Meridian is pleased to announce the imminent availability of the virtualMSR for Meridian iPad app.
The vMSR app will enable owners to control their Meridian equipment with ease from their iPad, using a simple IP to RS232 converter. It's modelled on the current MSR+ and performs all commands with the addition of 2-way feedback from your controller to the iPad, allowing for full control of Meridian equipment even if it's hidden out of sight.
I have the Global Cache IP2SL, which is required to be able to use the vMSR app, in stock now for immediate shipping. Please PM me or phone our Sheffield shop to place an order.
The source buttons aren't customisable in this release. It's on the wish list already though for version 2.
Unfortunately the current ID40/41 protocol doesn't allow for full control over IP. Using the serial port also provides control for those users who aren't 800 Series Sooloos owners.
Wow, this is great! It will certainly allow me much greater flexibility in locating a G68 in the renovation we have underway at the moment, so the timing couldn't be better.
I'm sure we can all think of additional functionality we'd like (I certainly can!) but getting an IP-based replacement for a physical MSR is a huge step in the right direction, IMHO. Congratulations to whoever amused themselves with this project in the weekends.
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Nice to see that they have worked on an app. If they can intergate it with the core control for Sooloos users then it would be nicer. Then you don't need to switch between app's.
Very nice app, and if version 2 does give a chance for custom input button's then it is perfect.
Nice to see that they have worked on an app. If they can intergate it with the Core Control for Sooloos users then it would be nicer. Then you don't need to switch between app's.
As the Sooloos Core Control app only works if you have a Sooloos core on the network, this would mean vMSR only works for Sooloos owners, which surely is not what anyone wants?
A button on each to flip to the other would be my first wish. It's a common pattern with related iOS apps: FlightTrackPro and FlightBoard for example, or FB and FB Pages.
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If they can intergate it with the Core Control for Sooloos
As the Sooloos Core Control app only works if you have a Sooloos core on the network, this would mean vMSR only works for Sooloos owners, which surely is not what anyone wants?.
That is the way I thought about it. This is an great app, and I hope Meridian would integrate it also in the Core Control. So you have it avalible by sliding or througt a button. Then it would be one app and the iPad does not have to switch between app's.
Global Cache also make a wifi version of this RS232 adapter too, I would also assume these will also provide connectivity to those people who haven't got a fixed network IP connection nearby.
The source buttons aren't customisable in this release. It's on the wish list already though for version 2.
So I should hold off getting my iPad engraved with other sources?
I'm already using my RS232 port for my UT2. I need to think how I can integrate this with this new control. At present the 568.2mm is programmed to output a string (i.e. Dune, Wii etc). that triggers the UT2. virtualMSR will sadly not handle this.
Would customizable buttons sort this out? Can't wait for virtualMSR+ though, with full learning capability!
Can anyone recommend a good RS232 hub (if such a thing exists)? Is there an IP to RS232 unit with more than one RS232 socket?
Great job.
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At present the 568.2mm is programmed to output a string (ie Dune, Wii etc) that triggers the UT2. virtualMSR will sadly not handle this.
vMSR is quite happy to accept return information from the Meridian Controller which has been customised, and display this on its feedback screen. It's just that currently you can't name up the buttons on the vMSR iPad control.
Global Cache also make a wifi version of this RS232 adapter too, I would also assume these will also provide connectivity to those people who haven't got a fixed network IP connection nearby.
Well yes they do, however this isn't officially supported by vMSR at present.
It's important that vMSR can connected quickly and reliably, and with the minimum of technical set-up. Using a wired Global Cache IP2SL means a fast, robust connection, with no configuration at all. The vMSR app finds the IP2SL automatically and then configures its serial port with the correct baud rate for Meridian communications. It's literally plug and play.
The Wi-Fi version would require more user configuration, so isn't the recommended solution.
It's just that currently you can't name up the buttons on the vMSR iPad control.
What the heck is going on around here! First we ask for an inexpensive (in Meridian World, that is) Sooloos endpoint and, presto, there it is! Then we ask for 861 upgrades to not throw the baby out with the bathwater and, presto, 861v8 via a few board swaps. Now it's to be able to use iPad as MSR replacement! Don't know about the rest of you, but if I wasn't such a cynic, I'd begin to suspect that M are actually listening to their customers.
So, Rick, what is this little device that connects to the RS232 port - is it a wire, a small box, some kind of receiver? And do you know price yet.
