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Originally Posted by VirusKiller
In their short-term greed, Hollywood has blown the 3D opportunity (IMO). The marketing exec's jumped on the bandwagon and have managed to turn off the majority of punters by releasing too many poor quality and/or gimmicky films too quickly, and before the projection technology was mature. 3D needed time to bed in from both the directorial and viewing standpoints, but this has not been allowed. I think it's doomed to be a niche, if it continues at all.

VK, I am not convinced that they have killed 3D but you are right their short sighted averice has certainly damaged the "image".


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Originally Posted by Corrado Brit
I'm with you Shaun, hate it. Creativity is being skewed towards generating scenes for the biggest 3D effect, rather than the development of the story.

Hollywood didn't need 3D to dampen creativity and its quite a long time since they broke with the tradition of " 3 things to make a movie - story , story , story ! " . They have more interest in limiting films to PG13 level ( Predator v Alien formerly both adult franchises ) or conversely turning marginal success into a trilogy or quadrilogy ( Cars3 anyone ? )

If you don't like pizza , don't eat pizza . If you don't like 3D ......

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Originally Posted by GaryArthur
Let us know your impressions when you get your new toy.

Gary

Thanks Gary, I will and I'll check out that title.

I take VK's point though, there are a lot of aweful 3D renditions out there, mostly in the 'fake 3D' camp. Harry Potter Deathly Hallow's Pt2 being a typical example. Take a film with loads of dark scenes in it and make it even darker - silly.



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Originally Posted by Shaun
GMT � that was a bit harsh smirk ; Cars was just an example. Pixar (and others) make very good films for children and adults alike. The first Cars film is a fine example, teaching children (the odd adult could learn from it too) good honest values, the main character learnt not to be so self centred and the value of friendship and to help others.

Cars gets 7.4 at IMDb, enough said

It may have been a bit harsh. Cars didn't quite make it into the top 50 films on IMDb this decade. But the comment I made wasn't just at Cars. ... For me, the best music (non genre specific) is going to benefit from a decent playback system. On the other hand the best films don't always need to have the best video and sound playback because the most important aspect (for me) is the script.

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I dont like it either, always get a headache!


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Originally Posted by VinylNutter
I dont like it either, always get a headache!
Me too, simply unbearable physically.


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I certainly can't watch active 3d, but I have no problem with passive. I recently accompanied one of my sons to buy a 3d tv and neither of us could watch active on any set we tested. He ended up with a passive LG 55"


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Shaun, have you thought about speaking or writing to your local cinema's manager? Judging by opinion polls all around the world, you are not alone.


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I was flying out of Beijing (or was it Shenzhen - my memory is going) a couple of weeks ago and they had 3D screens above the Immigration/security check zone.

Sure the screens were relatively small and the picture wasn't the most natural or best I've ever seen but the 3D effects did work - which I wasn't really expecting even though we weren't wearing glasses.

It was sufficiently impressive that a colleague I was travelling with who was in a separate queue had also notice and commented about them when we got together again on the other side.

So maybe the no glasses technology isn't so far away.

Chris


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It would be nice but I wouldn�t hold your breath. It�s going to be immensely difficult to generate a good glasses-free 3D effect on screen size worth having. The difference in perspective angle between the right and left eye is tiny. And, any 3D effect would have to work over a reasonable viewing angle. A 3D laser projector may be�.


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I've never seen any active 3D, only passive at the cinema but I certainly don't have any problem physically with that format.
I agree that it's a mixed bag. When done well (not too common) then it definitely adds something to the experience. I can still remember watching Avatar at the cinema & there were many times when I simply could not believe what I was seeing. I thought you needed to take LSD to get an experience like that.
I'm sure it's also stunning to look at in 2D so my observations aren't fully objective but the 3D showing blew me away.
I can imagine maybe 1% of films at home might be in 3D but if it doesn't compromise 2D performance then I can't see why I wouldn't buy a 3D PJ.
If anything, the extra requirements of 3D (extra brightness) seems to be improving 2D performance so it's win win!


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In an attempt to be more constructive then my previous posts on this subject, I thought I'd bring to your attention the following from Martin Scorsese:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-15941848

I also heard a great interview with him on the radio today:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b017mwrn/The_Film_Programme_01_12_2011/

The interviewer was asking the question why do we need 3D when we all you need is a good story (my point) and he responded with people said the same about sound and colour when it was first used and that these early films weren't great either because people didn't know how to use the formats. It opened my mind to 3D's potential.

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