It does seem somewhat of a contradiction that an 'independent' forum is now aligning only with the manufacturer and it's official dealers. The implication is that this was a condition imposed by either M, PPs or both in exchange for their increased support. I guess it remains to be seen what that turns out to be. However, the independent traders now banned from advertising aren't that numerous and we can get hold of them by other means - they've just lost this little bit of online store-front. That said, then, there seems to me to be little gain for M and the PPs by having those traders ads removed from the forum. In fact, it makes them look rather mean-spirited and afraid of competition. Now, if it was M's forum I could understand it - Naim take a similar approach. But it isn't M's forum is it ? Still, if we can get M to aspire to Naim's level of customer support, it might just be worth it.