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Dear all, I have been using a 218 as a roon streamer for a year now and I like the device a lot. Recently I went to a friend of a friend with an immense high end system. Martin logan E2 and MSB DAC. We tested the MSB DAC being fed by USB directly from a mac with roon and compared the same DAC being fed by the SPDIF of the 218 as roon endpoint. The difference was large and made me think about the 218. The MSB DAC directly fed with USB was much better. Considering a 818v3, I was looking at the 218 where there is a cheap switch mode power supply (cosel TUHS 5F) which could be improved. This power supply was removed and replaced for a external linear PSU Farad super 3. Straight after connecting the difference it made to the sound was remarkable. The soundstage became more realistic and much deeper. There was more detail as well. I can't switch back to the original but to form an idea, I switched back the 12V adapter of the MS200 and the step back is not subtle. I don't know how it would compare to a 818v3 as I don't have one.. A recommended upgrade! With standard PSU: https://www.meridianunplugged.com/ubbthreads/gallery/16/full/3499.jpgUpgraded PSU: https://www.meridianunplugged.com/ubbthreads/gallery/16/full/3500.jpghttps://www.meridianunplugged.com/ubbthreads/gallery/16/full/3502.jpghttps://www.meridianunplugged.com/ubbthreads/gallery/16/full/3501.jpg
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Main: DSP8000SE< 218 < Farad Super3 TMCB < PS Audio P10. Room correction: Focus Fidelity.
Second: Fostex Fe206NV2 < Audio innovations 500 valve amp < Wiim Pro +
Study: DSP33 < Reviver < MS200
Server: ROCK + Tidal on NUC, fiber on 2x cisco 2960, HD-Plex LPS.
Gone: DSP7200SEu, DSW, DSP5500mkI & DSP5000mkI, 508.20, 210
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Interesting. Is Meridian’s SPSU a plug-in devices, or is it soldered in? Similarly, do the leads from the new LPSU (black & red wires) plug in or do they need to be soldered?
Imagine Meridian would not be impressed warrantee wise. But begs the question why simple switching to external LPSUs isn’t offered.
William
808.6,HD621, Oppo 103EU, DSP5200SEs, DSW.2; 218, DSP3200s, Oppo 105D, Panasonic PVR, Panasonic plasma; F80
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Indeed. It's a pity M didn't go with an external power brick which could be updated if desired (like the Prime headphone amp).
I'm currently building an external ADC to see if it can improve the internal one by using a LPSU.
Main: Roon-Mac, Oracle Delphi/SME 309/Cadenza Blue, GSP Reflex C, 218, DSP5200SEU, Sky Q, Samsung 49KS7000
Office: Roon-Mac, Quad Vena 2, DALI Opticon 1
Prototype and learning: 101, M30 mk1
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Great stuff! I was waiting for someone to do this, a little beyond my pay grade. From the looks of it, you’ve replaced the mains socket with a DC inlet and wired it internally to the formerly + and - of the now de-soldered SMPS? I’ll give this a go! Any tips, watch out for this or that?
I wonder if there’s any more pimping possible, regulators, capacitors?
Thanks for doing this and sharing.
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Hi,
The switching power supply is not soldered and it can be pulled out. I was a bit scared to mess up the 218 for good. A removed PSU is not a good start to claim warranty. So I let a professional do it at the designers of the new PSU; Farad. The new wires are soldered in (I think).
The sound difference is really astonishing. It is something that also non audio people easily pick up in a blind test. I don't understand M didn't offered this as an option. The Prime PSU has the same voltage (!) and is probably a very good match! I chose the farad because I think it is one of the best on offer now.
Main: DSP8000SE< 218 < Farad Super3 TMCB < PS Audio P10. Room correction: Focus Fidelity.
Second: Fostex Fe206NV2 < Audio innovations 500 valve amp < Wiim Pro +
Study: DSP33 < Reviver < MS200
Server: ROCK + Tidal on NUC, fiber on 2x cisco 2960, HD-Plex LPS.
Gone: DSP7200SEu, DSW, DSP5500mkI & DSP5000mkI, 508.20, 210
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Great Job!Trust it must sound much better.
HT: Audiocom LX800CE, MP-60,HOLO MAY*2 Analogue speaker(LRC), DSP5200SL (side), DSP7200SE (rear),AntimodeX4,JTR Cap4000ULF*2,Christie HD8C,GIK Bass Traps.
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An interesting thought is has anyone done something similar with other slim Meridian devices that use small SPSUs, e.g. the HD621?
I have always had the notion that it was essentially analogue devices that benefit from LPSUs, rather than the digital side.
William
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HT: Audiocom LX800CE, MP-60,HOLO MAY*2 Analogue speaker(LRC), DSP5200SL (side), DSP7200SE (rear),AntimodeX4,JTR Cap4000ULF*2,Christie HD8C,GIK Bass Traps.
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I am very curious at the difference this made.
I have an MS600 and have occasionally thought of trying something similar. A while back one was advertised for sale on here with an upgraded LPSU. I was tempted to buy it just for the PSU alone but couldn't quite justify the cost on an unknown. Sadly the LPSU used and the method of installation was an unknown.
Sources: MS600, Fidelity Audio Reference Oppo UHD-203, Roon/QNAP, AppleTV 4K
Processors: Arcam AV40, 271 x2, Lumagen 5348 with Keces P8
Speakers: DSP7200SE FL/FR, DSP5200SE VC, DSP3200 x11, DSP320.2 VOG, DSW x4
Display: JVC DLA-N7 with PK-EM2, Panamorph Phoenix Pro, 128" 2.37 Curved Silver Ticket AT Screen
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I have had a MS600 as well and was able to compare with a 218, both unmodified. I though the 218 was slightly better. Somehow I never was blown away by the MS600, certainly not given its size. I have used the balanced analogue outputs as well on a set of active ATC SCM20SL which wasn't too special. So I kept my 218 and sold the MS600. I think the DSP7200 can use a better front end and to my ears the 218 with a LPSU made a big difference. The soundstage became more realistic and refined. A difference that can be easily picked up with a blindtest in my system. I have to note that I can't go back to the original PSU, but I used the MS200 SMPS for testing.
I would recommend it.
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Main: DSP8000SE< 218 < Farad Super3 TMCB < PS Audio P10. Room correction: Focus Fidelity.
Second: Fostex Fe206NV2 < Audio innovations 500 valve amp < Wiim Pro +
Study: DSP33 < Reviver < MS200
Server: ROCK + Tidal on NUC, fiber on 2x cisco 2960, HD-Plex LPS.
Gone: DSP7200SEu, DSW, DSP5500mkI & DSP5000mkI, 508.20, 210
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Interesting that you say that. I have long considered a 210 mainly for RAAT compatibility but my dealer suggested that the MS600 was slightly better overall and so I kept my money.
Not really sure what the size of the MS600 has to do with anything though!
Sources: MS600, Fidelity Audio Reference Oppo UHD-203, Roon/QNAP, AppleTV 4K
Processors: Arcam AV40, 271 x2, Lumagen 5348 with Keces P8
Speakers: DSP7200SE FL/FR, DSP5200SE VC, DSP3200 x11, DSP320.2 VOG, DSW x4
Display: JVC DLA-N7 with PK-EM2, Panamorph Phoenix Pro, 128" 2.37 Curved Silver Ticket AT Screen
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It seems to be the consensus that the MS600 is better than the 218 so I expected to keep it for my 7K2's as well. However, I came to a different conclusion. As it is all subjective it might be my perception of course. I am curious in the 210 as well, It might be even better with RAAT. Or what would happen if you would upgrade the PSU of a 210..? On the size: I have not much space for equipment so it matters a bit. MS600 is large and I am always curious what is inside.
Main: DSP8000SE< 218 < Farad Super3 TMCB < PS Audio P10. Room correction: Focus Fidelity.
Second: Fostex Fe206NV2 < Audio innovations 500 valve amp < Wiim Pro +
Study: DSP33 < Reviver < MS200
Server: ROCK + Tidal on NUC, fiber on 2x cisco 2960, HD-Plex LPS.