Add me to the list of people who will need customizable 'buttons'. A quick 'toggle' between this app and Core Control would be nice, although volume is controllable in the latter so not a deal breaker if not possible.
Would also like an app setting to replicate the high-pitched whine from MSR+ - I've become used to it ... Not!
This looks a better answer than making your own interface for the Roomie app. Apple users be aware though that the IP2SL setup software is WINDOWS only, no OSX Mac version, just like the Sooloos config software.
Geoff
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So, Rick, what is this little device that connects to the RS232 port - is it a wire, a small box, some kind of receiver? And do you know price yet.
Add me to the list of people who will need customizable 'buttons'. A quick 'toggle' between this app and Core Control would be nice, although volume is controllable in the latter so not a deal breaker if not possible.
Hi Simon,
The device is made by Global Cache and is a small box. It has a network socket on it, and a 9 pin Serial socket, and a socket for its 'wall wart' power supply.
If you have vMSR and Core Control both open on the iPad then you should be able to quickly move from one to the other using a 'four finger' swipe. As long as you have 'Multitasking Gestures' set to 'On' in the iPad 'Settings' 'General' tab.
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Apple users be aware though that the IP2SL setup software is WINDOWS only, no OSX Mac version, just like the Sooloos config software.
Hi Geoff,
Unless you hit problems, there is absolutely no configuration required for the IP2SL. Just connect it to your network and Meridian component, and the vMSR app will find and configure it automatically.
Are the Global Cache the same units that iRule uses? How much are they?
Edit: I once looked at iRule but the idiot manufacturers did an exclusivity deal here in Australia which meant you had to pay an installer to build and modify, whereas I would rather do it myself like everyone else in the world.
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What a wonderful tool! I can rid myself of a bunch of Crestron products and associated software because of this great software! I've ordered an IP2SL, but the WF2SL would be more convenient for me. Is there a thought to make this compatible at some time?
Also, I would also love to be able to give the device buttons custom labels, so I eagerly await this update!
One more question... How about making it work in portrait mode? How about an iPhone version? (I know you're regretting ever doing it by now - LOL)
Lastly, I would have been happy to pay a fee for this app, as would many users, I'm sure. Is there somewhere we can send our thanks in the form of a modest donation?
Thanks,
John
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Good question, I can't see why not, the M serial protocol is pretty consistent.
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In my 2 channel system I have a Cat6 running from my MS600 to a Reviver which is hooked up the the master 6k including the RS232 port. Would this setup take the place of the IP2SL? Also, does this app allow the MSR+ functions that require holding the Function key down? I'd try it but my 6k panels are out having the caps replaced.
Ken
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Will this work as well if directly connected to DSP5200 speakers?
Hi Arnold,
Yes it should work fine direct to DSP5200. If yours are SpeakerLink ones then you'll need an RS232 to SpeakerLink adaptor though to make the connection.
Also turn off the 'Managed Comms' setting in the vMSR app.
Yes indeed, the function key is a toggle, so press it once and some of the buttons which have their function changed will glow blue. Press function again and the blue glow disappears from those buttons and they return to their normal operation.
Very useful for accessing your DSP parameters on an 861 or G68.
You will. Not sure how you'll hook it up though with the Reviver and MS600 in situ. What functions are you hoping to access using virtualMSR that can't be done using the iPad Sooloos app?
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This is really awesome (hey, it's the little things in life)! Always wanted to have status on my remote - got that, sort of, with Core Control and with my, now incompatible, UT2; but really looking forward to the arrival of the IP gizmo.
BTW, if anyone this side of the Atlantic wants my UT2 gratis, just let me know (never could get it to work with the 861v6 though).
Another question... I suppose I'll find this out next week when the IP2SL arrives, but does the virtualMSR support shifted commands, pressing two buttons at a time?
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Excellent. Of course we want customizable keys -- I assume there is no way you can pick up the softens as set in the Configuration program...?
But also, please make the Function shifted keys show what they do. I have found no documentation anywhere, did trial and error, and then I have to remember...
I like it a lot, but I find I use very little of it, just like with the real MSR. The number keys work only with M players, I have an Oppo. Same with the play keys, would be somewhat useful if they controlled Sooloos, but not really as we have the much richer controller. DSP is annoying, as I just discussed in a separate thread.
Again, not your fault. The world has moved on. Still very useful for some things.
