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Hi Frode Both the DSP3200 and 3300 are 2-way sealed enclosure system . DSP5200 are 2�-way� acoustic reflex system. Single-port (vertical model) or dual-port (horizontal centre). DSP7200 are 3�-way� acoustic reflex system. DSP8000 are 3�-way�crossover system sealed enclosure system. Linear-phase mid�top crossover; 6th-order Linkwitz-Riley bass�mid crossover Quote taken from this article. There was an intriguing article by the late Peter Mitchell in the December 1995 issue of Stereo Review on the subject of group delay in loudspeakers. Group delay is a measure of how sharply the phase of a signal changes with frequency. Mitchell was an acclaimed audio expert, reviewer, and commentator whose views and writings were very highly regarded. He was a founding member of the nationally-known Boston Audio Society. I remember he caused quite a stir at a Bose press conference several years ago with his pointed, relentless questioning and was summarily banned from all future Bose press events. His passing several years back was quite a loss for the audio enthusiast community.
Bass Reproduction & Group Delay In this article, Mitchell puts forth the idea that there is a definite correlation between the subjective quality of bass reproduction and superior group delay performance. Speaker systems can be thought of as minimum-phase filter devices, so the magnitude response (amplitude vs. frequency) of a speaker will determine its phase, time (impulse) and group delay characteristics. All things being equal, sealed speakers (2nd -order high pass filters) have superior (lower) group delay characteristics than ported or bandpass systems (4th - or 6th -order high pass filters). As Mitchell�s article states, �Sealed-box�speaker systems consistently have the least group delay (under 10 milliseconds), and they usually deliver the tautest bass transients, the deepest-sounding bass tones, and the most clearly resolved bass textures. Bass reflex and bandpass systems often exhibit substantial group delay [in excess of 50 milliseconds]�and their sound tends to be thicker, fuller, and �slower�. So 50ms that means the the tweeter sound has traveled a distance of 17.15m or 56.266404ft in theory before the bass leaves the speaker! instead of under 10ms. Given dry air at 20 �C (68 �F), the speed of sound is 343 m/s. This also equates to 1235 km/h, 767 mph, and 1125 ft/s. So Meridian has found that 2-way sealed enclosure system are as near perfect timed aligned, but saw the need for EBA on their ported systems and the big DSP8000 with 6 x 200mm long-throw bass drivers had to timed aligned the faster midrange and tweeter. There are even differences on the DSP5200 / HC VC and DSP5200HC because of the Single-port (vertical model) or dual-port (horizontal centre). ENHANCED BASS ALIGNMENT (EBA) High or low, all sounds travel at the same speed, so all the sounds from a live musical event arrive at your ear at the same time, whatever frequencies they contain. Loudspeakers, however, have a problem when playing low frequency sounds at the same time as mid and high frequencies � the bass arrives late, and the deeper the sound, the later it arrives. This delayed bass causes music to lose its impact and reduces the sense of the recorded space � it is often described as �boomy�.
The goal is to have time-accurate loudspeakers, where all reproduced frequencies start and end at the same time. In a loudspeaker, this timing is affected by the crossover, driver, and enclosure type. To eliminate the delay between low, and mid and high frequencies, Meridian has designed a combination of digital filters and time delays for the mid and high frequencies. This solution enables the mid and high frequencies to �wait� for the low frequencies, delivering perfectly-timed music playback.
Mid and high frequencies are delayed to time-align them, while upper bass is delayed with a special type of patented filter. These features must be implemented entirely in the digital domain, making them impossible to achieve in any passive or analogue-active loudspeaker design.
Enhanced Bass Alignment provides accurate time-alignment of the drivers in the system, delivering exceptional imaging and a clear, transparent, more lifelike sound. PerS
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Very interesting information above.
How does EBA operate in speakers with side firing woofers vs. front firing ones? Is the wavefront created by side mounts different in shape and time alignment?
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Beside the conception and the phase/time differences, every same concept speaker has to have a different phase/timing.
The reason is simply that the physical distances from each chassis to your ear is different and therefore the time/phase.
The perfect goal would be that all frequencies from the different chassis arrive your ear at the same moment, so a square pulse from the source should arrive your ear also as a square pulse in kind of a acoustic pressure pulse - the same shape as the electrical signal.
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What Robert is saying is related to the artificial point source created by a complex delay system in the Quad ESL-63 if anyone fancies a google.
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Hi Malcolm, I asked Richard H the same question at the MWL session. He explained that it's the same principle. The measurements are different as the centre of the bass drivers (as point of reference) are a few inches behind the mid/treble front axis.
Empirically, I can say that EBA makes a very positive difference. Obviously this applies to 8k SL versions only and not the 6k as the only other side-firing DSP.
Rgds, Nick
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This means that the 3200/3300 with DSW now becomes a great system to have as they now work much better as a system. Does that mean that delaying 3200/3300 with a DSW is almost like an EBAing a full sized speaker (but in pieces). That sort of makes sense but isn't the same story that we're getting from HQ (which suggests EBA or Delay). I've been in touch with Meridian today about the DSW and it is getting full EBA. So a set of 3200/3300 and DSW will consist of a DSW with EBA, and 3200/3300 with pure delay to match it. All these units will therefore have a delay which corresponds with that of the other Meridian speakers with EBA. The above quoted email from "technical support" is incorrect and/or contains a typo. I'm sure Meridian would reserve the right to revise the specification of the DSW firmware between now and release, but this is the clarification provided at this time. Let's now wait for the DSW firmware release and see what they give us.
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Just talked to technical support, and they were missinformed about the DSW it will have EBA and the DSP3200 & DSP3200 will have the delay.
All the best
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Thanks PerS for double checking, that ties in with what I understood.
Regards, Carl
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