Gone: DSP7200SEu, DSW, DSP5500mkI & DSP5000mkI, 508.20, 210
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MS600 is large and I am always curious what is inside. It’s just a box with lots of empty space.
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The 861v2 I had was much like that. Space as far as the eye could see, almost. I wonder how much that is true for the current stuff as well especially if you ignore the LPSU side of things. My old HD621 and 271s are certainly very light and the size of the 218/210 makes me wonder if it isn't technology that has enabled them to be that small but if things were always that small but with bigger cases.
Not that it is particularly important I suppose in the grand scheme of things as it is the sound that matters. Could be interesting to see what a 210 with a LSPU in a MS600 type case would sound like cost wise though.
Sources: MS600, Fidelity Audio Reference Oppo UHD-203, Roon/QNAP, AppleTV 4K
Processors: Arcam AV40, 271 x2, Lumagen 5348 with Keces P8
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Hello 210/218 users
I also replaced the power supply in the 218 with an external one,
(Farad Super 3)
the sound experience I have now is incredible.
A much nicer soundstage.
Read brighter and tighter sound.
I heartily recommend this to any 210/218 user.
The power module that comes as standard is the most minimal thing there is, € 1. I think purchasing, but it works and Meridian also has to keep an eye on their margin .....
Meridian DSP 7200SE + Gaia 2
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^ interesting... have you tried it on a 210?
Is much modification needed to a 210, and is it reversible?
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Can one Farad Super 3 be used for two 218's?\
Pieter
living: 218, 2x DSP5200SE, 1x DSP3300
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Yes, it can. But best performance probably with a single one. I have shared one over a 218 and a switch. I thought it sounded better when it was just on the 218, but the difference was marginal and it could have been in my head. Nice to see someone else has done this upgrade too! It is a cheap way to transform the performance of a 218.
Regards,
Main: DSP8000SE< 218 < Farad Super3 TMCB < PS Audio P10. Room correction: Focus Fidelity.
Second: Fostex Fe206NV2 < Audio innovations 500 valve amp < Wiim Pro +
Study: DSP33 < Reviver < MS200
Server: ROCK + Tidal on NUC, fiber on 2x cisco 2960, HD-Plex LPS.
Gone: DSP7200SEu, DSW, DSP5500mkI & DSP5000mkI, 508.20, 210
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^ interesting... have you tried it on a 210?
Is much modification needed to a 210, and is it reversible? It seems to me that both devices are the same. So, yes.
Meridian DSP 7200SE + Gaia 2
Meridian 218 + Farad 3 TMCB + Roon + Tidal
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With a G series LPS,it's just simply plug and play. Is that the Meridian official LPSU? What did you pay for it?
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As you can read above the brand is Farad.
If you look on their site see the price including the price of the cables.
Meridian DSP 7200SE + Gaia 2
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As you can read above the brand is Farad.
If you look on their site see the price including the price of the cables. I meant the one Albert responded with, which I quoted in my response, used in the HD621.
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As you can read above the brand is Farad.
If you look on their site see the price including the price of the cables. I meant the one Albert responded with, which I quoted in my response, used in the HD621. Okay clear! Farad makes several types of lpsu. so maybe ......😏
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This could be really interesting- using one of these Farad external units for the HD621.
Theater: 861v4_LPS, 818v3, HD621, Oppo 203, Lumagen Pro, DSP8000SE, DSP5500C, SW1600x2, DSP5500, Epson 6040UB, PS4
Living room: 861v4_LPS, HD621, DSP8000SE, DSP5200C, Oppo 203, Lumagen 2143, 818v3, Sooloos/MC600 Bluesound Node
Bedroom: M80
office: G68D, DSP6000
Garage: DSP5000
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Interesting, I read the FAQ about the 218 where it was stated it had a linear PSU. Is this incorrect for all revisions of 218? Then we have something Meridian needs to clarify where this come from... From the Meridian Support/FAQ - 218 Zone Controller8. How is the 218 powered?
The unit features a high-quality linear PSU and is powered via a “clover-leaf” mains lead (supplied with the product). I'm interested in how to fit an external DC socket easily for the 210, 218 and the UHD722 / HD621. I recently did this procedure with some help for my fiber-router (Mikrotik CCR2004-1G-12S+2XS) which I power from HDPLEX with 2*12V/5A specified. For the router I used a 2,1mm/5,5mm DC socket, 8mm drill for chassis. A 4 pin 12V ATX cable which was soldered to the DC socket. Very simple. Can we do something similar with the 210 / 218 / HD621 / UHD722?
DSP8000SE, DSP7200SEHC, DSP5200SE sides, DSP7200SE rears, 861v8, 210, Sim2 Ultranero 4, Stewart Cinecurve 2.35:1, XEIT CM-5E Anamorphic lens, Dune HD Duo Cinema 8K and Wireworld Platinum 48G HDMI -> UHD722 -> Shunyata Omega Ethernet. Shunyata/Furutech power-cables/filters. SR Master Fuse@861v8. Uptone Etherregen with 10MHz OCXO clock.
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Hi Crion,
I don't think the 218 ever had a linear power supply, it simply would not fit. What is has is a cosel TUHS5F12 SMPS. It cost about 15euro and does the job power efficiently. I think the circuits are advanced and changing the power supply gives the performance a giant step.
Remarkable that M mentioned a linear power supply. Even more that there is no upgrade path for it, would have been really easy and they could have sold PSU's. Maybe they were worried about the sales of 818v3? Which is probably even better.
On the installation of the socket; the space that comes free from removing the AC socket can be covered with a small plate on both sides, clamping it with small bolts an holding the 2.1 DC socket. I haven never seen a 210 from the inside, but it probably has a similar PSU.
Regards
Main: DSP8000SE< 218 < Farad Super3 TMCB < PS Audio P10. Room correction: Focus Fidelity.
Second: Fostex Fe206NV2 < Audio innovations 500 valve amp < Wiim Pro +
Study: DSP33 < Reviver < MS200
Server: ROCK + Tidal on NUC, fiber on 2x cisco 2960, HD-Plex LPS.
Gone: DSP7200SEu, DSW, DSP5500mkI & DSP5000mkI, 508.20, 210
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Mimesis, your mod looks very professional. Would it be any trouble to supply a parts list from an online source? That cover plate, DC jack and screws looks perfect.
DSP8000SE, DSP7200SEHC, DSP5200SE sides, DSP7200SE rears, 861v8, 210, Sim2 Ultranero 4, Stewart Cinecurve 2.35:1, XEIT CM-5E Anamorphic lens, Dune HD Duo Cinema 8K and Wireworld Platinum 48G HDMI -> UHD722 -> Shunyata Omega Ethernet. Shunyata/Furutech power-cables/filters. SR Master Fuse@861v8. Uptone Etherregen with 10MHz OCXO clock.
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Last edited by Carl; 2020-11-14 13:58. Reason: IMG Tags added
Main: DSP8000SE< 218 < Farad Super3 TMCB < PS Audio P10. Room correction: Focus Fidelity.
Second: Fostex Fe206NV2 < Audio innovations 500 valve amp < Wiim Pro +
Study: DSP33 < Reviver < MS200
Server: ROCK + Tidal on NUC, fiber on 2x cisco 2960, HD-Plex LPS.
Gone: DSP7200SEu, DSW, DSP5500mkI & DSP5000mkI, 508.20, 210
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Thank you for the pictures. Makes it easier to plan this.
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So the same upgrade is possible for a 210, with potentially even better results. Curious... why could the results be even better on a 210?
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@Stevo: I have red on this forum that some people find the 210 better than the 218. I have not compared the two in detail but I was impressed with the performance of the 210. I was speculating that the level of performance may even be better after the upgrade relative to the 218. Maybe it could be better because it is RAAT? Hope somebody upgrades the PSU of the 210 and comes back with the results.
Regards,
Main: DSP8000SE< 218 < Farad Super3 TMCB < PS Audio P10. Room correction: Focus Fidelity.