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a) The "virtualMSR" on the iPad communicates wireless to the home network. b) You connect the IP2SL to that network (free place on your router as an example) Doing that the "virtualMSR" can give instructions or communicate on the wired network. This is not the same "language" as the standard Sooloos protocol. c) The IP2SL generates a serial output and that output communicates with the M processor and can also read the answers and finally display them on the iPad. d) The further "down" communication goes from the processor down to the master speaker or other M devices/sources as usual.
You can use the IP2SL on another devices that have a serial interface like the DSP (master), but just that communication what Meridian have enabled in there firmware. So, when you hook up the IP2SL output to a master speaker, it will speak with the master speaker. When the master speaker is also the controller in a system - the slaves will also get some instructions. If the master speaker is NOT the controller, the slaves will only communicate with the master when M enabled that.
For your original question, for the master DSP the RS232 connection is not necessary, but useful. There is no usage at the moment (apart from programing), but could be a future use a M SL-DSP already have the RS232 connection in the SL cable.
Note with the Reviver, the RS232 can used to upgrade the firmware from the processors place simply with unplug the SL cable and have a SL to serial converter (two plugs with wires) that plugs into your PC.
So to do "more" with the IP2SL in a system with no traditional M controller-just using Sooloos and DSP�s- you are limited what M have enabled to do -its the same as with a controller.
I only can say here for the great "virtualMSR", I believe more will come up in the future.
I have 2 Meridian systems, not connected in my houose. Will the virtualMSR work with 2 IP2SLs in the house?
Hi John,
The vMSR can be set to 'Search for a device IP address' in which case it will connect to the first IP2SL it finds. However, if you turn off the 'search' and enter the IP address of a particular IP2SL then you can select which IP2SL to use.
Should you wish to operate the other IP2SL, then enter its associated IP in the settings box.
Does the vMSR remember this manually entered IP address? If it did then for those with multi-zones they could have a 'dedicated' iPad in each room; with each iPad / vMSR remembering which IP2SL device to communication with.
Yes indeed the vMSR app remembers the static IP of the IP2SL even if it's completely closed. The idea is precisely as you suggest, you can 'tie' a particular iPad to its related IP2SL. So the lounge IP operates the Lounge Meridian system, and the Cinema iPad operates the Cinema system.
On my Dune HDI remote iPad app I'm able to switch between Dune units quite easily through pre-programming the individual IP addresses into the iPad (a bit like selecting a different zone in Sooloos).
It would be a useful feature for vMSR2.0 to allow easy switching between IP2Ls.
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No that won't happen, the vMSR is intended just for Meridian control.
However, if you'd like to PM me with your specific requirements, then I could discuss the possibility of a bespoke solution using a vMSR 'look' which would use RTI or AMX controllers to interface from the iPad app to your other equipment.
Rick, as discussed in the separate thread on removing unused presets, cycling through all the presets is annoying. Can't be done. But I've been told RS232 can directly address presets, like Stereo and Direct. So how about listing the DSP presets as blue Function values, on the number keys, or the source keys?
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Ok, I have got this, connected it to my network and to my 3100HC (controller). All works fine except I'm getting no feedback from the processor of the DSP settings. My processor is in a cupboard which is why I got this.
I want to continue using the MSR+ which is why the centre is controller. But I really want to see and amend the DSP settings on the vMSR. Am I asking too much of it?
Typically a processor is set to controller. DSP as controller can get a bit weird. You may not have noticed that if you cannot see the display on the processor.
See how it goes. The new device should work perfectly with pro out of sight.
I have vMSR talking to my GC-100 RS232 port 1:1 connected to my 861 in a cabinet out of sight of the MSR+. My HC is set as master. All works great with either MSR.
John
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OK, all sorted. Set speakers to auto and processor to auto. Previously the centre was set to controller and other speakers and processor to N controller.
Plugged in IP2SL to the processor and all works fine. Great to be able to adjust DSP settings easily now with vMSR but can still use MSR+ if the iPad's not about.
After setting all to auto, did you point the MSR+ at processor (with system in standby) and press clear?
I ask as I suspect you now have two controllers now on your system. This might be what you want but it is not a typical setup and can cause problems esp. when both controllers 'see' the IR signal.
No I didn't. Do I need to? They are all set to auto. It's unlikely the processor and speakers will see the MSR+ at the same time as the processor is out of sight in a cupboard.
