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An extremely affordable £100k system wink. I wonder if it's possible to use two 271s with a Trinnov?


Main system - Sources (Kodi-HTPC, Vero 4k, FireTV, Sat) into Trinnov Altitude 32 (8-16) (+Roon), Trinnov Amplitude 8 amp & Vivid Audio (Giya G3, V1.5) and REL Stentor III speakers. Others: F80 + Raspberry Pi and other Pi systems.
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The Altitude 32 "only" have 16-channels Digital AES3 out over DB25 so probably not.

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Originally Posted by Ian
Ah got it - 1st June. How come it took 6 weeks for someone to stumble on that. HH'ers are normally very eagle eyed and keen to post - would have thought that Robert would have raised it here wink Or doesn't positive news travel so fast...
All the cool people😎 who effectively stay on top of stuff went elsewhere for action. To a sister site if you will. Some took their obsession and moderation😜 Hope this opens up a spate of interesting discussions from MQA CDs, new M product offerings, etc.

I wondered who the nameless math stars were at Meridian to write codec software now tha Rhonda, Bob and Richard are elsewhere at partners if you will. Maybe a part of the answer is at Trinnov and DataSat.

It seems this may be a key to the most commercially lucrative strategy they could possibly adopt, given VC common control of M, MQA, and Roon, and synergy possibilities presented. It explains to me the new low price point introductions (down to the Explorer 2, Prime, etc). It continues the build up to a custom installer line which now can include DSPs sold by the bushel, as inwalls and inceilings. An inspirational pair of SEs (with 218) will get a shot in front, doing double duty for a 2 channel top of the line presentation. This can be improved with an 808 or 818 in on the package. The UltraDac and new 2 channel (I think) Amp is then the ticket into the price no object rooms decorated with Sono Fabers, Wilsons, Rockports, Magicos, etc.

The ability to play in both spheres with elagant simple just works whole house distribution and control and 4K video. I just wonder what the hell they have been doing all this time. Just kidding. Very exciting reading the tea leaves.


James
NC1: 861v8, ID41, 218, 251(to outdoors), DSP8000SEUG, 7200SEC, DSP520 rears, Apple TV, DirecTV, Oppo BD103, QNAP251, Roon
NC2-M7005, Triad Silver Speakers,Acurus Amps

FL1: 861v4, ID40, 218, MS200, DSP8000SEs, DSP7200SEC, DSP5000s, DirecTv, AppleTv, OppoBD103, QNAP469, Roon
FL2: Marantz 7005, 251, M60s,60C,33s, Oppo BDP-93,MS200, Roon
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For what it's worth, I think the 271 is a really positive thing. One of the main draw's to Meridian is their DSP speakers. One of their main issues is the lack of support for modern AV standards. This is the bridge between the two.

It will be interesting to see what the 271 actually does. Is it literally a 20 channel DAC with volume control? I would imagine you'd want to control levels and distances from the main processor.

I assume that the Trinnov and Datasat versions take in digital input from those devices to save the DAC/ADC step.

Of course, I guess it makes an M cinema even more expensive...


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The 271 wouldn't be a DAC - the DACs are in the DSPs. Could be as streamlined as a bunch of digital inputs that all respond to M comms and send volume and any other requested commands to the speakers. I would imagine 1 unit has "x" number of inputs and they can be ganged.

Seems the non-branded one may be analog inputs. We'll see.

My assumptions only. Will be fun to find out the whole truth.

John


Main system: Cable, Apple TV, HD621, G68D, AC11, 218, DSP7200SE (L+R), DSP3200 (L+R Rear)
2nd system: Cable, Apple TV, MC200, HD621, 568.2, M3100 (L+R)
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What I mean is, if you have the analogue one, then there is a DAC stage in the non-Meridian processor, and then an ADC stage in the 271 to put the audio in the right format for your M DSP speakers. this was the DAC/ADC stage I was referring to.

Presumably the Trinnov and Datasat versions support whatever crypto the digital audio comes in on, thus avoiding that DAC/ADC step.

Do Trinnov and Datasat encrypt their digital audio? I don't know...


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No, it is not encrypted in the Trinnov, or Theta digital. I would assume the same would be true for Datasat.


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Hmm.. are those devices outputting audio in maximum frequency and bit-depth? I thought that was verboten, hence why M created MHR? (I know they tout other benefits too).


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The Trinnov does channel level balancing in the digital domain. The Theta Digital does not alter the digital outputs at all. In the case of the Theta Digital I have done the channel balancing via the control system. The 271 from what I understand will handle the channel level balancing. We will have to wait for more info to be sure.


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#2 Mark Levinson No5105, Ayre VX8 and CX8, Vandersteen Treo CT, Preamp varies.
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The 271 is a welcome addition to the Meridian DSP eco-system! Good news for those that can't wait for an 800 M MCH pre/pro but enjoy the M DSP experience and may upgrade later if M is putting forward a compelling immersive audio proposition.

I still look forward to the MQA cards for the 861 series this year. smile


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Help-Iam confused here-
The roadmap or target is not clear for me here.

218 gives MQA on 2 channel and a new MCh MQA card comes for the 861.
And still rumors about a 861v9 so why a v9 then ?
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271 is either
Originally Posted by 271 Digital Theatre Post Processor (16+4 channels)
ME2271_ For use with third party processor to DSP speakers.
ME2271D Same as above, with digital inputs for Datasat processor.
ME2271T Same as above, with digital inputs for Trinnov processor
Does that mean its a 16+4 processor from Meridian that have comes in two versions---
1) ME2271D for Datasat processor connections
2) ME2271T for Trinnov processor connections

OR its just a interface box-not a 16+4 channels processor-
that have the suitable connections between Meridian DSP speakers and either Datasat or Trinnov processors ??

Robert


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The 271 is an interface between a 3rd party pre/pro and M DSP speakers.


DSP8000SE, DSP7200SEHC, DSP5200SE sides, DSP7200SE rears, 861v8, 210, Sim2 Ultranero 4, Stewart Cinecurve 2.35:1, XEIT CM-5E Anamorphic lens, Dune HD Duo Cinema 8K and Wireworld Platinum 48G HDMI -> UHD722 -> Shunyata Omega Ethernet. Shunyata/Furutech power-cables/filters. SR Master Fuse@861v8. Uptone Etherregen with 10MHz OCXO clock.
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