Second: Fostex Fe206NV2 < Audio innovations 500 valve amp < Wiim Pro +
Study: DSP33 < Reviver < MS200
Server: ROCK + Tidal on NUC, fiber on 2x cisco 2960, HD-Plex LPS.
Gone: DSP7200SEu, DSW, DSP5500mkI & DSP5000mkI, 508.20, 210
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The 210 does not upsample so I feed mine into the 218 as a pre amp. Then I get upsamples and MQA along with being Roon ready.
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@Stevo:Hope somebody upgrades the PSU of the 210 and comes back with the results. Me too! 🙂
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It's not a good idea to lay electronic boards on a carpet.
Some carpets generate high electrostatic charges that can and do destroy electronic devices.
Look under wiki how to avoid electrostatic charges and use the recommended tools.
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You are right Robert, this was just for removing the cover, no further work done.
Main: DSP8000SE< 218 < Farad Super3 TMCB < PS Audio P10. Room correction: Focus Fidelity.
Second: Fostex Fe206NV2 < Audio innovations 500 valve amp < Wiim Pro +
Study: DSP33 < Reviver < MS200
Server: ROCK + Tidal on NUC, fiber on 2x cisco 2960, HD-Plex LPS.
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Alright, got a picture up in the gallery, 210 DC-jack mod complete. Very simple once you find a nice coverplate for it. As for PSU I'm evaluating the brand new SMPS IFI iPower Elite. It's very good, probably the best SMPS I've ever heard. The 210 character is the same but more nuance, smoothness, quietness and impact is equally there. Ofcourse it would be nice to benchmark the Farad Super3 as well but I would probably want to max-spec it and then it costs 3 times as much as the iPower Elite. ![[Linked Image from elitediffusion.com]](https://www.elitediffusion.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/850x/040ec09b1e35df139433887a97daa66f/i/p/ipower-elite-teardown_v0.05.jpg)
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DSP8000SE, DSP7200SEHC, DSP5200SE sides, DSP7200SE rears, 861v8, 210, Sim2 Ultranero 4, Stewart Cinecurve 2.35:1, XEIT CM-5E Anamorphic lens, Dune HD Duo Cinema 8K and Wireworld Platinum 48G HDMI -> UHD722 -> Shunyata Omega Ethernet. Shunyata/Furutech power-cables/filters. SR Master Fuse@861v8. Uptone Etherregen with 10MHz OCXO clock.
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SMPS power supplies, when well designed, are superior to linear supplies in most respects and so are desirable. However, their Achilles heel is reliability. The one you have chosen seems to have been very thoughtfully put together with components that address key reliability points (I note especially the output capacitors). A good choice. We could do with a review in 5 or 10 years time!
Cinema/Music: Trinnov Altitude32 8-16,218,Cloud 4 channel, Marantz UD5007,DSP5200SE(2+C),DSP3300(4),DSW(2),271,MShort Ceilings,AppleTV 4K
TV: Marantz SR7013 Wharfedale Diamond 9x4+Celestion(C)
Music: Roon,i7NUC8gen,QNAP TS253A, Sony Scala, MS200, Garrard DDQ650,Wharfedale Diamond 12.3
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Hi Crion,
Great to see you have ventured to do this upgrade! Although I have no real knowledge to judge the iFi, it looks good. Have you had the chance to compare it to your 861v8 on your 8KSE's? I stay curious whether a 218 with Farad would be outperformed by something like a 818v3/861v8.
I can recommend the Farad super3 also in basic version. I have the stage 2 cable and the SR fuse now, but these are very small improvements that I would not put my hand in fire to pick up in a blind test. The PSU itself is the real improvement, it doesn't have to maxed out, although the upgrade urge at least can go somewhere.
On one hand it is strange to fiddle with Meridian, as it designed to sound great without tweaking. But I think it can pay off and it is fun too.
Main: DSP8000SE< 218 < Farad Super3 TMCB < PS Audio P10. Room correction: Focus Fidelity.
Second: Fostex Fe206NV2 < Audio innovations 500 valve amp < Wiim Pro +
Study: DSP33 < Reviver < MS200
Server: ROCK + Tidal on NUC, fiber on 2x cisco 2960, HD-Plex LPS.
Gone: DSP7200SEu, DSW, DSP5500mkI & DSP5000mkI, 508.20, 210
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Has done an extended listening comparison yet to see how big any potential gains might be from these mods?
HC: 861v4/ID40/LPS, DSP5000, DSP5000VC, DSP3100, SW1600, HD621, Oppo BDP-105, Sony VPL-HW55ES
2-Channel: TEAC VRDS-7/Trichord Clock 3/PSU, Avondale S100, Harbeth Compact 7ES-3
Previous Meridian: 5000C, 5200, 7200.2, 6000, 562V.2, 568.2mm, 800v4, 808.2i, 818v2/v3, 861v8, 551, 502
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1 Week now into the DC-jack mod with Meridian 210 and the IFI ipower Elite external SMPS.
This is such a wonderful sonic upgrade, the Meridian SQ is just enhanced, no character is changed but increasing the transparency, resolution and power. The distorsion/ripple is just amazingly low. So you hear more and any distorsion is lowered over the WHOLE frequency spectrum.
DSP8000SE, DSP7200SEHC, DSP5200SE sides, DSP7200SE rears, 861v8, 210, Sim2 Ultranero 4, Stewart Cinecurve 2.35:1, XEIT CM-5E Anamorphic lens, Dune HD Duo Cinema 8K and Wireworld Platinum 48G HDMI -> UHD722 -> Shunyata Omega Ethernet. Shunyata/Furutech power-cables/filters. SR Master Fuse@861v8. Uptone Etherregen with 10MHz OCXO clock.
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Yes it is a remarkable improvement isn't. I think now 4 people did the upgrade on this forum.
IF you have compared the 210 with iFi to your 861v8, I'd be happy to hear the results.
Main: DSP8000SE< 218 < Farad Super3 TMCB < PS Audio P10. Room correction: Focus Fidelity.
Second: Fostex Fe206NV2 < Audio innovations 500 valve amp < Wiim Pro +
Study: DSP33 < Reviver < MS200
Server: ROCK + Tidal on NUC, fiber on 2x cisco 2960, HD-Plex LPS.
Gone: DSP7200SEu, DSW, DSP5500mkI & DSP5000mkI, 508.20, 210
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I haven't recently no, I did some testing of the Roon/210/861v8 vs MC200/ID41/861v8 initially when I did the switch to Roon. I didn't find it a major gap, I thought they were equally good. And I made sure of it since then by tweaking the NAS and the network with vibration control, better network equipment and grounding, cables etc. And yes, the 210 unpacks the MQA tracks and they sound great in Trifield  Edit: I think I misunderstood your question. But also I have a multichannel setup and listen to Trifield via 210/861v8 and 7.1 via ATV4K/UHD722/861v8 mostly so putting the 210 directly to the DSP8000SE's is not in my book. Although I wouldn't say no to an MQA stream aware update to the 861v8!
DSP8000SE, DSP7200SEHC, DSP5200SE sides, DSP7200SE rears, 861v8, 210, Sim2 Ultranero 4, Stewart Cinecurve 2.35:1, XEIT CM-5E Anamorphic lens, Dune HD Duo Cinema 8K and Wireworld Platinum 48G HDMI -> UHD722 -> Shunyata Omega Ethernet. Shunyata/Furutech power-cables/filters. SR Master Fuse@861v8. Uptone Etherregen with 10MHz OCXO clock.
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1 Week now into the DC-jack mod with Meridian 210 and the IFI ipower Elite external SMPS.
This is such a wonderful sonic upgrade, the Meridian SQ is just enhanced, no character is changed but increasing the transparency, resolution and power. The distorsion/ripple is just amazingly low. So you hear more and any distorsion is lowered over the WHOLE frequency spectrum. This puts the 210 on my radar for any future second system. Seems a bit mad that Meridian didn't release a non-installation version with a better looking box and either a better built-in, or provision for an external, PSU. Their product lineup is screaming for a product between the price of the 218/210 and the 800 series which still looks great on a shelf and sounds fantastic...
