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Originally Posted by JimK
Originally Posted by Sir Ron Ekim
Howard Popeck at Subjective Audio in London
Good old days for sure. I'd buy those Swallows again in a heart beat!
JimK

Are these what you are looking for?

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Well, yes, they are.
Would I buy them in a heartbeat?
Had to think about that, your unexpected link coming out of the blue.
Then I did after contacting the seller.
Who would have thought?
Not I, not in a million years.
Thanks Russ, and now back to the original thread...


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Just a separate point of view here to mix it up a bit...

M is owned by Richmont Group. As any company I've worked with (and most FSTE companies as well) your sub companies are always run at a loss - that way you pay less taxes...

I'm not overly concerned on a set of Companies House accounts. Most sub brands are always operated at a loss. Look at Starbucks.

Merely accounting practices??


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I think it is the Muse Group that bought a share, they are owned by Reinet Investments and some film company.

Not sure what share they own?

You're probably right, it just seems like we have been waiting for a very, very long time for new product to arrive, with no word of what is coming you start to think the worst.



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Originally Posted by gIzzE
with no word of what is coming you start to think the worst.
The lack of any communication is the worst aspect for me.
I waver between it being incompetence and arrogance.
Neither are a good sign in a 21st century business that has been going in various forms for around 40 years.


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I work in R&D and lack of communication and secrecy seems to be the norm. Often I don't even know what the person sitting next to is working on even your own project partners let alone people outside the dept or company knowing. They only get to know once marketing gets their hands on it and then you don't even know what you have been working in it's all been twisted.


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There is a difference between technology led R&D, e.g. developing MQA where secrecy is clearly important, and market led product development, such as an MQA solution for the 861, and MQA-enabled replacements for the AC200, MS200, MS600, etc., where there is an obvious and demonstrable demand.


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I work in transport sector and we have both types of products. The lack from of communication even surrounds upgrades to existing products although I often think part of the lack of communication is down to the uncertainties of some research aspects of the projects. I came in for a theoretical 1 year project and it's still not gone to market nearly 3 years later - had I not come in they would still be arguing on what approach to take. You do stuff that's never been done before you don't know what you are going to encounter. Even the signing of contracts can take forever.

People talk about how great Roon is openness wise, but they probably won't realise how many iterations there was between Sooloos 2 and what ultimately became Roon. I note on Roon forum how long Chromecast support has been coming. Not sure what's worse - an invisible roadmap or one that is long and wide. I guess former is worse until someone adds something to latter roadmap and then things change or problems encountered - both of which are ok to happen but some are as intolerant of as much as those seeing no roadmap at all.

Having come from broadcast and financial background where most deadlines were set in stone. I found it really hard to get use to working in research where they almost have projects to run projects such that everything is so fluid with no hard and fast dates to meet other than those you set yourself.


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Chromecast support was requested and the Roon team have been open about wanting to do it and roadblocks they have encountered that prevent or compromise its inclusion.

Whilst I am sure if you are waiting for it the situation will be frustrating but you are aware of the challenges and reasons for it not being available.

I don't see how the number of Roon iterations between Sooloos2 and Roon matter as the software was not publicly released?

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Ignoring the fact that Sooloos (next generation) morphed into Roon, had Meridian announced that a big Sooloos upgrade was being worked on then imagine the outcry when nothing appeared for several years and then it was an HP Connected specific product then after much more time it turned into a completely different product, largely incompatible with legacy products and as a chargeable extra rather than a free upgrade.

Meridian by not saying anything probably saved themselves a lot of grief. I can see why that's the way they like to play it.

They are damned if they do (John Buchanan announcement) and damned if they don't (pretty much every other occasion in their 30+ year history). I'm surprised so many people read 'the end is nigh' into this long standing policy that is not unique to Meridian.

Yes, they do sometimes bury their head in sand when openness or clarification would often save much grief, but it's been like this as long as I have known Meridian and people don't have to choose or stick with Meridian if they don't like it.

It's a bit like moving in next to a church then complaining that you get woken up early on a Sunday.


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Refreshing to hear a voice of reason in the midst of posts of impending doom. I find it interesting that the John Buchanan document keeps getting brought up. That was a communication to the dealers and was not meant for public release. It made no promises to the end user and quite frankly, companies don't have to ask for permission to change thier minds on something.


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