|
|
Joined: Feb 2008
Posts: 1,941 Likes: 9
Knows where his towel is
|
|
Knows where his towel is
Joined: Feb 2008
Posts: 1,941 Likes: 9 |
The reality is that the sound is probably too compressed for a switch to make a huge difference (although, I could be proven wrong). I don't know about streaming video but for audio I agree with spinaltap and Silent Angel: a poor switch can generate a lot of noise. I think that good re-clocking provided by the switch also helps. But knowledge on this area of audio seems to be still developing. As said elsewhere, I also found an ethernet filter made a big difference.
Asa Post
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Oct 2003
Posts: 3,980 Likes: 200
Vogon Civil Servant
|
|
Vogon Civil Servant
Joined: Oct 2003
Posts: 3,980 Likes: 200 |
A typical audio grade, single use, Ethernet Filter can work out more expensive than purchasing an audio grade switch with multiple ports. For example, I require several ports to connect my Router, ROCK Server, plus Meridian 218 and 210.
Not an Actor, nor married to Jamie-Lee Curtis.
#1: DSP5200SE|DSW.2|218|210|506.2|504 #2: Prime/PSU|SOtM sMS-200 Mini NEO SE|Focal Stellia #3: Other stuff
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Feb 2008
Posts: 1,941 Likes: 9
Knows where his towel is
|
|
Knows where his towel is
Joined: Feb 2008
Posts: 1,941 Likes: 9 |
Yes, but I think you will find that for best sound quality you need to use a good switch and the ENO filter. And yes, it is expensive but, I think, good value.
Asa Post
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Aug 2009
Posts: 1,069 Likes: 67
Pan-dimensional being
|
|
Pan-dimensional being
Joined: Aug 2009
Posts: 1,069 Likes: 67 |
I don't know about streaming video but for audio I agree with spinaltap and Silent Angel: a poor switch can generate a lot of noise I agree absolutely for HiFi audio equipment and, for high-end AV, I would imagine the same is true. For anyone using Sky and Amazon boxes, I suspect providing cleaner power or upgrading the power supply in the source equipment is likely to make a much greater difference.
Prolific music listener / Hi-Fi addict!
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Oct 2003
Posts: 3,980 Likes: 200
Vogon Civil Servant
|
|
Vogon Civil Servant
Joined: Oct 2003
Posts: 3,980 Likes: 200 |
FWIW, until 22nd December, on eBay, you can get 10% discount on the 8Switch by using the code ‘PERCENTOFF’.
This offer is via ‘hifi-madness’ (Audio Affair), or ‘chord2425’ (Analogue Seduction).
Both sellers are Meridian PP’s.
Not an Actor, nor married to Jamie-Lee Curtis.
#1: DSP5200SE|DSW.2|218|210|506.2|504 #2: Prime/PSU|SOtM sMS-200 Mini NEO SE|Focal Stellia #3: Other stuff
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Feb 2011
Posts: 2,821 Likes: 94
Great Green Arkleseizure
|
|
Great Green Arkleseizure
Joined: Feb 2011
Posts: 2,821 Likes: 94 |
Could anybody explain, in simple terms, the differences between a so called "Audio Switch" and other E switches that have been available for both commercial and safety critical industrial applications for the last ten years.
Hector
AV: Thorens TD160B, SME, ShureV15MK2, 500, 598, 861v4, DSP7200.1, DSP3300HC Samsung UE55, SkyHD. DINING: MS600, AC200, DSP5200SEUG. STUDY 504, Roon Nucleus + RevB, 808v6, 5200SE, Mac & PC (Touch Screen), Prime+PS Grado GS1000i HORIZONTAL: M80, MS200, Red Rose Spirit + Sonus Faber Toys, iPad Mini A capella to Zydeco
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Nov 2009
Posts: 386 Likes: 30
Hitchhiker
|
|
Hitchhiker
Joined: Nov 2009
Posts: 386 Likes: 30 |
It boils down to designs that are intended to minimize "noise" which is not something you would hear directly, like tape hiss, but the absence of which allows more musical detail to be heard. My first experience of this was with an expensive commercial switch from Cisco that was sold used for $40. One of many posters on the Naim Audio forum, where people report their experiences and speculate about the new "science", attributes this to: "better clock circuitry, electro magnetic compliance and twisted pair transmission line termination compared to some other devices because of the environments they can be used in, and the high data transmission quality and reliability they offer. These Catalyst devices also implement IGMP snooping by default, which depending on home network and connected applications can improve streamer SQ as it removes irrelevant data and processing overhead from the streamer. Less processing and work tends to lead to better SQ." Now I own an Uptone etherREGEN which addresses additional sources of obscuring "hash" which are further explained in their infamous White Paper.
Last edited by OldDogCan; 2020-12-21 11:28.