HC: 861v4/ID40/LPS, DSP5000, DSP5000VC, DSP3100, SW1600, HD621, Oppo BDP-105, Sony VPL-HW55ES
2-Channel: TEAC VRDS-7/Trichord Clock 3/PSU, Avondale S100, Harbeth Compact 7ES-3
Previous Meridian: 5000C, 5200, 7200.2, 6000, 562V.2, 568.2mm, 800v4, 808.2i, 818v2/v3, 861v8, 551, 502
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I agree with your sentiments, but sadly Allen Boothroyd is no longer with us and Richard Hollinshead's and Rhonda Wilson's influences are elsewhere, so I fear we would wait in vain. It seems that audiophiles with a willingness to pay premium prices for outstanding products are no longer part of Meridian's target market.
Cinema/Music: Trinnov Altitude32 8-16,218,Cloud 4 channel, Marantz UD5007,DSP5200SE(2+C),DSP3300(4),DSW(2),271,MShort Ceilings,AppleTV 4K
TV: Marantz SR7013 Wharfedale Diamond 9x4+Celestion(C)
Music: Roon,i7NUC8gen,QNAP TS253A, Sony Scala, MS200, Garrard DDQ650,Wharfedale Diamond 12.3
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Alright, got a picture up in the gallery, 210 DC-jack mod complete. Very simple once you find a nice coverplate for it. Quite interested in this... to power my 210 from a Prime PSU. Can’t see the pic though - I see the preview but the full image doesn’t load. Am I doing something wrong? S
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I tried uploading the picture to the gallery again, same thing.
404 not found when you click it.
Sorry, can't do anymore from here.
DSP8000SE, DSP7200SEHC, DSP5200SE sides, DSP7200SE rears, 861v8, 210, Sim2 Ultranero 4, Stewart Cinecurve 2.35:1, XEIT CM-5E Anamorphic lens, Dune HD Duo Cinema 8K and Wireworld Platinum 48G HDMI -> UHD722 -> Shunyata Omega Ethernet. Shunyata/Furutech power-cables/filters. SR Master Fuse@861v8. Uptone Etherregen with 10MHz OCXO clock.
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No worries thanks for trying.
Is the mod difficult?
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I agree with your sentiments, but sadly Allen Boothroyd is no longer with us and Richard Hollinshead's and Rhonda Wilson's influences are elsewhere, so I fear we would wait in vain. It seems that audiophiles with a willingness to pay premium prices for outstanding products are no longer part of Meridian's target market. Don't want to take this thread O/T, but surely Meridian are capable of hiring other designers, and they still sell DSPs and endpoints the price of most people's cars. It's the middle ground between these and the custom install gear which seems to be MIA.
HC: 861v4/ID40/LPS, DSP5000, DSP5000VC, DSP3100, SW1600, HD621, Oppo BDP-105, Sony VPL-HW55ES
2-Channel: TEAC VRDS-7/Trichord Clock 3/PSU, Avondale S100, Harbeth Compact 7ES-3
Previous Meridian: 5000C, 5200, 7200.2, 6000, 562V.2, 568.2mm, 800v4, 808.2i, 818v2/v3, 861v8, 551, 502
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Not difficult. As I said, the hardest thing is to find a good sheet metal cover plate to where the IEC C5 was located. I had a DC cover plate from a HDPLEX acessories box so I borrowed that one. I had this mod performed for me, but I wanted it done professionally. I had taken on me to find the cover plate though.
DSP8000SE, DSP7200SEHC, DSP5200SE sides, DSP7200SE rears, 861v8, 210, Sim2 Ultranero 4, Stewart Cinecurve 2.35:1, XEIT CM-5E Anamorphic lens, Dune HD Duo Cinema 8K and Wireworld Platinum 48G HDMI -> UHD722 -> Shunyata Omega Ethernet. Shunyata/Furutech power-cables/filters. SR Master Fuse@861v8. Uptone Etherregen with 10MHz OCXO clock.
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Hmm this SMPS psu (iFi ipower Elite) might actually be a bit better than I initially thought. It has been steadily improving in the bass and soundstage width, height and depth since the 1 week mark. My original plan was to benchmark it against a HDplex 100 when it plateaued. But now I’m not even sure it will be a fair fight..
DSP8000SE, DSP7200SEHC, DSP5200SE sides, DSP7200SE rears, 861v8, 210, Sim2 Ultranero 4, Stewart Cinecurve 2.35:1, XEIT CM-5E Anamorphic lens, Dune HD Duo Cinema 8K and Wireworld Platinum 48G HDMI -> UHD722 -> Shunyata Omega Ethernet. Shunyata/Furutech power-cables/filters. SR Master Fuse@861v8. Uptone Etherregen with 10MHz OCXO clock.
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Plugged in an early version of HDPLEX 100 (160W?) which I had in storage to the 210.
At first it was a bit sluggish like slowly waking up. The PSU is literally cold to the touch so the 210 with wifi disabled is very efficient.
After a while though the soundstage was slowly expanding and perhaps a bit wider. Now what is different from the elite is that elite is like an elite gymnast doing everything ”perfect” but the hdplex has a richer tone that I enjoy. It’s not as exact or have super-low noisefloor like the elite. You might say the hdplex 100 sounds abit busy in comparison.
So my solution is to order the Farad Super3 fully specced out with silver dc2 cable. Hopefully this will be the holy grail, SNR of the elite plus a richer tone of the hdplex. 😊
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Specifications for DC-cover plate for use with Meridian 218/210:
Dc cover plate 1:
40mm x 20mm
10mm hole in center (for 2,1/5,5mm dc-jack ofcourse depending on the width of the DC-jack you have on hand) and cc 30mm for the chassiscrews(3mm holes).
20cm wire for connection to the 210/218 motherboard.
Dc cover plate 2: (For custom GX16-4 connector if ordering directly from Farad Powersupplies for the ultimate electrical connection)
40mm x 20mm
GX16-4 in center and cc 30mm for the chassiscrews(3mm holes).
20cm wire for connection to the 210/218 motherboard.
DSP8000SE, DSP7200SEHC, DSP5200SE sides, DSP7200SE rears, 861v8, 210, Sim2 Ultranero 4, Stewart Cinecurve 2.35:1, XEIT CM-5E Anamorphic lens, Dune HD Duo Cinema 8K and Wireworld Platinum 48G HDMI -> UHD722 -> Shunyata Omega Ethernet. Shunyata/Furutech power-cables/filters. SR Master Fuse@861v8. Uptone Etherregen with 10MHz OCXO clock.
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I would certainly be interested in something similar for an MS600, has anyone attempted it?
There was a modified MS600 for sale in the classifieds a while back but no details of the PSU were to be had.
Sources: MS600, Fidelity Audio Reference Oppo UHD-203, Roon/QNAP, AppleTV 4K
Processors: Arcam AV40, 271 x2, Lumagen 5348 with Keces P8
Speakers: DSP7200SE FL/FR, DSP5200SE VC, DSP3200 x11, DSP320.2 VOG, DSW x4
Display: JVC DLA-N7 with PK-EM2, Panamorph Phoenix Pro, 128" 2.37 Curved Silver Ticket AT Screen
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Very nice Crion. Curious in your results with the Farad PSU. Your post made me want a GX16-4 on my 218. It is tearing me apart.
Main: DSP8000SE< 218 < Farad Super3 TMCB < PS Audio P10. Room correction: Focus Fidelity.
Second: Fostex Fe206NV2 < Audio innovations 500 valve amp < Wiim Pro +
Study: DSP33 < Reviver < MS200
Server: ROCK + Tidal on NUC, fiber on 2x cisco 2960, HD-Plex LPS.
Gone: DSP7200SEu, DSW, DSP5500mkI & DSP5000mkI, 508.20, 210
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Ok, Farad3 with DC2 silver and GX16-4 modded Meridian 210 with 4 conductors. Will try upload pic to gallery.
