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Originally Posted by Ian
Give them a Radio Times and ask them to look up the details of a programme and you wont be so impressed...
I wouldn't be impressed if someone did that to me! Who needs to know when something starts etc. eek



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Ironically, the episode in question was trying to find out why a particular programme was not available on iPlayer and not showing in the schedule.

The Radio Times gave us the info that we needed that no other technology did - that is the programme that we had hoped to watch was indeed in the schedule, but likely to be delayed (as it was) due to an overrunning sports event.

iPlayer was showing the sports event but said it was the programme we wanted even when playing from the start so that was no help. Online guides didn't show anything for that slot. So just Radio Times but took someone familiar with paper guides to find it.


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Originally Posted by VirusKiller
Why the extraordinary cynicism?
Fairly tongue in cheek but reasonably fair comment. They can be a bit phone dependant, don’t know how to read a map, and will be paying our pensions.

Speaking as a father. Yes it’s tough out there but there is a feeling of entitlement depending on which segment of society you inhabit...

Not really on topic though, as is RT (but a good example of progress).

Will the 210 stream MQA to SE speakers such a full fat unfold can be achieved?

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Originally Posted by Ogri
Will the 210 stream MQA to SE speakers such a full fat unfold can be achieved?
Yes!


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Got mine last week already, having been first in the queue at Graham’s for months, ever since discovering my ID40 won’t get an IP address, and the Auralic Aries had to go back for a fix.

I thought the 210 would be a quick fix for Roon/Qobuz - which I’m glad to say, it is, brilliantly. Connected up via SL to an 861v6-and-a-bit (LPS done and v8 input and output cards waiting to go in) and working within about three minutes of running the app. Perfect for what I need immediately and using ‘musiclogic’ has turned roon into a very pleasing and immediate experience. The app does very little to be honest once it’s set up, but who cares. Maybe you’d use it if you had a non 800 controller?

Next is to try out the Bluetooth and replace the little magic “Relay” box from MassFidelity which worked a treat for iPlayer via iPad.

Not bothered about Airplay, have an AppleTV which does all that when (rarely) needed.

I’m most curious to find out if the co-ax output works simultaneously with SL out configured as MHR, as this is intended to need everything streaming related into the kitchen G92. I can’t test this without a bit of extra fiddling I haven’t had time for.

Slight rant alert. I still really miss the aux output that you’re not allowed on the 861 (‘incompatible’ with the reference nature of 800 series apparently). And while on that subject, the UHD722 has two outputs, but if you use MHR, it’s useless as it won’t send audio to the 2nd output. So now a proliferation of extra HDMI splitters and the like to duplicate Sky and Apple TV to the kitchen.

I really must add a signature sometime, tried ages ago and ran out of characters!

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Originally Posted by VirusKiller
The point about Airplay is that it's a network, not a proximity-related point-to-point (i.e. need to be near the box) protocol. Bluetooth is a deeply unsatisfactory fallback in this regard. I wonder if there are any "cheap" Airplay to SPDIF bridges that custom installers can use to solve the problem? Used Mac Mini?
A used Apple TV 3rd Generation has been my go-to device for getting an Airplay zone into M kit, using the optical output (now deleted from the latest versions). It works effortlessly and they're cheap as chips second-hand. There could be an argument made that the optical interface is less than ideal from an SQ perspective, but when the source is Spotify I think it's pretty academic.

Also OT: I think most millennials are pretty amazing, in my increasingly-extensive experience. Yes, a whole bunch of them seem to lack spatial awareness, but a few generations back I'm sure the kids of the day were being criticised for lacking essential woolly mammoth hunting skills as well. The world moves on. And given that the current generation are going to grapple with some fairly phenomenal challenges - climate change, environmental degradation, a rapidly changing economy and a lot of uncertainty - I think they will not only cope, but may well surprise us all with how brilliantly they do.


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Interesting Master Kay about you having the 210 connected to an 861.

Having an 861v8 myself with LPS I'm entertaining the thought about trying it into the 861 and benchmarking the 210 against the internal ID41.

I can pull up all sorts of theoretical advantages for the internal combo but it would be interesting to see how far apart they are. I don't have a fancy active 10-40dB noise cancelling cable to the 210 though as it uses the same condensed c5 connector as the F80. And while the 210 specifies "high performance" PSU but in Meridian-speak it could mean either an LPS or a better quality SMPS.

My plan is still to use it for an update of F80 to 2019 connectivity and via SL-->Optical adapters + a Reviver and even still getting a TV set into it.


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Potential Meridian user here.

I like the look of the 210 but want a simple system to listen to music stored on a NAS and via Tidal.

Am I right in thinking that the 210 (via Roon) would enable me to do that if I hooked it up to a couple of 5200SE's? Or am I missing something?


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Yes that would work out well.


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As would a number of cheaper and possibly better streamers. May not be able to do MQA full fat like this unit but if you read CA and Roon forums, you’ll know that listening to MQA causes cancer and will make your children stupid and MQA will take over the world and poison you and make you blind. Obvs.

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With talk of full fat MQA, now that this device is finally out in the wild, the real question for me is will the 210 allow SE speakers to perform the final render when Roon performs the first unfold or must the 210 act as the decoder?

Airplay was nice to have for use by guests but if this doesn't allow Roon to unfold then it offers nothing to me other than RAAT multi-room synchronisation over my MS600. I am unlikely to want to sacrifice Roon DSP/Filters just to get MQA.

Has anyone tried this scenario yet?

Anthony.


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With the new DSP speaker firmware it should be ok ... but as they say the proof’s in the pudding.

Try giving your dealer a call re firmware for your SE to see if they have it yet.

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Carl


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