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Does anyone have experience or knowledge of shipping Meridian gear using Cash on Delivery into Germany from UK?
I am exploring a potential sale of my London based DSP8K to a buyer based in Germany. He would like cash on delivery (COD) but most logistics companies we looked at do not do more than a few thousand in COD.
Thanks in advance. M
System 1: DSP8000SE (L,R,C), DSP8000 surround, 861v6, 800v4, HD621, Sony Qualia 004, ISCO III Anamorphic lens, Kaleidescape, Sony PS3, Stewart 156"/2:35 micro-perf, Equi=tech, Control4.
System 2: DSP8000SE, DSP3200, DSP5200HC, 861v4.
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When I sold my G95 to a guy in Russia (via eBay), he provided the extra £200 it cost to ship the unit to him via (insured) ParcelForce.
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System 1: DSP8000SE (L,R,C), DSP8000 surround, 861v6, 800v4, HD621, Sony Qualia 004, ISCO III Anamorphic lens, Kaleidescape, Sony PS3, Stewart 156"/2:35 micro-perf, Equi=tech, Control4.
System 2: DSP8000SE, DSP3200, DSP5200HC, 861v4.
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There is no way I would accept cash on delivery for something so high end?, if they wanted such expensive items why not pay for them up front?, doesn’t work for me personally and wouldn’t ever!. For sure I wouldn’t touch such a transaction. Very risky, what if your speakers got there and arrived damaged?, the buyer would say not having them sorry, and you then stuck with expensive damaged speakers. Sure it’s your money and your transaction. But no don’t even consider it.
If they can afford to pay they can afford to pay in advance of receipt!, after all it’s them who want them at the end of the day.
The only way I would remotely contemplate entertaining such a deal is a minimum of 50% up front and even then I would have to get a courier who is a friend to deliver them!, how many couriers would accept payment of that type of money in cash?. No for me it’s not ever going to work!. And how many people are going to count £25,000 in cash and then check all the € or £ to make sure they are legit.
They are your speakers at the end of the day but I would only accept payment up front via bank transfer, there are lots of couriers who do fully insured runs which the buyer would have to pay for.
With the current coronavirus issues logistically it’s going to be difficult as well?, UK sale only or payment in full ( bank transfer not PayPal ) before sending them to many crooks and scammers about who pinpoint items such as this. There are also scammers who send third parties to collect the items from your house after financing the deal on PayPal only for months later chargebacks happening and the sellers left with nothing at all. Be very careful indeed.
If money isn’t an issue I have £5000 that you can gladly have cash on collection , at least you would be left with some cash in your hands!!!. I know it isn’t great but they would be going to a good home!!.
Last edited by Awb; 2020-06-16 15:53.
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I don't know if this expression exists I'm the US, but...
"Wouldn't touch this with a barge pole"
Translation: everything Awb said above!
Cheers George
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You could potentially try to use a courier linked to an Escrow service, if this is still even a thing now (you will find lots of escrow services that will scam you). I wouldn't touch with a bargepole for a large purchase, though - I'd used before for maybe £50 in gig tickets...
If the buyer gets a 'man with van' to collect and drive the speakers to them, they may be willing to pay you cash on collection if that reassures the buyer. Not sure it would be much reassurance to a buyer, though - you could be giving them dud speakers, if you were trying to con them. From your point of view, it's hard to count and check a large wad of cash quickly, too.
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It's such a large purchase that I'm surprised the buyer hasn't asked to see them in person. For the sum of money involved, how about inviting the buyer to the UK to see them, then visit their bank over here, watch them instruct the bank transfer at the counter, then make arrangements to ship. Both parties would have more confidence then?
Cheers
George
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Some random observations:
1. Withdrawing in excess of £20,000 in cash from a euro bank account will require the seller to jump through a number of hoops under the money laundering regulations before it is released by the bank; the exchange rate given will be criminal
2. Carrying £20,000 in cash across Europe will require customs declarations to be made
3. Trying to make a £20,000 bank transfer from a euro account to a sterling account will likely not be instant – from memory next day is the best possible. So, anyone collecting the speakers is likely to be involved in an overnight stay before the speakers can be released.
4. Shipping costs for DSP8000s are likely to be a minimum of £500 even if you know what you are doing, and likely will be much more
5. Insurance on top of shipping is unlikely to be available at less than 3% on a one-off transaction such as this
6. Trying to enforce a “contract” across country borders if anything goes wrong will not be easy and is best avoided.
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 Thanks George and AWB
System 1: DSP8000SE (L,R,C), DSP8000 surround, 861v6, 800v4, HD621, Sony Qualia 004, ISCO III Anamorphic lens, Kaleidescape, Sony PS3, Stewart 156"/2:35 micro-perf, Equi=tech, Control4.
System 2: DSP8000SE, DSP3200, DSP5200HC, 861v4.
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I have to say this sounds hugely complex to organise at best and risky at worst.
My advice would be sell to someone who is able to view in person and pay for the item before one side arranges shipping.
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If it doesn't sound right don't do it. And this doesn't sound right. As the others say find a different buyer even if there is a small price drop. I had a deal go wrong when I was the purchaser. It did work out ok after a couple of years but I think I was very lucky.....
Hope it all works out for you.
Bob
861v8, UHD722v2, 5200s, 5200HCSEup, M6s, 3200s, DSW, Sony 55A95L, Oppo 203, Sky Q Silver Samsung QE43Q65B, Oppo 105 & Sky Q Mini
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With every private car purchase there is cash instead of advance transfer. This is completely normal and safe for both sides. Advance transfer is only safe for the seller.
Niklas DSP7200SE, 818.3, Auralic G2 Streaming Bridge, QNAP TVS 673, CEC TL51, PS Audio detect, Aqvox SE switch
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