Just been playing a couple of hours but already awesome results.
DSP8000SE, DSP7200SEHC, DSP5200SE sides, DSP7200SE rears, 861v8, 210, Sim2 Ultranero 4, Stewart Cinecurve 2.35:1, XEIT CM-5E Anamorphic lens, Dune HD Duo Cinema 8K and Wireworld Platinum 48G HDMI -> UHD722 -> Shunyata Omega Ethernet. Shunyata/Furutech power-cables/filters. SR Master Fuse@861v8. Uptone Etherregen with 10MHz OCXO clock.
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Hello Mimesis and thank you for explaining your experience with the upgraded PSU.
I am wondering if the upgrade would be worthwhile in the following two setups in my home.
1. DSP7200SE and 218 in the lounge
2. M6 and 210 in the kitchen diner
Both are fed via a CAT6 network, using Roon Core on my iMac, and sources an external HDD and Tidal.
Thank you for any opinions from your good self and other HH.
With best wishes,
Matthew
Sitting Room: 7200SE, 218
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Hi Matthew,
I would highly recommend upgrading your 218 feeding the DSP7200SE. The cost is relatively low and the gain is significant. I have a very similar system and the gain of upgrading the PSU to a farad super3 for the 218 was one of the best upgrades I have ever done. Every time I listen now I am impressed of the sound quality. In your system 1 it is maybe to only place where you can upgrade effectively. So I would start with your system 1 and leave system 2 as is.
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Main: DSP8000SE< 218 < Farad Super3 TMCB < PS Audio P10. Room correction: Focus Fidelity.
Second: Fostex Fe206NV2 < Audio innovations 500 valve amp < Wiim Pro +
Study: DSP33 < Reviver < MS200
Server: ROCK + Tidal on NUC, fiber on 2x cisco 2960, HD-Plex LPS.
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Thank you for the advice and I have contacted Farada who propose the following to complete this work for me: "We recommend using a GX16 input connector and GX16 (farad output) to GX16 cables, they are far better than the standardly used 5.5/2.5 barrel connectors. But we also can place a barrel connector of course for more flexibility." I wonder if you have any comments on this proposal as I honestly have no idea what they are talking about (I'm a biochemist!). I have seen a Silver DC2 cable mentioned elsewhere but don't understand how this fits into the modification? Best wishes, Mat
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I have good experience with them, they did the mod for me too. You guys make me feel bad I don't have the GX16 connection! I have the barrel connection at the 218 side. There is different levels of cables from Farad. I did hear a very small difference between their DC cables. But these differences are small relative to the gain of the PSU itself. If you want to get the last drop of performance than go for the fully specced, but the standard option is already a great improvement over the SMPS inside the 218.
Main: DSP8000SE< 218 < Farad Super3 TMCB < PS Audio P10. Room correction: Focus Fidelity.
Second: Fostex Fe206NV2 < Audio innovations 500 valve amp < Wiim Pro +
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Server: ROCK + Tidal on NUC, fiber on 2x cisco 2960, HD-Plex LPS.
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Thanks and I'll report back once completed.
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I have 218 and DSP5200SE. Using Mconnect for Tidal. Would it be worth buying a Farad3?
Where do you buy the bits to mod the 218 socket?
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I have about the same setup, and indeed it is a major upgrade. It is totally worth the money.
So I say, do!
Meridian DSP 7200SE + Gaia 2
Meridian 218 + Farad 3 TMCB + Roon + Tidal
Meridian G98 Meridian MC 200
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I’m intrigued by how many 218 owners are willing to invalidate their warranty by modifying the internal PSU.
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Well most folks aren't modifying the PSU just replacing it. Not that it really matters as the warranty is still valid.
Meridian can only refuse a warranty claim if they can demonstrate that the cause of the claim was due to any modifications or alterations made. If the cause was not due to any modifications or alterations made the warranty is still valid for that claim.
Sources: MS600, Fidelity Audio Reference Oppo UHD-203, Roon/QNAP, AppleTV 4K
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Good luck testing that assumption: changing the PSU is a modification.
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I didn't say it would be easy but it is the law and since it has precedent most certainly isn't an assumption.
Changing the PSU is a modification to the unit but not to the PSU, either way it's a semantic argument and doesn't affect the legal position on the warranty.
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I’m intrigued by how many 218 owners are willing to invalidate their warranty by modifying the internal PSU. It's only an 800 rrp item. Not a 100k super car. In extremely unlikely scenario it brakes and warranty invalid its not that critical. I don't think many people hard up for money are buying Meridian equipment. Warranty is only 2 years anyway?
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I have about the same setup, and indeed it is a major upgrade. It is totally worth the money. So I say, do! I just find it hard to believe. How does it make a 24bit 192KHz MQA track sound better? I'm sure the quality has now surpassed the point a human ear can hear further quality improvements. I would love to do a back to back test.
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Warranty is only 2 years anyway? Once officially registered, all Meridian kit is warrantied for 5 years.
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So other than the power supply how do you mod the 218?
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This is what I have been offered : We recommend using a GX16 input connector and GX16 (farad output) to GX16 cables, they are far better than the standardly used 5.5/2.5 barrel connectors. But we also can place a barrel connector off course for more flexibility Hope that is useful? Mat
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I’m intrigued by how many 218 owners are willing to invalidate their warranty by modifying the internal PSU. Based upon the OP's feedback I'm OK with invalidating the warranty to improve my main system. There's not much more I can do other than this (without moving to 8K) so I think it might be worth it. It is already wonderful but I can't resists a tweak, and as someone said it's low cost compared to the 7200SE. Mat
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I've been looking into having my 218 modified to accept an external power supply (either GX16 connector or round push-in type). I know that Farad in Holland will carry this out and they charge €100 if you buy their PSU. Does anyone know of a UK company that could carry out this modification as it would avoid the hassle and costs associated with European supply owing to Brexit.
I contacted Mr Tech Guy Limited who are the UK Authorised Meridian repair centre (and sell the 218) but they weren't interested.
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I dropped my 218 in at a local (to me) electronics repair company yesterday, they’ll look at it and give me a price to add a GX16-4 connector, I would expect later this week. Like you, I wasn’t keen to have the extra hassle of shipping my 218 out to Farad. I supplied the local company with some relevant info from this forum post as well as some tips from Mattijs. I’ll let you know how they reply.
I had originally ruled out the GX16 connector, because Farad only offered it as a solution on the Level 2 cable, which as you know is pretty expensive. However Mattijs has now agreed to now provide that connector as an option on the cheaper cable.
I quite liked the solution adopted by Mattijs, which unlike Milmesis’s, did not involve attaching a small external plate at the rear of the 218. Instead the original rectangular aperture is left open and a small pcb cut-off used inside the 218 to blank off the hole. Because the GX16 connector is bigger than the more normal jack barrel, a bigger portion of the hole is blocked off anyway by the connector itself. The connector I think will be rigidly secured, thanks to the connector rim on the outside and the locking nut inside.
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Many thanks - let me know how you get on? What you propose makes sense, I like the idea of using the GX16-4 with the lower price Level1 cable option. Your local repair company might well be a good option for me.......
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You guys make me envy your GX connectors. I guess I was the test case and Mathijs later realized the GX would be possible too.
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I've been looking into having my 218 modified to accept an external power supply (either GX16 connector or round push-in type). I know that Farad in Holland will carry this out and they charge €100 if you buy their PSU. Does anyone know of a UK company that could carry out this modification as it would avoid the hassle and costs associated with European supply owing to Brexit.
I contacted Mr Tech Guy Limited who are the UK Authorised Meridian repair centre (and sell the 218) but they weren't interested.
thanks You could also try Sean Jacobs at Custom HiFi Cables. He has done similar work on the Chord Dave. But he offers state-of-the-art specifications, sophisticated circuits and prices to match. He has a very high reputation and also designs for Innuos. See the reviews of the Innuos Statement for more information.