Server: Audiolinux Roon NUC w/HAF room correction and crosstalk cancellation Theater: 218, Allo Signature, miniDSP, HD621, C61R, DSP5200SEu, 420, 33, NHT subs EtherREGEN w/Finisar fiber, Shunyata Denali Living Room: RPi4 Diretta Host & Target, Ghent USB > Singxer SU-6 > AES NA M-Links > DSP9 Shunyata TritonV3, LHY lps, Farad Super3, Stack AUVA feet
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jan 2004
Posts: 901 Likes: 19
Pan-dimensional being
|
|
Pan-dimensional being
Joined: Jan 2004
Posts: 901 Likes: 19 |
In a multi-switch house, would you just need to place the audiophile switch nearest the critical audio endpoint? In my house, for example, I have a central 24 port switch in the server cupboard and then single runs out to the living room, AV room etc and in those rooms each has smaller 8 port switches.
Chris Srces: Squeezebox Touch | OSMC Vero 4K+ Procs: HD621 > G61R > Minidsp DDRC-88D Spkrs: 7200.2 + 5KC + 5Ks | iNuke6K > USC15 | iNuke3K > 2 x Crowson T108SS Video: JVC HD950 & 1.9m React3 2.4:1 screen Room: 5.8x2.8m | Various GIK Panels
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Nov 2009
Posts: 386 Likes: 30
Hitchhiker
|
|
Hitchhiker
Joined: Nov 2009
Posts: 386 Likes: 30 |
In a multi-switch house, would you just need to place the audiophile switch nearest the critical audio endpoint? In my house, for example, I have a central 24 port switch in the server cupboard and then single runs out to the living room, AV room etc and in those rooms each has smaller 8 port switches. Yes. Because I liked the Cisco Catalyst result when placed just before my 218 into theater DSP5200SE, I bought a second (also used) unit I've installed just before my streamer into a stereo DSP5000.2 system. Now the EtherREGEN is between Cisco and 218. Kind of like noise filters put as close to the network DAC as possible.
Server: Audiolinux Roon NUC w/HAF room correction and crosstalk cancellation Theater: 218, Allo Signature, miniDSP, HD621, C61R, DSP5200SEu, 420, 33, NHT subs EtherREGEN w/Finisar fiber, Shunyata Denali Living Room: RPi4 Diretta Host & Target, Ghent USB > Singxer SU-6 > AES NA M-Links > DSP9 Shunyata TritonV3, LHY lps, Farad Super3, Stack AUVA feet
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Oct 2003
Posts: 3,980 Likes: 200
Vogon Civil Servant
|
|
Vogon Civil Servant
Joined: Oct 2003
Posts: 3,980 Likes: 200 |
Innous joins the audiophile grade network switch club - costing £€$A Small Fortune. Makes my EE8Switch look like a bargain by comparison.
Not an Actor, nor married to Jamie-Lee Curtis.
#1: DSP5200SE|DSW.2|218|210|506.2|504 #2: Prime/PSU|SOtM sMS-200 Mini NEO SE|Focal Stellia #3: Other stuff
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Apr 2010
Posts: 95 Likes: 3
Hitchhiker
|
|
Hitchhiker
Joined: Apr 2010
Posts: 95 Likes: 3 |
I have an EtherRegen but the Networks Acoustics ENO which I have been auditioning for only a few hours seems to take things to a new level. Actually pretty amazing especially since it is passive. And it seems to be getting better as it burns in.
Nucleus Roon Server w Uptone JS-2 LPS. 818v3, 8000SE, IsoAcoustics Titan Theis. Denafrips Arcas Streamer Dual SVS SB17 Subs w IsoAcoustics Gaia 1. AQ Vodka/Diamond Network/SL Cables. Tempus network switch. Muon-Pro network filter. Shunyata Everest, Shunyata Omega and Sigma Power Cables. 2x CAD GC1
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Feb 2016
Posts: 57 Likes: 1
Mostly harmless
|
|
Mostly harmless
Joined: Feb 2016
Posts: 57 Likes: 1 |
Hi David, I have been considering audio Ethernet switches, still a dark art to me, and had basically selected two finalist the ReGen and Network Acoustics, Could you please provide some comparisons and how and where in your system they were used and most importantly the SQ effect they had.
Home Theater: LG 4K C7, HD621, G61RSL, Oppo 203, MS600, DSP3100 L & R, 2x3100's centers and 4xDSP3100's surrounds. 2x REL S3 SHO and 2x REL habitat1 subwoofers. Music & TV: Sony 4k XBR 65", Oppo 203, HD621, G68D, C15, 588, M10, M20's, M33's, 4xDSP33's MD600, 2xTwinStores.. 2xMS600, F80, Prime headphone and PSU.
|
|
|
|
0 members (),
117
guests, and
3
robots. |
|
Key:
Admin,
Global Mod,
Mod
|
|
|
Forums18
Topics31,202
Posts297,179
Members5,503
| |
Most Online4,788 May 22nd, 2026
|
|
|
|