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Perhaps, they’ve realised that it’s not so easy after all.
I’d just love to see a firmware update for my G65, but it’s a long time coming.


Main: G65, MD600 Sooloos, MC200 Roon Core, MS600, 210, 218, UHD722, DSP5200SE, DSP5200HCSE, M6 & DSW.2
System 2: AC200 MS200, WiiM Pro+, M6.
Other: DSP5000 (96/24v1), DSP3300.
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Originally Posted by 3dit0r
Except that, early in the life of MQA, Meridian promised an 861 update to make it compatible. It never materialised, but it would seem to indicate there’s no fundamental hardware problem with implementing it (or why promise it in the first place).
I must have missed hearing about this, can you say where you saw it?

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In the 2nd post HERE "MQA decoding coming in a few months".

Then everything goes quiet again tired

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Ah thanks, ‘exciting times ahead’ wink

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I finally got my 7200.2s upgraded to this (and the 818v3 to the latest FW also). It's been a few weeks and, I've had a chance to listen enough to form a firm opinion now. Must say I'm pretty thrilled.

On MQA material with the DSPs now rendering, I've found this is a huge upgrade. Having heard SEs a few times, yes, they do give even more, but that takes nothing away from the fact that my speakers now sound absolutely stunning with MQA and a big step up from previously, to my ears. Everything sounds very natural and, for want of a better word, real. The performance, in all its nuance, takes centre stage, as it should be.

Haven't tried using RC in Roon on MQA material now that's supported, mainly as things are so clean with MQA and EBA in the bass I haven't felt a great need thus far, but it's great to know it's now possible if needed.

Big thumbs up to HQ for continuing to add FW functionality and SQ, etc., much appreciated.


HC: 861v4/ID40/LPS, DSP5000, DSP5000VC, DSP3100, SW1600, HD621, Oppo BDP-105, Sony VPL-HW55ES
2-Channel: Oppo BDP-105, TEAC VRDS-7/Trichord Clock 3/PSU, 551, Quad 303, Harbeth Compact 7ES-3, Kimber cables, Russ Andrews mains and supports.
Previous Meridian: 5000C, 5200SL, 7200.2, 6000, 562V.2, 568.2mm, 800v4, 808.2i, 818v2/v3, 861v8, 502
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Don't Panic!
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Good news! I would just like point out that even the most "audiophile" of room correction solutions are probably quite damaging vs. MRC (implementable in Roon if you have a Meridian processor to do the measurement). Yes, I'm in the Bob/Richard-era Meridian camp, but I chose to be, and MRC is what they came up with to do least damage.


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I completely agree.

Whenever I've tried other RC solutions, I've always found they introduce as many problems as they solve (if not more). I still have some filters stored in Roon from when I last owned a Meridian processor and ran MRC, and the speaker positions haven't changed since then, so I may give it a go at some point.

Right now, it sounds so good, I'm reluctant to mess with it - if something's working...


HC: 861v4/ID40/LPS, DSP5000, DSP5000VC, DSP3100, SW1600, HD621, Oppo BDP-105, Sony VPL-HW55ES
2-Channel: Oppo BDP-105, TEAC VRDS-7/Trichord Clock 3/PSU, 551, Quad 303, Harbeth Compact 7ES-3, Kimber cables, Russ Andrews mains and supports.
Previous Meridian: 5000C, 5200SL, 7200.2, 6000, 562V.2, 568.2mm, 800v4, 808.2i, 818v2/v3, 861v8, 502
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Originally Posted by AudioImages - Rick
Originally Posted by NavSWEDEN
Hi Rick, if my SE DSPs and 808v6 are still under warranty is my dealer obligated to do the firmware update free of charge? Thanks
Hi, I don't know the official agreement with Meridian and their dealers in Sweden, so can only comment on how it works here in the UK.

For the UK, as this is a feature enhancement, rather than a bug fix, there is no onus on the dealer to offer the upgrade free of charge, even if the item is under warranty.
It's not like your system has a fault which needs rectifying, that we would be expected to address free of charge under warranty.

However, if you'd had just bought a pair of SE speakers and an 808v6 from me, I wouldn't be charging time for undertaking the firmware upgrade, although we may charge for travelling to your house, particularly if you lived some distance away and we were making a special trip.
Meridian leave this for each dealer to assess on each occasion, and if some dealers choose to charge for the installation of firmware they are free to do so.

Officially:
The firmware has no charge.
Dealers aren't obliged to provide their labour for nothing, even while the product is under warranty.

While we're on with this...
If anyone tries to do the firmware upgrade themselves, and 'bricks' the product for whatever reason, then this IS NOT covered under warranty.
There will almost certainly be a charge to get the product back up and running again.

Please always contact a Meridian approved dealer to discuss the best way to handle firmware upgrades.

Rick


I paid $195.00 today for a local dealer that I haven’t done business with in 20 years to drive a couple towns over and install v3.16 on mine today. Had I purchased the speakers or se kit from them I might have expected a free update, but I didn’t have a problem with paying in this case.


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Originally Posted by VirusKiller
Good news! I would just like point out that even the most "audiophile" of room correction solutions are probably quite damaging vs. MRC (implementable in Roon if you have a Meridian processor to do the measurement). Yes, I'm in the Bob/Richard-era Meridian camp, but I chose to be, and MRC is what they came up with to do least damage.

So, in theory, I could have someone with an 861 come by my house and take measurements for which filters could be loaded into Roon's DSP engine? Or, I forget, was MRC only ever a multichannel thing?


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Yes. You need a surround processor to do the measurements, but a stereo configuration is fine. Your friend can take the 861/G6x away and leave you with the config file which has the measurements. You can then build filters with different target decay times and then transcribe them to Roon notch filters. It's a bit of a slow process -- and you have to perform one simple calculation per filter -- but it works very nicely.


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I tested this when I had an 861v8 in house by copying over the same MRC filters into Roon.

It sounds good in theory, but in practice my impressions was that doing the correction in Roon's convolution filters was not as transparent as MRC done in the 861v8 itself.

I personally found RC in Roon left a fingerprint across the whole frequency spectrum, wheras MRC performed in the 861v8 was utterly transparent, to my ears, apart from the actual frequencies being filtered. Quite remarkable.


HC: 861v4/ID40/LPS, DSP5000, DSP5000VC, DSP3100, SW1600, HD621, Oppo BDP-105, Sony VPL-HW55ES
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I’ve had a very good experience using Roon convolution with filters from homeaudiofidelity.com, sounding much better than MRC as implemented by my C61R. -Now enjoying the HAF benefit from a stereo smiley 5k setup as well.

Maybe MRC filters would work well in Roon for my environments, but I haven’t tried that.


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