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I agree, we probably couldn't, because you lumped it all into one channel .

I should preface my reply above that my priority is also music and movies second.

I also agree as you scale up in room size it becomes difficult/expensive to have "LARGE" speakers that moves enough air. But you can go a long ways with 5 or 7 speakers of 8K caliber before you find yourself short on bass.

I don't think it's a bad idea to throw in an LFE sub (or 2) to get below 20Hz. But spreading that out among 7 LARGE speakers may work too. But taking content designated for the large speakers that has some directional content is the problem (to some of us). Keep in mind something like 7 8K's is 14 mono subs (left and right) that's 42 woofers moving more gently distributed around the room maintaining orginal content. The only channel that has no directionality is the LFE channel.

It is not lumped into one channel.

Btw, you were better off before you made this last reply as it really shows your ignorance. If the subs are placed correctly and equalized correctly, one channel or multiple channels would both sound good and without localization.

You are trying to say that all subs coming from one single output will make it so that there is no sub localization? Wow, you just solved the audio worlds biggest problem. You're a genius!

You should take the "We" out of your statement for the people that would not want to be included into it.
Ken

It is not lumped into one channel.

Btw, you were better off before you made this last reply as it really shows your ignorance. If the subs are placed correctly and equalized correctly, one channel or multiple channels would both sound good and without localization.

You are trying to say that all subs coming from one single output will make it so that there is no sub localization? Wow, you just solved the audio worlds biggest problem. You're a genius!

You should take the "We" out of your statement for the people that would not want to be included into it.
Ken [/quote]

No, you've lost low frequency directionality content in the 5/7 channels.
No matter how good you setup your subs.
You need to take a step back and at least appreciate the argument because I perfectly respect the argument for subs due to optimal placement. But you gain a whole bunch of other issues.

That's the debate. It's a seperate debate on how well you can set up 4 mono subs.

Unless I misunderstood how you have ADA and QSC setup.

If you ran 7 Large and LFE into QSC and the QSC did the crossovers and kept channels seperate so that you have a Left Front Main Sub, Right Front Main Sub, Center Sub (From those channels and kept seperate and Subs located NEAR those speakers yeah that will work and is doing basically what I suggested a while back). My understand is you are NOT doing that when you said ADA is crossed over at 80hz. I assume that was to one channel. But if the ADA Natively supports 4 subs. Then yeah, great, ADA was a better match. Why you'd need a QSC then I don't understand. But my understand is your using the ADA the same way you used 861. Cross over Preamp at 80hz and then hand off all channels to QSC. If your running everything through QSC I don't understand why you'd have any crossover in Preamp. Run all Large and LFE and let QSC do everything. I don't know how advanced QSC is and how it keeps these channels seperate or not. But you could have done the same with Meridian. It does not does like that given the trickles of bits of information. But you said you crossover Preamp at 80hz. Right there by doing that direction low frequency content is lost for good.

Interesting comment.

I have NOT heard any of the speakers in this system so my observations are based purely on the manufacturers specifications.

Reviewing the specs of your speakers, I would imagine that your surrounds (two or four?) would be bass light and need directional reinforcement. Your centre is claimed to go to 350hz at -6db so could be termed bass light and I also notice it is very insensitive (and very attractive compared to most centres). The mains look like they are very bass capable and I recall that the reviews praised their seamless top-to-bottom coherence.

It seems reasonable to assume that a 250w ML monoblock is not any kind of limiting factor.

I had therefore assumed that the reason you had gone for such a complex set-up was because you wanted the bass to image in the same way as the higher frequencies. What you seem to be doing is trying to spread the LFE channel around the room. Or are you also processing some of the other channels to try and get your sought-after "slam"? In which case you surely have traded off imaging if it is directionless?

You know what you want and what you like, I am not questioning that - just understanding what you have achieved and how. And trying to understand how such a potentially capable set of components could have produced so disappointing a result.

Your dissecting his components be careful

I agree, the more channels he could leave uncrossed over the better.

But the only info presented by Ken here is 80Hz crossover in preamp and all channels going into QSC.