So... I got my IP2SL yesterday, hooked it up with null modem to the 518 in my upstairs system. Doesn't seem to want to communicate. I tried connecting to the DSP7000s in that system. It worked, but the DSP7000s don't respond to all RS232 commends correctly (known bug Meridian isn't going to fix).
I then brought it downstairs and tried connecting to my 568.2. No joy at all. I tried the 596. A few commends work, but not all (it's not the controller in the system.) Didn't have a long enough cable to connect it to the master DSP8000. The other one did nothing. The software is finding the IP2SL, but, according to the log window (turned on) the unit isn't getting what it wants from the Meridian components. All comm parameters are correct.
Why wouldn't it connect to the 568.2? I know the 518 is ancient, but the 568.2, though old, should respond to the RS232 commands. The port is good, as I"ve updated the unit with it more than once.
Is the vMSR not designed to talk to 500 series equipment? Really hoping to make this work.
Thanks,
John
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Yes, I tried it both ways, with Managed Comms on and off.
Hi John,
Could you try:
1) Completely shutting down the vMSR app. Double push the iPad square button to bring up the currently running apps, press and hold one to bring up '-' next to them, and then press - next to vMSR to completely close it.
2) Confirming the 568.2MM is the system controller. System in standby and press the 'clear' button on your MSR, so 568 shows 'controller'
3) Using a static IP in the vMSR.
4) Power the 568.2 off with its rear mains switch, and then back on again.
Then try again?
Could you also let me know how the IP2SL gets its network connection please? Straight from a router, or via a switch?
Anything you would consider unusual about the network perhaps?
I'm connecting the IP2SL in my system to the processor which is in a cupboard. It is not the controller. My centre speaker is the IR controller; I need to be able to continue using the traditional MSR+ because the iPad is not always available.
All works beautifully.
The quick start guide states that the IP2SL must be connected to the controller, but this is not the case with my system. Why do the instructions state it must be connected to the Controller? Will there be any problems with me connecting it this way?
No I didn't. Do I need to? They are all set to auto. It's unlikely the processor and speakers will see the MSR+ at the same time as the processor is out of sight in a cupboard.
John, setting the devices to "Auto" means they will typically default to controller pending a system auto controller setup, which is initiated by pressing clear on the MSR+ as I described above. See G92 User Guide page 21.
With a correctly connected system (Comms leads), when the clear button is pressed, the processor will briefly display "auto" followed by "Controller" and other M devices and the Master DSP will display "Not Controller" / "N.Cont".
Having more than one controller in a Meridian system can lead to unpredictable system behaviour such as MSR keys being reacted to twice resulting in say volume control being erratic and or slow to react.
I believe that currently your Master DSP and the Processor are both acting as controllers. Which is why: the Master DSP is reacting to the MSR and the processor is reacting to the RS232 port.
As I said, "this may be good for you", but it is not recommended. However, it's your system and provide you understand the caveats you may wish to leave it this way. Personal I would not and if I want both MSR and RS232 I would install a 3rd party IR extender.
I set them all to auto and pointed the MSR+ at the centre speaker which did indeed display 'Con'.
My question to Rick was is it OK for the vMSR to be linked to the processor which is not the controller? I don't think I have more than one controller in the system. Despite the instructions for the vMSR it seems to work connected to a product that is not the controller.
I also think it is highly likely that your processor is acting as a controller in addition to your master DSP. Is there any way to have both the processor and master DSP visible to you when you have the system in standby and press 'clear' on the MSR+ ? That's the only way you can be sure that there is only one controller at work.
I just bought a global cache product and I have one question as to how to use the IR sensors. Mine didnt come with any IR emitter to plug in the product, can I just buy any kind of IR emitter that uses a jack connector or is there any more specific requirement ? I see some for $3 on eBay so would like to know if they would work. Thank you.
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Hi Rick sounds an interesting toy depending on cost. I have two rooms so guess I might need two of the interface units for ethernet connection No problem with iPads we have two.
Let me know when available and total damage please.
Many thanks Best regards Huw
PS Why is this not the MSR with iPod mode? One of my MSRs has that.
So I have this older GC-100/12 and it runs with an older fimrware (2.0.8-12r2) and the global cache support confirmed the beacon (multicast I'm alive signal every 60 seconds) was added from version 3.0 so the vMSR does not detect it. I have tried entering the IP directly but it does not work. From a computer on the same network I am able to access the config page of the GC100 with internet explorer. Any idea if that could work?
