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I haven't been able to test this but I have some strange ancient recollection that the CD source needs to be digital. I think both posters with the problem have them set up as analog. Truly, I could be misremembering this but it might be worth a try assigning the analog CD player to TAPE or something other than CD on the processor.
Good Luck
Regards,
Bill
Theater: 861v8+ID41, 218, (2) DSP8KSEs, DSP7200VCSE, (2) DSP5200s, Marantz UD9004, (2) JL Audio F113s, Roon
Whole House: 218s, DSP520s, DSP 320s, Roon
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Thanks for the suggestion. I have tried configuring both a Radio and VCR analog source without any luck.
Anthem AVM70, 271, DSP7200x2, DSP7200.2HC, DSP5200x4, JL Audio F113,
Oppo UDP203, Panasonic UB9000, Kaleidescape Strato E, Apple TV 4K,
HDFury Vertex2, Epson LS10500, Stewart Filmscreen 110"
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Bill is suggesting that they must be digital rather than analogue.
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Seems you have been trying a bit, with some great (moral) support here, but still no progress. Usually Meridian support is quite responsive. Have you shot them an email? This was the response I received when I last attempted to solve the problem. I have tried all of the suggestions except for measuring the output voltage from the power supply. Version 1.40 is the latest firmware for the speakers, so it not that. Not that it should affect things, but is the 861 up to date in regard to firmware?
In the absence of a firm theory of why the 861 is power-cycling in this way, we can suggest a few things to try…
1. We would try changing the 861 config file so that a different source is selected when Room Correction is started. We don’t have a known issue with the Sooloos card being the “start-up” source, but we try something else as an experiment. Maybe just create a CD source in the program so the system switches to this when the process begins.
2. Also, within your config file… Is there any particular reason why you have the Sooloos System is linked via the Radio source? Again, this is not a known problem, but it’s not the standard way to connect Sooloos. We would normally connect the Sooloos system directly from its “Net” output to the “Net” input on the 861. The Sooloos source can be assigned to whichever MSR key you prefer, but by default we use “Aux” with the legend entered as “SLS”. It seems unlikely that this the source of the problem, but my “Meridian OCD” kicks in any unconventional arrangement.
3. Next, is it possible to try a different Master speaker? The Master is the point of communication between the 861 and the speakers, so it may be worthwhile checking a different set of hardware. If the cables are installed such that you can’t move the 5M lead, you could temporarily move either the left or right speakers to the centre position.
4. Another possible explanation is that the behaviour is the earliest manifestation of a fault on the 861’s PSU. As the unit is switching to carry out Room Correction, the slight surge in current required is pushing the PSU beyond its capabilities. The 861 has a supervisor circuit which senses any dips in internal voltage and protects the unit by switching off its power.
Please let us know what you find – we’re really keen to help you resolve this.
Regards, Des.
Des Ford
Customer Support Manager
Meridian Audio Ltd
Anthem AVM70, 271, DSP7200x2, DSP7200.2HC, DSP5200x4, JL Audio F113,
Oppo UDP203, Panasonic UB9000, Kaleidescape Strato E, Apple TV 4K,
HDFury Vertex2, Epson LS10500, Stewart Filmscreen 110"
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Reading through old posts about setting up 861 Controllers, a few people had mentioned the recommended card order.
I checked my configuration and it is not the same as recommended by Mconfig.
This is where the cards are installed, with recommended placement in (brackets).
IA10
IA00
ID25 (SL00)
Blank
Blank
OA13
IE42
OE12
SL00 (ID40)
ID40 (ID25)
Blank
CO00
Power
Could this be a source of the problem?
Anthem AVM70, 271, DSP7200x2, DSP7200.2HC, DSP5200x4, JL Audio F113,
Oppo UDP203, Panasonic UB9000, Kaleidescape Strato E, Apple TV 4K,
HDFury Vertex2, Epson LS10500, Stewart Filmscreen 110"
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With an OE12 and an OA13 you need two TM00 termination cards. I wonder whether you have both those (they are small and hard to see, very close to the motherboard). Anyway, the key thing is, have you tried with ONLY the IA00 and the OA13 (or just the OE12 instead of the OA13) installed? Nothing else except the CO00, of course? You do need to try this to eliminate some of the variables.
Cinema/Music: Trinnov Altitude32 8-16,218,Cloud 4 channel, Marantz UD5007,DSP5200SE(2+C),DSP3300(4),DSW(2),271,MShort Ceilings,AppleTV 4K
TV: Marantz SR7013 Wharfedale Diamond 9x4+Celestion(C)
Music: Roon,i7NUC8gen,QNAP TS253A, Sony Scala, MS200, Garrard DDQ650,Wharfedale Diamond 12.3
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As I understand it, the need and position of the termination cards is unit-specific.
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It is unit specific in that it depends particularly on the combination of output cards in the unit in question. I am not at home, but I do have there the matrix of what output cards require none, one or two termination (TM00) cards. However, my v4 unit (now sold) has OA13 and OE12 so I happen to remember that combination does need two termination cards.
Cinema/Music: Trinnov Altitude32 8-16,218,Cloud 4 channel, Marantz UD5007,DSP5200SE(2+C),DSP3300(4),DSW(2),271,MShort Ceilings,AppleTV 4K
TV: Marantz SR7013 Wharfedale Diamond 9x4+Celestion(C)
Music: Roon,i7NUC8gen,QNAP TS253A, Sony Scala, MS200, Garrard DDQ650,Wharfedale Diamond 12.3
Kitchen: AD88 (bluetooth via i80).
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Your right on that. My unit also has 2 cards fitted. One on the right and ond on the left.
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Today I disconnected the 861 from my system and opened it up to verify how many TM00 cards I have. Two are installed as required, but the left card is installed between the IA10 and IA00. The left most connection is blocked by two capacitors on the IA10 card. I thought I would remove the ID25 card that I am not using, and move the two analog cards over allowing room for the TM00. When I removed the IA00 card I noticed a black burn mark on the back of the circuit board. I was surprised but glad to see something that finally makes sense for the cause of the problem. Now to find a replacement for the IA00 card. It will only be used for connecting the sound meter, as I don't have any analog sources. What is the least expensive analog card that will work? Thanks to everyone that provided ideas and suggestions to track down the problem. 
Anthem AVM70, 271, DSP7200x2, DSP7200.2HC, DSP5200x4, JL Audio F113,
Oppo UDP203, Panasonic UB9000, Kaleidescape Strato E, Apple TV 4K,
HDFury Vertex2, Epson LS10500, Stewart Filmscreen 110"
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This sounds like useful progress.
For a quick test you should be able to feed the microphone into the IA10 (which is a balanced analogue input card if I recall correctly).
There are plenty of articles on the web to help guide you how to wire things up: you won't get an ideal impedance or gain match but you should be able to get something. In any case, it looks like the IA00 card would have been excessively loading your power supply and you may well get some noise now on starting room correction even though it won't proceed if the microphone signal is too weak.
Good luck.
Cinema/Music: Trinnov Altitude32 8-16,218,Cloud 4 channel, Marantz UD5007,DSP5200SE(2+C),DSP3300(4),DSW(2),271,MShort Ceilings,AppleTV 4K
TV: Marantz SR7013 Wharfedale Diamond 9x4+Celestion(C)
Music: Roon,i7NUC8gen,QNAP TS253A, Sony Scala, MS200, Garrard DDQ650,Wharfedale Diamond 12.3
Kitchen: AD88 (bluetooth via i80).
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I had an 861v4 at home to test if the room correction works. I have loaded my config file into the 861. I have made a measurement and stored it on my computer. I loaded the file into my 861 and room correction works
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