And the bottom line here is basically Gianni's last sentence. It's really not a fanboy issue. I think a lot of folks here realize there are very capable other preamps. It's us wanting understand (not because we keep our heads in the sand).

If you said ADA can handle 4 subs directly. End of story.
If you said ADA can cross over each channel indiviually which solves a problem later down the line that might be a reason QSC works better.
If you gave a specific feature in the ADA that would make sense to solving and extremely complex setup we might buy it. But your post implied it was simply the quality of the signal. Sorry we don't buy that.

But you didn't. You're opening post on avforums implies you setup up both more or less the same swapped in the ADA and magic happened that never happened with Meridian. Meridian as too good and too long a track record to swallow that. Call it fanboy if you so wish.

And I do believe they may sound quite different. I personally suspect you have no idea why And if you did understand why you could have made the Meridian just as good.

It is not lumped into one channel.

Btw, you were better off before you made this last reply as it really shows your ignorance. If the subs are placed correctly and equalized correctly, one channel or multiple channels would both sound good and without localization.

You are trying to say that all subs coming from one single output will make it so that there is no sub localization? Wow, you just solved the audio worlds biggest problem. You're a genius!

You should take the "We" out of your statement for the people that would not want to be included into it.
Ken [/quote]

No, you've lost low frequency directionality content in the 5/7 channels.
No matter how good you setup your subs.
You need to take a step back and at least appreciate the argument because I perfectly respect the argument for subs due to optimal placement. But you gain a whole bunch of other issues.

That's the debate. It's a seperate debate on how well you can set up 4 mono subs.

Unless I misunderstood how you have ADA and QSC setup.

If you ran 7 Large and LFE into QSC and the QSC did the crossovers and kept channels seperate so that you have a Left Front Main Sub, Right Front Main Sub, Center Sub (From those channels and kept seperate and Subs located NEAR those speakers yeah that will work and is doing basically what I suggested a while back). My understand is you are NOT doing that when you said ADA is crossed over at 80hz. I assume that was to one channel. But if the ADA Natively supports 4 subs. Then yeah, great, ADA was a better match. Why you'd need a QSC then I don't understand. But my understand is your using the ADA the same way you used 861. Cross over Preamp at 80hz and then hand off all channels to QSC. If your running everything through QSC I don't understand why you'd have any crossover in Preamp. Run all Large and LFE and let QSC do everything. I don't know how advanced QSC is and how it keeps these channels seperate or not. But you could have done the same with Meridian. It does not does like that given the trickles of bits of information. But you said you crossover Preamp at 80hz. Right there by doing that direction low frequency content is lost for good.
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EACH = All channels (L-R-C, sub, etc) from the SSP (Meridian and now ADA) goes into it's own channel input of the QSC. The QSC is handling 80 hz and below. It is not touching anything above 80 hz.
Ken

I've been following these threads and am a bit baffled. Some people like the sound of Mark Levinson, Krell, Theta, Classe, Lexicon, etc. better than the Meridian. Ken and his ADA are no different. It could be the associated equipment but is more likely individual preference. Finding an explanation for that preference is an exercise in futility. To each his own.

Since you've yet to give the whole picture I suspect your over your head. Because you would understand what we are looking for if you did. It would be over most peoples heads and that's not meant as an insult.

You said ADA is crossed over at 80hz a bunch of posts back. Is that true YES or NO.

Are your subs "Mono" or do you have designated subs for respective source channels they came from. That is, do you have a Left Front sub that was Crossed over from JUST the Left Front Channel. etc.

I'm glad your sticking with the thread and not getting personal. This is not a personal attack. We want to understand.

And in the SSP all channels are then configured as large, effectively disabling bass management?

DING, DING, DING, we have a winner!

Frank, don't try to use logic.

Thanks for not drinking the Meridian Koolaid.
Ken

EvdBerg is asking the same question but I made it more specific See bolded red text I added.

If I want a nice long relaxing evening I go to Sys 2.

If I want to annex the Sudatenland (copyright John Peel circa 1975) I go to Sys 1.