(A firmware upgrade means returning the unit + $35 service charge)
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The vMSR app is designed to use the iTach IP2SL and IP2SL-P devices. It recognises their beacons, but not the GC-100 beacons, so it won't be able to find the GC-100 for sure.
I do know that there are vMSR users out there who have successfully connected using GC-100 controllers however.
Certainly you will have to use a static IP, and I suspect the 'first' serial port, as there is no port selection in the vMSR.
Thanks Rick. Mine has a firmware 2.x so they do not even send beacon so it will not be detected for sure. The GC100 by default have static IP so I have entered it, plugged into serial 1, prayed, pressed a button but it did not work.
If someone managed to make this work, please let me know, thank you.
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It cycles yellow then goes grey. I did not see that debug window before, very useful, it says: Will use static IP 10.0.1.69 (I can reach the config page of the GC100 using a browser on that IP) Wifi network is reachable Attempting connection to command socket at 10.0.1.69 to initialize the serial interface Command socket connected to host at 10.0.1.69. Initialising now... Initialisation was unsuccessful! Unexpected response was : "unknowncommand 14" Command socket disconnected
I found online that the protocol might have changed between firmware 2.x and 3.x and although most products still work on old firmware some don't so well so maybe that is the issue. (For instance the firmware <3 do not send beacons at all, the customer service of global cache told me these were introduced in v 3.0)
Thank you
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One of the forum users that has a GC100 explained via PM how he made it work; and it seems that it is a firmware issue as we have done the same thing and he get the green bar and it stayed grey for me.
I will have to have the unit updated, for which global cache charges $35 (+shipping).
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Being as you are using the same exact infrastructure that is needed for iRule, any way you can port this over to iRule? It would be AMAZING if you could make this one of the screens in iRule.
Though as I write this, I wonder if I even need iRule now. This, the Sooloos iPad app and the Dune App, are all I really need. Total control!
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I can confirm it works in 808.3 and 5 as well as 861v4, 6 and 8, other will be able to fill in the blanks in due course, I guess Rick is best placed to explain exactly what it does?
Can someone please explain what managed comms does and what benefit it offers.
Other than not being supported in 500 series and DSP speakers, does it work with all other devices ie 808.3?
Hi Ian,
The Managed Comms adds processing to the returned RS232 from the Meridian equipment. If it is set to 'off' then the vMSR feedback display will show exactly what is output from the product connected. In development it was found that this can sometimes give spurious or unexpected behaviour.
I'm not going into too much detail here, but a couple of examples:
Particularly when ramping up or down the volume, as the Meridian also echoes the input command, these input commands can become mixed in with the response. This manifests itself as occasional flashes of unwanted text in the feedback box. The Managed Comms handler filters out this unwanted response to make the feedback display more persistent and fluid.
Another good of example of Managed Comms is the '0' conversion. The Meridian 800 series front panel display drivers by default show all zeros as 'slashes zeros'. Meridian didn't like this effect and so changed all zeros to Capital O's before they are sent to the display, so removing the slashes in the zeros. However this change also made its way through to the RS232 port, so vMSR would display all zeros as Capital Os The Managed Comms changes these back to zeros in such places as Bass, Treble, Lipsync, Volume etc. Interestingly we have noticed that Meridian appear to have addressed the volume output in V8.0 firmware I think?
As 500 series and DSP speakers don't have the same form of RS232 output as G and 800 series, the Managed Comms setting is best left off.
Thanks for that Rick. Very helpful and seems like your findings match some of the things that we have been found in testing. The 0/O was on a list of queries so I can tick that one off the list. We weren't sure what managed comms was doing.
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I'm not sure every one would want it to automatically switch to Core Control when the SLS button is selected, so a configurable option might be more desirable. Application switching could even be configured on a per source key basis.
As Russ and Carl have said, the vMSR doesn't flip to Core Control.
The app has tried to remain as system independent, and while that may not be as slick as possible for particular systems, it does make it simple and straightforward.
For instance if a vMSR user doesn't have a Sooloos system then it wouldn't want to open Core Control if you pressed AUX, or what if a vMSR user has assigned Sooloos to a different source button?
If you have Core Control and vMSR open at the same time you can quickly swipe between the two apps as Russ suggests.
