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I've been following these threads and am a bit baffled. Some people like the sound of Mark Levinson, Krell, Theta, Classe, Lexicon, etc. better than the Meridian. Ken and his ADA are no different. It could be the associated equipment but is more likely individual preference. Finding an explanation for that preference is an exercise in futility. To each his own. No it's not. Two debates going on. ADA has Slam and Tight Bass and Meridian does not. And with using an external EQ Box at that. My argument is he destroyed the bass with Meridian and destroyed it less with the ADA. Second is Running all Large Speakers vs Multiple Mono Subs. A resaonable debate and I certainly respect both sides. But I prefer all Large and less subs for better imaging and directionality even if my bass is less optimally placed.
- Fiddler (IMHO)
If you think listening to music is fun, try learning an instrument.
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Well, after you fix his bass issues, your going to need to fix this as well: For ME where the Meridian had this overall ambiance, it lacked detail. Where every channel on satellite sounded the same on the Meridian, for the ADA the good channels/content sounded good and the bad channels/content didn't sound as good. Some people may say look what Meridian can do. I will counter with Meridian adds color and its own signature where the ADA is more neutral.
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I've been following these threads and am a bit baffled. Some people like the sound of Mark Levinson, Krell, Theta, Classe, Lexicon, etc. better than the Meridian. Ken and his ADA are no different. It could be the associated equipment but is more likely individual preference. Finding an explanation for that preference is an exercise in futility. To each his own. No it's not. Two debates going on. ADA has Slam and Tight Bass and Meridian does not. And with using an external EQ Box at that. My argument is he destroyed the bass with Meridian and destroyed it less with the ADA. Really? Tell me how I destroyed it less with the ADA? You really should run for office. Ken
Meridian 861v6, HD621, G98, Pioneer BD-09, Mark Levinson 436 monoblocks, Aerial Acoustics 20T, CC5, SR3, SW12, Mark Seaton Submersives, QSC 322, Runco Vx22D, Lumagen Radiance XE
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I've been following these threads and am a bit baffled. Some people like the sound of Mark Levinson, Krell, Theta, Classe, Lexicon, etc. better than the Meridian. Ken and his ADA are no different. It could be the associated equipment but is more likely individual preference. To each his own. DING, DING, DING, we have a winner! Frank, don't try to use logic.  Thanks for not drinking the Meridian Koolaid. Ken We each choose our own poison. No need to refer to "drinking Meridian Koolaid". +1 for Frank Gary
My Kit: Trinnov Altitude 32,Oppo BDP 203, Sony 600es, Martin Logan Neoliths Mains with VTL Siegfried II's, ML CLX's, ML Renaissance, 5 ML Theaters,13 ML Vanquish, 6 ML Edges, 6 ML Axis' 8 Velodyne DD-18+'s, Pass Labs 600.8,Pass Labs 160.8, Pass labs 160.5, Bryston 14B-SST, 6B-SST,6 Bryston 9BSST^2's, 14' Stewart Screen, Berkely Alpha DAC RS
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Well, after you fix his bass issues, your going to need to fix this as well: For ME where the Meridian had this overall ambiance, it lacked detail. Where every channel on satellite sounded the same on the Meridian, for the ADA the good channels/content sounded good and the bad channels/content didn't sound as good. Some people may say look what Meridian can do. I will counter with Meridian adds color and its own signature where the ADA is more neutral. I never said one thing about detail. If he likes the detail of ADA (I should say QSC), good for him.
- Fiddler (IMHO)
If you think listening to music is fun, try learning an instrument.
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[quote=Frank]I've been following these threads and am a bit baffled. Some people like the sound of Mark Levinson, Krell, Theta, Classe, Lexicon, etc. better than the Meridian. Ken and his ADA are no different. It could be the associated equipment but is more likely individual preference. Finding an explanation for that preference is an exercise in futility. To each his own. No it's not. Two debates going on. ADA has Slam and Tight Bass and Meridian does not. And with using an external EQ Box at that. My argument is he destroyed the bass with Meridian and destroyed it less with the ADA. Really? Tell me how I destroyed it less with the ADA? You really should run for office. Ken [/quote] Since you keep wanting to switch this debate to a Fanboy/Coolaide (i.e. same sort of thing that always happens on avforums) rather than answer technical questions you've already proven my point. Maybe you need time to go check them, take your time 
- Fiddler (IMHO)
If you think listening to music is fun, try learning an instrument.
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Careful Ken, I have owned Meridian gear for nearly 15 years and drink the Meridian Kool-Aid for hours every day. It suits me and the music I prefer. Wish I had the cash to relieve you of your Meridian 861/HD621 boat anchor.
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Thanks for not drinking the Meridian Koolaid.
Ken Yesterday evening I drank champagne at the newly built home of friends who had just arrived back in the area. They have a Meridian entertainment system that we all enjoyed. There was talk about the possiblity of putting one in their little ship.
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[quote=Frank]I've been following these threads and am a bit baffled. Some people like the sound of Mark Levinson, Krell, Theta, Classe, Lexicon, etc. better than the Meridian. Ken and his ADA are no different. It could be the associated equipment but is more likely individual preference. To each his own. DING, DING, DING, we have a winner! Frank, don't try to use logic. Thanks for not drinking the Meridian Koolaid. Ken We each choose our own poison. No need to refer to "drinking Meridian Koolaid". +1 for Frank Gary [/quote] My point was that sometimes people put blinders on and only want to know what they want to know. Kind of like a sports fan that dies for their team for better or worse. Ken
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Ken, one last time if you could please answer one question.
Is the ADA set to crossover all channels at 80hz? Or are they set all Large? Or a mix?
Very simple question both EvdBerg and I asked.
There is no right or wrong answer we'd just like to know.
- Fiddler (IMHO)
If you think listening to music is fun, try learning an instrument.
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I actually run 5 subs off the single sub output from 861. I can not think of a single valid reason to do this. Ofcourse I do not know your precise (861) config, so maybe you want to elaborate? As you already stated yourself, it is very difficult to get it right, and I personally doubt that you will ever get it really right. Well, I run MRC with a single sub attached to the 861, with all bass crossed over at 30 hz. I then add in the other four subs, and manually adjust them for physical position, phase, and output level to get as flat bass as possible at my primary listening spot (measure by SPL meter and by ear). This was the only way, in my room, that I could get flat response down to 20hz. Perhaps I cannot ever get perfection, but it sounds a heck of a lot better than it used to in the low bass (and better than any other home system I've had the opportunity to hear).
My Kit: 861v8+ID41, 800v4, UHD722, MD600, MS600, MS200, Oppo BDP-203, Genesis 201, Genesis 350 SE, Genesis S4-8 Sub, BG 520i, VTL MB450 II, Krell Showcase 7, Genesis 928 Subs, Danley DTS10 sub, SVS Ultra 16 subs.
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@Simon,
Thanks for your reply. I can see how that can work, to have the 5 subs reinforce each other in the sweet spot, especially for the limited frequency range (20-30Hz). However I do think this is a very special case, and it is great that it works for you.
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