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I just had a quick look at the site again (If I recall I looked at them a while ago when looking for an ATX LPSU) and at those prices I can't see why anyone would choose to modify a 218 and not just buy a better streamer.
By the time you add it all all up you aren't too far off an 818 but with much less hassle.
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I quite liked the solution adopted by Mattijs Mattijs has just done my 210 and I have to say it’s a super-neat job. You’d never know it was modified from looking at it.
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I just had a quick look at the site again (If I recall I looked at them a while ago when looking for an ATX LPSU) and at those prices I can't see why anyone would choose to modify a 218 and not just buy a better streamer.
By the time you add it all all up you aren't too far off an 818 but with much less hassle. I bought a 218 for £450 off eBay, a Farrar Super 3 for £290. What’s an 818 used? What’s a better streamer? Pretty much holds its own. Works from an MSR, in harmony with other Meridian kit, MHR etc. Out of curiosity, what is physically stopping it sounding better than an 818, given a top notch PS? It’s also a smaller, neater than an 818, probably holds its value better, the PSs also hold value and can be used on other kit, upgraded, tinkered with. It’s flexible and fun. Not sure where the hassle comes in, most people enjoy this! I certainly do, it’s been a revelation...
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I just had a quick look at the site again (If I recall I looked at them a while ago when looking for an ATX LPSU) and at those prices I can't see why anyone would choose to modify a 218 and not just buy a better streamer.
By the time you add it all all up you aren't too far off an 818 but with much less hassle. I bought a 218 for £450 off eBay, a Farrar Super 3 for £290. What’s an 818 used? What’s a better streamer? Pretty much holds its own. Works from an MSR, in harmony with other Meridian kit, MHR etc. Out of curiosity, what is physically stopping it sounding better than an 818, given a top notch PS? It’s also a smaller, neater than an 818, probably holds its value better, the PSs also hold value and can be used on other kit, upgraded, tinkered with. It’s flexible and fun. Not sure where the hassle comes in, most people enjoy this! I certainly do, it’s been a revelation... Good for you on the Farad Super 3 but that is not what was mentioned here. These are in a whole other pricing league and I suggest it is much easier to find a used 818 than one of these so comparing a used unit against a brand new mod is a perfectly reasonable thing to do in my opinion. When you do the cost difference doesn't seem that great but everyone has their own appetite as to value. Certainly the Farad and a 218/210 would tempt me but something like the DC3 and definitely the DC4 wouldn't even get a look in I am afraid when there are 818s about. Especially when they also work from an MSR, work in harmony with other Meridian kit and MHR etc, so I am not sure what point you are trying make here. As to the rest of your questions I wasn't attempting to address but a used 818 has probably already lost most of the value it is going to so the holding its value argument is weaker and as for fun some of us prefer just to listen to music rather than tinker, upgrade, swap around and ship things back and forth. Each to is own on the last point though but it sounds like a hassle to me even if not to you.
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Hi Marvin,
An 818v3 is probably fantastic, but I think the current pricing is about GBP 5k second hand. If you find a 818v3 for a Farad super3 + 218 price (<GPB 1200), please let me know first.
The upgrade was no hassle for me and leaves me with a capable and compact streamer. All the Meridian functionality still works, there is no difference in behaviour. Still no idea how if would compare to an 818v3, all I do know is that the PSU upgrade made a difference worth the money for me. On another note, I think it makes a lot of sense to keep the PSU separate of digital devices. Every device needs one, and its task is very different compared to the other circuits. Maybe we will see more separate PSU's in the future that powers several components.
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Main: DSP8000SE< 218 < Farad Super3 TMCB < PS Audio P10. Room correction: Focus Fidelity.
Second: Fostex Fe206NV2 < Audio innovations 500 valve amp < Wiim Pro +
Study: DSP33 < Reviver < MS200
Server: ROCK + Tidal on NUC, fiber on 2x cisco 2960, HD-Plex LPS.
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I think there is a slight impedance mismatch here, which is the difference between what an individual might decide to do given their own priorities vs someone else with a different set of priorities. Given the choice to make my decisions again, I'd still go for the 818 to drive DSP's. That doesn't mean anyone else's priorities are wrong, simply different.
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Well said Jeremy
I agree 818v3 or 808v6 still reign supreme.
A valid lower cost solution is zone MS 600 to AC 200 (for convenience, recently compared to ugly 218) to DSP SE.
Form / appearance factor matters to me, and I cannot accept the proposed necessary discussed PSU mods for the 218 unless they are out of sight.
OK it's not what you see or read with MQA or any associated device you consider, it's what you hear.
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Hi Hector,
I have owned an MS600 and its performance is not near the 218+Farad to my ears. I would still like to own a 818v3, as it is likely to be even better than the 218+LPS. But this is an assumption nobody has been able to confirm yet.
The size of the 818v3 is actually a downside for me, the 218 + Farad are about the same size and can be nicely hidden in small furniture.
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Hi Hector,
A long time since we last spoke! I already have a 218 hidden in a small cupboard behind my 7200SE. I wonder how much is a second hand 818v3 in case I decide to go that route rather than upgrading the P.S. of my 218.
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In response to both Nimesis and Mat
I have 808v6 to 5200 SE in my study (play Auberge, MQA, Chris Rea) to get a sense of realism that can be achieved in a small or medium space.
I have MS600 to AC200 to SE5200 SEUG in my dining room a slightly larger room.
I love both presentations, very very slightly different but wonderful, maybe just room acoustics. Standard 218 was no real improvement for me.
We are into semantics here via tenuous links.
Hope this helps.
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Dear ppl,
Thanks for information provided in this thread. I am considering upgrading my 218 too with the Farad Super3 power supply and was wondering what “options” ppl choose for their sample.
I am considering fitting the 218 with an GX16-4 connector and get a Level 2 cable, but I am wondering whether or not I should invest in a fuse upgrade and/or the AC inlet upgrade for the Farad Super3.
Did any of you order your Farad with a different fuse and/or AC inlet?
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Hi Edwin,
I have upgraded the fuse and I think I could hear a very small difference. Not sure I would pass a blind test. I bought the simple version first and later upgraded to the stage 2 cable and did the fuse. Worth it? Maybe. The PSU itself is the catch I think. Maar als het hek eenmaal van de dam is..
Main: DSP8000SE< 218 < Farad Super3 TMCB < PS Audio P10. Room correction: Focus Fidelity.
Second: Fostex Fe206NV2 < Audio innovations 500 valve amp < Wiim Pro +
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I was pretty surprised by the difference the Orange SR fuse made in my 818, so always spec these now (I had tried SR's previous fuses in the 818, but couldn't hear a difference). I ordered my Farad with the fuse and AC upgrades as I know how good the fuses are, but don't know what it would have sounded like without.
One downside of these fuses is that around 10% of the ones I've bought failed as soon as they were plugged in and ordering them at the same time should eliminate this issue (as well as having to dismantle the PSU to insert it).
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Dear ppl,
Thanks for information provided in this thread. I am considering upgrading my 218 too with the Farad Super3 power supply and was wondering what “options” ppl choose for their sample.
I am considering fitting the 218 with an GX16-4 connector and get a Level 2 cable, but I am wondering whether or not I should invest in a fuse upgrade and/or the AC inlet upgrade for the Farad Super3.
Did any of you order your Farad with a different fuse and/or AC inlet?
Edwin I have Level 2 cable with GX16-4 connector. At the time I don't think that connector was available on the standard cable. I left the AC alone. Mine's powering a 210. Very good indeed! S
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I am running two 218's on one Farad Super 3 with a level 1 Y-cable with GX16-4 connectors.
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Hi Jeremy,
I have placed SR-orange fuses in my DSP's and I did notice a small improvement. I do not understand how this is possible and it might be in my head. But I have tried swapping back and I did notice it. Of course we are talking subtle differences. Might be worth to check in your maximized system.
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Main: DSP8000SE< 218 < Farad Super3 TMCB < PS Audio P10. Room correction: Focus Fidelity.