I have purchase a new iPad and downloaded the Virtual MSR application. I also bought the Global Cache IP2SL and connected it to my G68 with the null modem cable that was supplied from Meridian. When pressing a source button on the iPad virtual MSR the G68 will not turn on. However, once the G68 is turned on using the original MSR, the virtual MSR will then work to adjust the volume, change the source, etc. The virtual MSR will also switch the G68 into standby.
Any suggestions as to how to get the virtual MSR working to turn the G68 on when pressing one of the source buttons on the iPad application will be appreciated.
I have managed comms turned off. I have also entered a static IP address which I found when the G68 was powered on with the original MSR. Everything seems to be working ok now. Thanks for your assistance.
Really pleased it is all working, adding the static IP makes the connection when you run the app almost immediate as opposed to the delay when searching, it would be good if the Sooloos Core Control app had the same option. Sorry for the delayed response.
Saw vMSR in action yesterday at Rick's, fantastic stuff and I'll be ordering the little gizmo when funds have recovered!
I was particularly interested in custom source labelling, which I believe is coming? To make the most of this, it would be nice if Meridian found a way to allow the custom labels to appear on DSPs, too, as well as recent controllers? Or at least ditch outdated buttons and labels and added more up-to-date ones (I mean, VCR-2, really?! I haven't had ONE VCR for about ten years
Great stuff though and well implemented from what I could see!
I was particularly interested in custom source labelling, which I believe is coming?
Although I do agree that this is a pretty cool app/device, the lack of custom labels has proven to be a 'use breaker' for me and I find myself reaching for the physical remote instead.
I have wireless internet, but I get it from a company called Natural Wireless. Up to three devices (in my case, a MacBook Air, an iPad and an iPhone are automatically recognized). So I don't have my own wireless routers or network or anything that involves the use of ethernet cables. My devices are just automatically recognized by the Natural Wireless network. So is there any way I can use this app?
You could put in an Airport Express, use it as a wireless extender/client and plug the Ethernet->Serial interface into that.
You might be violating the terms of your service agreement though!
Mark G68, baby Genelecs, Humax Foxsat, Oppo+Vanity93, Toshiba HD-A35, Pioneer CLD-925 + Meridian 519, various other random bits and bobs Got a black G08.2 you want to sell?
I don't think there is a solution for you as I doubt an airport express or any other device will be able to join your virtual network without your ISP provider's assistance. Worth a call to them.
John
1: 808.6 Anniversary, 504, Sony ES Bluray player, Apple TV, Trinnov Altitude 32, 7200SEU l/r/c, plus for immersive audio 2: Theta Compli Blu, Apple TV, HD621, G61RSL, B&W Sig 8NT l/r/c, & Runco Plasma 3: 861v8, 504, Apple TV for streaming 3100 l/r/c roon all around
Can the app be configured to send and listen on a different TCP / UDP port?
I want to use a different IP to RS232 device, like the Keene IR Commander with RS232 output - here is the advice I got back from Keene.
Originally Posted by Keene
The Commander can be set to listen on TCP port 9761 for incoming packets. Any data in those packets is output directly (replicated) from the RS232 port. Any reply from the RS232 port is passed back to TCP port 9761
Cheers Pete
Meridian G61R, HD621, DSP7200L+R, DSP3300C, DSP3200
Rick sent me an IP2SL yesterday. I took it out of the box, plugged it in just now and vMSR found it straight away no problems. No configuration or anything. Now I can adjust lip sync in my chair and see the value on my iPad directly. Great!
For info the IP2SL is USB powered from my MC200 (to reduce the number of power bricks in my system). So far so good....
I just wanted to give a big thumbs up for this product. Awesome. Makes my Meridian system feel like it's part of this decade. Interestingly when it craps out it's not the unit that needs a reboot, it's the 568.2mm! No big surprise.
Rick - I couldn't see an answer to john's question about the WF2SL. Will that work instead of an IP2S? i am a little port-constrained on the ethernet side and would prefer to use the physical connections for the more data heavy, (typically streaming) devices.
Thanks in advance, (Another) Duncan
Regards, (Another) Duncan Main: DSP6k, HD621, Oppo93, PS5, HP 800 G5 Mini, Hitachi 58HK6100U Kitchen: M80+Echo Show 8" Office: Echo V1 Bedroom: F80+Echo DotV3 Boxed: MS200 x2, DSP5K x 4
I'm about to port my ip2sl emulator to RaspberryPi over the next week. I'm already using it for another serial - wifi connection (to monitor my Solar panels) so have proved the concept of using Pi for 24/7 serial/wifi conversion.
