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Hi, The HD621 is equipped with 1.3 HDMI chipsets. This version of HDMI supports 10.2 Gbps bandwidth. There is no change in the bandwidth limitation with 1.4 version. Ultra-HD blu-ray are 24 images/s and use a 4:2:0 10bits color subsampling. With 10.2 Gbps bandwidth, the 1.3 version can handle 4k@30p 4:2:0. Has someone done some tests with a UHD player and the HD621 to check its compatibility? Serge.
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It doesn’t support HDCP 2.2, hence the 722.
Main system - Sources (Kodi-HTPC, Vero 4k, FireTV, Sat) into Trinnov Altitude 32 (8-16) (+Roon), Trinnov Amplitude 8 amp & Vivid Audio (Giya G3, V1.5) and REL Stentor III speakers. Others: F80 + Raspberry Pi and other Pi systems.
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Looks like HD Fury might be the key.
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Thanks Cliff. I forgot this @*ù$ protection  In this case, a UHD player should downscale the signal to 1080p. I have read a exemple with a Sony X800 player linked to VPL-HW55 projector through a Marantz 8801. The signal is downscaled to 1080p 4:4:4 12 bits. And the result seems to be better than a BR disk. Does the HD621 support this format ? Serge.
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Hi Serge
I’m no expert, but I think you would need more bandwidth than the HD621 could handle for that colour space.
Main system - Sources (Kodi-HTPC, Vero 4k, FireTV, Sat) into Trinnov Altitude 32 (8-16) (+Roon), Trinnov Amplitude 8 amp & Vivid Audio (Giya G3, V1.5) and REL Stentor III speakers. Others: F80 + Raspberry Pi and other Pi systems.
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You're rights, Cliff. 4:4:4 is too much for HDMI 1.3 4:2:2 10 or 12 bits is ok.
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To give an idea of the percieved gain in resolution when changing the subsampling for the same resolution : ![[Linked Image from res.cloudinary.com]](http://res.cloudinary.com/hd-numerique/image/upload/v1421770571/chroma-subsampling-2_sc2dom.jpg)
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I have checked the outputs of the Panasonic UB700 UHD player. There are 2 HDMI outputs. One that can be dedicated to the audio and the other for the video only.
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You're right, Cliff. 4:4:4 is too much for HDMI 1.3 4:2:2 10 or 12 bits is ok. I say just about anything... 4:4:4 subsampling it too much for HDMI 1.3 ... for 4k resolution. Not for 1080p  HDMI 1.3 is compatible with 4k@30p 4:2:0 but new HDCP version does not make this possible with 1080p projectors. So 1080p@24 4:4:4 10/12bits is ok for the HD621 
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I regularly passed 4K/(24|25) from an Amazon Fire TV through my HD621 using an HD Fury Integral.
Haven't tested HDR metadata through it as I didn't have an HDR capable display at the time.
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This is really good to know.
Do you know for Apple TV and 4K Box TV (equivalent Sky 4K Box) what resolution we require to have 4K on a TV?
To be honest if the HD Fury resolves the 4K issue of the HD621 that would avoid me having to buy a UHD722.
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