Second: Fostex Fe206NV2 < Audio innovations 500 valve amp < Wiim Pro +
Study: DSP33 < Reviver < MS200
Server: ROCK + Tidal on NUC, fiber on 2x cisco 2960, HD-Plex LPS.
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Agreed, I now have Orange fuses throughout my system (including all four in the Stax headphone amp!). The DSP's didn't respond as much as the 818, but they still made a difference. I didn't notice the difference with the Blue fuses.
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they’ll look at it and give me a price to add a GX16-4 connector, I would expect later this week Hey TartanB - I'm not too far from Berkshire - I was wondering what the quote you got was, and if you were happy with the work/upgrade? Which company did you use? Thanks!
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Boru80, upgrade to 218 was performed by ASAPCOMPUTERS in Pangbourne, they charged me a very reasonable £66 (I dropped it off and picked it up, so no postage was involved) - neat job.
General point on whether the upgrade is worthwhile, you may be interested in my thoughts.
Firstly as a general rule I’m always suspicious when people rave about the ‘noticeable’ benefits that they have seen when they’ve upgraded something, particularly with cables etc. This particular upgrade wasn’t a huge mount of money for the power supply, the positive comments on this forum made it a ‘no brainer’, so I thought I’d give it a go. With hindsight I perhaps chose to do the upgrade because new products from Meridian aren’t likely to be forthcoming in the future and my current M setup is pretty near the top of the tree anyway.
With the Farad upgrade performed on just one of my three 218’s, I was then in a position to perform a ‘real’ comparison between the upgraded 218 and the non upgraded 218 (playing through my 7200 SE’s) - but I couldn’t hear ANY improvement/difference at all.
So to make the comparison more meaningful, I introduced a simple Ethernet A/B switch into the equation.This allowed me to switch back and forward between the 2 218’s quickly, listening to the same (in sync) music source. The delay as I switched backwards and forwards was minimal, perhaps 20 milliseconds maximum. This made it VERY easy to decide which 218 was performing best - and sure enough, to my ears at any rate, I could hear NO difference whatsoever!
Bear in mind that if you purchase the Farad you will most likely have to pay import duty to the courier a week or so after delivery. Fedex charged me £101 for that duty, so all in all it cost me about £650.
If you do decide to go ahead with the upgrade, I’d question whether it made sense to purchase the GX16 connector option, as i myself did. Mattijs had persuaded me that this would deliver the best possible result, but given that I can hear no difference anyway, it’s got to be questionable whether that option was sensible. (especially as if the Farad were to fail in the future, I’d have a non usable 218, not the case if I had stuck with the standard power connector).
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I would say that, outside of Meridian, the Farad gets my vote.
I bought one for my Chord TT2 and it was a great improvement. I've read others since say that they believe the Farad is on a par with the Paul Hynes PSU's, so if you have something that could use a better power supply, Farad is certainly worth considering. I'd be inclined to agree that I would be nervous modifying anything to do this, though, and would likely stick to the standard connectors.
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Thanks TartanB for the info...very helpful! That is a reasonable price indeed. Also interesting that you noticed no discernible difference - certainly appears contrary to the general view - but the only ears and opinion that count are your own!
Farad don't appear to do a connector that is compatible with the 218, so I'm not sure it is possible to upgrade the PSU without swapping out the connector (unless I have that wrong?). To be able to test/audition the Farad before tweaking the connector would obviously be the ideal scenario...
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When you buy the Farad, the basic price is inclusive of a cable with a normal barrel 12V connector. Had I chosen that standard package, if the Farad failed a couple of years down the line I could just have purchased and used a cheap as chips 12V transformer to get up and running again. Rightly or wrongly I opted to pay the 59 euros for the GX16 connector, which I will admit gives a better physical connection to the 218 than one of the normal wishy washy 12v barrel connectors. So that’s a plus. But, as I stated, if the Farad were to fail then you’re left with no easy way forward - that’s the minus.
By the way I wasn’t doubting members here who upgraded their 218 and commented “ a much nicer soundstage”, “brighter and tighter sound”, “ the Meridian SQ is just enhanced, no character is changed but increasing the transparency, resolution and power”, “The distorsion/ripple is just amazingly low.”.
I just felt that they (probably?) had a single 218, upgraded it and genuinely believed that it improved the sound quality etc, going purely by memory of what their un-modified 218 originally sounded like? Alternately (and very likely), my ears aren’t what they used to be, a huge difference in sound quality was indeed present, but I didn’t realise.
My side by side test, particularly with the A/B switch box taking the SL feeds from the two different 218 unis and directing the selected one to my master speaker, was (I believe) a more objective test. IMHO the more likely improvement comes from the fact that the Farad Super 3 is without doubt a top class physical unit and over time may well outlast the integrated (relatively low cost?) transformer used by Meridian
If you do live relatively near to Pangbourne, you’d be welcome to come and borrow my modified 218 and PSU to take it away and evaluate it for a day. Just PM me.
Rm1: 861v8, 2xDSP7200SE, DSP5200HCSEU, 2xDSP5200, 2xDSP33, MC200, 218, 271, NAD M17, Panasonic DP-UB9000 Blu-ray,
Sony VPL-VW790ES projector
Rm2: 561, 3x DSP5000 (18 bit)
Rm3: 218+Farad PS, 2x SE7200SE
Rm4: 218, 2x DSP5200.2
Spares: G61RSL, 3x DSP5000, 2 x DSP33
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Understood re: the barrel connector now! And yes, I wouldn't wish to doubt members opinions here either, but I can see that your A/B test is certainly preferable to comparing to memory.
Many thanks also for your generous evaluation offer - I used to live in Ascot, but now live in West London - so whilst Pangbourne isn't a million miles away I certainly wouldn't want to put you out! But thanks very much anyway...!
DSP5200, ifi Zen Stream, 218, Tidal Connect
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Hi TartanB,
I enjoyed reading your fresh opinion and I am generally suspicious as well when it comes to upgrades. I have often tried things that I could not hear (powercords for instance). To be honest, I really struggle to hear the impact of the axis setting of my DSP as well, but lets not stray off topic. Sometimes you are surprised and things do make a difference. Somehow I feel a bit responsible for indirectly convincing you to upgrade the PSU for the 218. So to check whether the improved perceived sound quality I wrote about could be repeated, I did the same test again. I listened to a song on my system trough my 218 and Farad and then the same songs on the same system but the 218 then powered by a SMPS. Note I can't bring back the original SMPS, so I used the original PSU of the MS200. I have also asked my wife which sound was preferred. She has no idea about which box does what so she can only judge what she hears without bias.
I may have exaggerated a bit, "huge improvements" should be interpreted in the context of small gain in audio at this level. That being said, I come to the same conclusion; the Farad improves the performance of my 218 substantially. The sound become more 3D and more real. Maybe take out the direct switch and evaluate the 218 song by song? I hope you find a difference and otherwise you have saved yourself some money. I think a Farad is easy to sell. Maybe a 818v3 is what you need😊.
Thanks for the honest feedback, I appreciate it.
Regards,
D
Main: DSP8000SE< 218 < Farad Super3 TMCB < PS Audio P10. Room correction: Focus Fidelity.
Second: Fostex Fe206NV2 < Audio innovations 500 valve amp < Wiim Pro +
Study: DSP33 < Reviver < MS200
Server: ROCK + Tidal on NUC, fiber on 2x cisco 2960, HD-Plex LPS.
