I feel that this may be the problem acting as a soundbox.
I’m just wondering does anyone else have similar experiences or found ways of minimising this problem, or have they just had to give them up?
Thanks
LP12, Garrard 401, Thorens TD 125, Tom Fletcher DAIS, Thorens Td 150, Systemdeck. 800v2, DSP 6K's 18 bit. Leak TL12+ Monooblocks.Quad ESL 57,Jim Rodgers JR 149
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Try the Isoacoustics Gaia. I use the nr 1 under mine 6k’s and it tightens the bass and lifts everything else.
Main Room: iPad Air, 218, Roon Nucleus One, Qobuz, 500 CD, AC12, DSP6000.2 (2007) & IsoAcoustics Gaia I Studio Ω: MacBook Pro,Traktor, Ableton Live, Push 3, Novation Peak, Korg MK, Akai MPK 25 & 61, SL 1210Mk2x2, Traktor Z2, A&H Qu-Pac, Genelec 1031A. Bedroom: Roon, Wiim Pro Plus, Genelec Photo: Leica M with 35mm LESS IS MORE
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First, is the firmware up to date? The latest update made a big difference to the bass. That was a few years ago though.
Before you get carried away… if you can put £70 together, try Soundcare Superspikes? That’s what I use under mine.
Actually I could lend you some to try.
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Another option would be some Townshend Isolation Bars. They claim to deal with exactly your problem.
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I know the Gaia’s are expensive. Lucky me I got them on sale, half price. I used the Superspikes prior to the Gaia’s and I must say with the Gaia’s the 6k’s sounds like they never sounded before. The tightness of the bass is just fantastic. I think this is the way they are supposed to sound.
Main Room: iPad Air, 218, Roon Nucleus One, Qobuz, 500 CD, AC12, DSP6000.2 (2007) & IsoAcoustics Gaia I Studio Ω: MacBook Pro,Traktor, Ableton Live, Push 3, Novation Peak, Korg MK, Akai MPK 25 & 61, SL 1210Mk2x2, Traktor Z2, A&H Qu-Pac, Genelec 1031A. Bedroom: Roon, Wiim Pro Plus, Genelec Photo: Leica M with 35mm LESS IS MORE
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I love the 6Ks too! I realize space is tight, but how far do you have them from the walls? Pulling them forward from the back wall (even a little bit) should help. You can also try adjusting the bass by -1 or -2 and see if that helps.
I think you are asking the right questions and are smart to try everything you can to get them to work before selling them- they really are wonderful speakers, and worth the effort to try make them work IMHO.
Hope you get it sorted!
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Firmware is different ie the last 96/24 firmware is different to the 18 bit one, which I believe ended at 3.21. I think the last 96/24 firmware had the crossover and bass benefits (5.21?).
I also run 6k 18 bits, have had them in 2 different rooms but in both cases the bass needed taming.
The bass controls are good but ideally (imhv) you want to target using MRC or EQ (say from Roon).
Long story short I also once had 96/24 6ks on a wooden floor in a different house and used the above mentioned superspikes. They helped but I still needed to tame the bass using the bass controls (I did not have MRC or Roon EQ options at that point in time). I was never 100% happy but was less inclined or happy using tone type controls back then.
Right now, I might have a better sized room but have constraints in placement so feel I have no option but to tailor using EQ. To me it makes a significant positive difference.
So I would fiddle some more!
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Thanks again Alistair, I think we have correspond beforehand to others for their helpful suggestions.
At present I have the speakers about 10 inches from the back wall, and say 3 foot from the side walls on each side.I have the heads tilted forward, and use the axis down on full -2.I think I will look again at the boundary setting and also I believe there is a servicing or factory menu, whereby the the bass and treble can be adjusted
I’ve looked at those Gala footings and to me,they seem very expensive, but the other thing is they would add more height, and I already feel the treble is sometimes like a waterfall, with detail cascading down, maybe my friends suggestion of buying a tennis umpires chair might be the answer.
LP12, Garrard 401, Thorens TD 125, Tom Fletcher DAIS, Thorens Td 150, Systemdeck. 800v2, DSP 6K's 18 bit. Leak TL12+ Monooblocks.Quad ESL 57,Jim Rodgers JR 149
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Sorry I missed the idea of Roon or MRC ... is that Meridian Room Correction, I'll need a processor for that like a 861 say?
Not sure how one runs Roon, I know it organises your music, but not sure about the EQ, is that just using different resolutions ie CD vs Hi Res, because I can do that with the Qobuz I subscribe with.
LP12, Garrard 401, Thorens TD 125, Tom Fletcher DAIS, Thorens Td 150, Systemdeck. 800v2, DSP 6K's 18 bit. Leak TL12+ Monooblocks.Quad ESL 57,Jim Rodgers JR 149
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Hi for details on Roon check out... Roon Getting Started. Roon DSP. Roon Community SiteRegard, Carl
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Thanks again Alistair, I think we have correspond beforehand to others for their helpful suggestions. That’s right we spoke at the time you had the speakers serviced! Regarding boundary settings - yes give them a go. Other than that you should be able to access the treble and bass controls by using your MSR - check the manuals if in doubt!
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Sorry I missed the idea of Roon or MRC ... is that Meridian Room Correction, I'll need a processor for that like a 861 say? MRC - correct Meridian Room Correction. The 861 and also several of the G series pros (G68 as a legacy example).
Main: Marantz SR8015 / Polk Audio Reserve R500 / Bang & Olufsen Beolab 4 / Arendal 1961 1V / Oppo 203 / WiiM Pro Plus / Apple TV 4K
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