I think you said that you had a pi (or was it Dominic?) so maybe an alternative and with pi bare board at under �30 plus few other bits some of which you may already have, it should be a more cost effective (and more flexible) alternative to WF2SL.
Meridian owner since 1992 Prime & PSU, Focal Elear headphones, Roon (ROCK 8Gi5 NUC), Explorer 1 & 2, F80. 200/203, various Sonos (via Roon).
It would be amazing if Meridian would support the vMSR in the Core Control iPad App for volume and source selection from the iPad. Do I really have to upgrade to a G series controller just for that?
Not yet. I ended buying a second Pi for dev work but then got side tracked.
I'm pretty sure that it will work and be reliable though as I'm running a variant for logging my home power use and solar generation from a serial based data logger and that's been running 24/7 since end january.
Wifi might be an issue (compared with hardwired ethernet) though as I had a few issues running my logger over wifi causing Pi to lock up every few days and suspect marginal power availability under certain conditions (high CPU) when running wifi dongle and USB/serial converter without an externally powered USB hub.
Meridian owner since 1992 Prime & PSU, Focal Elear headphones, Roon (ROCK 8Gi5 NUC), Explorer 1 & 2, F80. 200/203, various Sonos (via Roon).
1. If powering from USB, are you using a conversion cable (I don't see a USB port on the images online)?
2. Is anyone also controlling devices without RS232, such as cable boxes and TV's. If so, did you buy an IP2IR as well, or is there a smarter solution I'm missing?
Cheers, Ian
1: Roon on Mac Studio, G-Drive 10TB, 818v3, 7200.2, UHD722, LG 77G4 2. 808.6, 8kSE 3. 218, 3200's 4: Rivian R1T - 18 speaker 1200W Elevation by Meridian premium sound system 5. G68ADV (croaked), G98DH (also croaked), [HD621, Syles SL-S/PDIF, MD600 (2*4TB), QNAP 469L (4*3TB), MS200], Ayre MX-R Twenties, TBD
Why do you feel you would have to upgrade? The vMSR will work with your 568.
Hey Carl,
I thought the 568.2mm wasn't compatible with the Sooloos MC200 for volume, channel switching, and mute. But it turned out all I needed was a SpeakerLink cable to BNC to get the MC200 onto the Meridian Comms via my HD621.
So I now have two apps that control my Meridian system. vMSR for general use for most sources. Core Control for listening to my Sooloos music library.
I'm thinking of using the vMSR to control DSP33s with Apple TV as source in conservatory, using iPad as controller. Will this work has anyone tried and what would results be like?
Kevin
Main system: 271, Arcam 860, 5500, 5500HC, 8x 33s, OPPO 203, Xbox One S, AppleTV4K, Mac Mini, Sony VW760, Stewart cabaret screen, LG 850 HDR TV, Linn LP12, Itok, Klyde, SkyQ, Broken! G68D, 598DP System 2: 565, Marantz SR6011, HD621, 519, 5000, 5000C, Mission 770, Quad 405x2, xBox1, SkyHD, Apple TV. JVC HD950. Panasonic BD, Toshiba HD-DVD.
I plan to either get converter or use a old 519 I have left from laserdisc days, can set jumpers so that it takes optical in and sends digital out. I used this successfully on a Bluray player to connect to old 565 which had the optical input already used for satellite.
I thought that I could then look out for an unloved 519 if this works. So in summary, Apple TV to 519 to DSP33s, controlled for volume by VMSR.
I'd need a few power sockets, but should be superior sound to say to a BOSE soundtouch 30, which costs similar moneyish.
What do you think, will it work?
Kevin
Main system: 271, Arcam 860, 5500, 5500HC, 8x 33s, OPPO 203, Xbox One S, AppleTV4K, Mac Mini, Sony VW760, Stewart cabaret screen, LG 850 HDR TV, Linn LP12, Itok, Klyde, SkyQ, Broken! G68D, 598DP System 2: 565, Marantz SR6011, HD621, 519, 5000, 5000C, Mission 770, Quad 405x2, xBox1, SkyHD, Apple TV. JVC HD950. Panasonic BD, Toshiba HD-DVD.