Gone: DSP7200SEu, DSW, DSP5500mkI & DSP5000mkI, 508.20, 210
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Hey guys, I opened up my 218 in preparation for converting to a linear power supply this weekend, and had a few questions. Seems like it should be a simple task, but my soldering skills aren't the best and I couldn't even get the old power supply removed. I think I'll be taking it to a professional to have it done. First just an observation, it looks like my switched power supply looks different from the original posting, looks like my board is a v6 and the original post had a v5: ![[Linked Image]](https://www.meridianunplugged.com/ubbthreads/gallery/16/full/3914.jpg) Second pic I have a question on, it looks like there's a small square component on the bottom of the board that's connected to the voltage +/- pins, I believe it's a capacitor. If I do this upgrade myself, do I keep that component? ![[Linked Image]](https://www.meridianunplugged.com/ubbthreads/gallery/16/full/3915.jpg) Thanks! Chris
#1: 861v4 | HD621| 218 | DSP8000SEUP | DSP7200.2HC | DSP5200 | SW1600
#2: AC200 | DSP3200 | DSW
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I didn't dare to do it myself either. But the professional who did made it look very easy and was done quick. It looks a bit different, but I think the black block named cosel is the SMPS. I think you need heat up the legs of the block protruding to the print just enough you can pull it off. Then connect a new wire in the holes to a new connector. If you search the spec of the Cosel you can look up what is plus and min. Be carefull not to brick it..
Main: DSP8000SE< 218 < Farad Super3 TMCB < PS Audio P10. Room correction: Focus Fidelity.
Second: Fostex Fe206NV2 < Audio innovations 500 valve amp < Wiim Pro +
Study: DSP33 < Reviver < MS200
Server: ROCK + Tidal on NUC, fiber on 2x cisco 2960, HD-Plex LPS.
Gone: DSP7200SEu, DSW, DSP5500mkI & DSP5000mkI, 508.20, 210
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I should have clarified: I think mine was not soldered, but yours does look soldered. I think it is a TUHS5F12, see page 4 of this: https://en.cosel.co.jp/tool/tag/pdf/SFE_TUHS.pdf
Main: DSP8000SE< 218 < Farad Super3 TMCB < PS Audio P10. Room correction: Focus Fidelity.
Second: Fostex Fe206NV2 < Audio innovations 500 valve amp < Wiim Pro +
Study: DSP33 < Reviver < MS200
Server: ROCK + Tidal on NUC, fiber on 2x cisco 2960, HD-Plex LPS.
Gone: DSP7200SEu, DSW, DSP5500mkI & DSP5000mkI, 508.20, 210
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Yup, that's the one. On my 218 that piece is mounted onto a smaller circuit board which is then mounted onto the bottom board with some risers.
#1: 861v4 | HD621| 218 | DSP8000SEUP | DSP7200.2HC | DSP5200 | SW1600
#2: AC200 | DSP3200 | DSW
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Just to Bump an Old thread but good thread. Just finished the LPS conversion on my 218... Sounds Much better with the 5200SE/DSW combo. Everything is a little more detailed, there was a high end harshness sometimes ~ that's all gone. This was a very worthwhile upgrade/mod; thanks Mimesis for your OG post, this was good fun with a great outcome!
Last edited by MVirgil; 2025-11-22 18:53.
808v6, 818.3, G65, G61RSL, G91DH, G08, G98DH, 500v3, 504, 218-LPS, 218, 210, MS200
5200SE, 5200HSE, DSP5200 (nonSL~fully rebuilt), DSP3300x2, DSW.2
HD621, Pair of Revivers, AC12
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Agreed! Out of curiosity, has anyone used a high quality LPS on an AC200 and noticed any difference?
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Very nice to hear you have done the upgrade too. Now I see you have an 818v3 as well. We are all curious how an 218 with upgraded LPSU would fair against the majestic 818v3. If you ever have the time to compare, I am keen to hear the results. Of course just compare the performance over speakerlink into DSP speakers. The analogue outputs of the 818v3 will certainly be much better than the 218. Thanks!
Regards,
D
Main: DSP8000SE< 218 < Farad Super3 TMCB < PS Audio P10. Room correction: Focus Fidelity.
Second: Fostex Fe206NV2 < Audio innovations 500 valve amp < Wiim Pro +
Study: DSP33 < Reviver < MS200
Server: ROCK + Tidal on NUC, fiber on 2x cisco 2960, HD-Plex LPS.
Gone: DSP7200SEu, DSW, DSP5500mkI & DSP5000mkI, 508.20, 210
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Subjectively the 818v3 is cleaner, most noticeable to me in the bass/lower mid: this is running in the 5200SE + DSW (2.1) system streaming (ID41) Tidal through Roon (did not test the G08 or 500v3).
Depending on the Recording/resolution the 218 very close (sometimes more pleasant), higher resolutions the 818v3 seemed to sound cleaner/more resolving.
As default the 218 LPS is running the main system, sadly the 818 does not fit in the shelf. Standard 218 to LPS 218 was a big improvement; 218 LPS vs 818v3 is less so.
More superficially; No loud relay clicks on resolution change and a Very small footprint (active minimalism), wins for the 218 LPS.
My 218 build used a Power One medical MB12-1.7a with a double filter schneider IEC fused plug ~ hardwired directly with shielded servo power cable into the 218 pcb (no connectors).
Could most likely mod it a bit, but the power one has some decent parts and very good regulation.
The system is connected to a Triplite 2400, for filtering and sag protection (we have lots of power dips, not ideal).
Roon set up is not ideal ~ an AP on my wireless provided the hardwired connections and runs on my windows PC for the moment... Will try for some CD testing this weekend!
808v6, 818.3, G65, G61RSL, G91DH, G08, G98DH, 500v3, 504, 218-LPS, 218, 210, MS200
5200SE, 5200HSE, DSP5200 (nonSL~fully rebuilt), DSP3300x2, DSW.2
HD621, Pair of Revivers, AC12
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Interesting choice of PSU! I have been looking at lab power supplies to power audio equipment, but the top ones are very expensive. I like the idea of going directly to the pcb without connectors too. Might need to try that as well. I like my 218 also because you can control it with an app, giving the whole system a modern feel.
On the roon implementation: I have heard improvements from moving the core to a separate machine, but never any impact on where the core is in the network. Also the PSU doesn't seem to matter. I have a LPS on it for peace of mind, but could not tell the difference.
Curious what your final verdict is between the 818v3 and 218 LPS for roon via speakerlink.
Regards,
D
Main: DSP8000SE< 218 < Farad Super3 TMCB < PS Audio P10. Room correction: Focus Fidelity.
Second: Fostex Fe206NV2 < Audio innovations 500 valve amp < Wiim Pro +
Study: DSP33 < Reviver < MS200
Server: ROCK + Tidal on NUC, fiber on 2x cisco 2960, HD-Plex LPS.
Gone: DSP7200SEu, DSW, DSP5500mkI & DSP5000mkI, 508.20, 210
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For all Dc-modded 218 owners with Farad3 PSU's. Farad is now offering upgrades to the Magnetic Circuit breaker version (TMCB) of the PSU. They also offer optional exchange of the capacitor banks (2 different classes in the PSU) if you want to have that NEW capacitors feeling, though you will be billed for it ofcourse. Mine is currently on this upgrade. And yes, Mattijs noticed that I dimmed the LED with tape so he is also adding a newer LED that is more 'matte'. Farad Super3 TMCB Upgrade Link
DSP8000SE, DSP7200SEHC, DSP5200SE sides, DSP7200SE rears, 861v8, 210, Sim2 Ultranero 4, Stewart Cinecurve 2.35:1, XEIT CM-5E Anamorphic lens, Dune HD Duo Cinema 8K and Wireworld Platinum 48G HDMI -> UHD722 -> Shunyata Omega Ethernet. Shunyata/Furutech power-cables/filters. SR Master Fuse@861v8. Uptone Etherregen with 10MHz OCXO clock.
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Dimmed LED with tape here too I have done the TMCB upgrade and I think it did improve the sound a little bit. Mattijs upgraded my super 3 as well so it’s up to the latest spec. Service was excellent, but I still have the bright LED...
Main: DSP8000SE< 218 < Farad Super3 TMCB < PS Audio P10. Room correction: Focus Fidelity.
Second: Fostex Fe206NV2 < Audio innovations 500 valve amp < Wiim Pro +
Study: DSP33 < Reviver < MS200
Server: ROCK + Tidal on NUC, fiber on 2x cisco 2960, HD-Plex LPS.
Gone: DSP7200SEu, DSW, DSP5500mkI & DSP5000mkI, 508.20, 210
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