No 18 in the Hall of fame I have simple tastes; I am content to settle for the best: GIK monster bass panels, rear wall. QNAP TVS 471i3. Roon into DSP5200SE via 210/ 218 zone... Explorer 2. Bluesound Pulse 2, Mini & Flex. 596v1, 518, Foxsat HD, Sony BDP, Pioneer 5090, 2 Chromecast's for LRB videos. MS200 to F80 for a Roon zone
To avoid the complications of your proposal that may or may not work and given the current price of unloved 565s and 562s, you could get one of those as a controller. That solution provides outstanding sound quality in my office system.
In the spirit of Spinaltap, I would like to confirm that I am not involved in the corrupt theft of a global sport.
2. Is anyone also controlling devices without RS232, such as cable boxes and TV's. If so, did you buy an IP2IR as well, or is there a smarter solution I'm missing?
Any thoughts on Q2?
Cheers, Ian
1: Roon on Mac Studio, G-Drive 10TB, 818v3, 7200.2, UHD722, LG 77G4 2. 808.6, 8kSE 3. 218, 3200's 4: Rivian R1T - 18 speaker 1200W Elevation by Meridian premium sound system 5. G68ADV (croaked), G98DH (also croaked), [HD621, Syles SL-S/PDIF, MD600 (2*4TB), QNAP 469L (4*3TB), MS200], Ayre MX-R Twenties, TBD
Do we know what this entails? I rarely use this frankly because I 'need' the ability to customize the labels (hopefully without have to ship you virtual buttons lol
Does the RS232 port on a 861 give information like source labelling?
I am busy with finding a way for source labeling into my DSP5200SL speakers from a 861v4 through a AC12. I have connected the DIN5 and a RS232 cable between the AC12 and 861v4.
I hope with the new firmware 8.1 that it also would send source labeling over RS232. Then I could use it, and with the virtualMSR should it be possible to.
When you develop for iOS, you target iPhone, iPad or universal app. iPhone apps run on iPad, universal runs on both, but iPad apps only run on iPad. The apps you mention target iPad I believe.
Whilst you can retarget apps, it's not a case of just selecting a different option. There is much needed to do to fit different screen sizes. It was bad enough targeting both sizes of iPhone and the iPad even before the new sizes.
Whilst there are development techniques to ease this, I still think that there will be many a groan from developers on having a further set of sizes to support. As yet, I've not looked at how the new sizes actually appear to the developer. Retina was a cheat, and as far as the app was concerned, nothing changed screen size, and only 2x icons/images (file or programatically) were needed to make apps truly retina.
So whilst technically it's possible, effort wise it may not be worthwhile. But then, Apple have ways of forcing developers hands...
Meridian owner since 1992 Prime & PSU, Focal Elear headphones, Roon (ROCK 8Gi5 NUC), Explorer 1 & 2, F80. 200/203, various Sonos (via Roon).
I think VMSR will overlap the screen hence the Return arrow. Just thinkin' Chris
No 18 in the Hall of fame I have simple tastes; I am content to settle for the best: GIK monster bass panels, rear wall. QNAP TVS 471i3. Roon into DSP5200SE via 210/ 218 zone... Explorer 2. Bluesound Pulse 2, Mini & Flex. 596v1, 518, Foxsat HD, Sony BDP, Pioneer 5090, 2 Chromecast's for LRB videos. MS200 to F80 for a Roon zone
Got it but I can't use it until I get back home next week! Anyway, why doesn't it show up as an update available and you have to search for it instead?
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Yep, it works as an app switch although I haven't the hardware. Well done all involved, a lot of people will find this very usefull. Chris
No 18 in the Hall of fame I have simple tastes; I am content to settle for the best: GIK monster bass panels, rear wall. QNAP TVS 471i3. Roon into DSP5200SE via 210/ 218 zone... Explorer 2. Bluesound Pulse 2, Mini & Flex. 596v1, 518, Foxsat HD, Sony BDP, Pioneer 5090, 2 Chromecast's for LRB videos. MS200 to F80 for a Roon zone
It got offered to me as an update without searching for it but did have to go into appstore/updates to pick it up. Im sure i would have got the update badge on appstore in due course.
Meridian owner since 1992 Prime & PSU, Focal Elear headphones, Roon (ROCK 8Gi5 NUC), Explorer 1 & 2, F80. 200/203, various Sonos (via Roon).
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