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I have tried to look up what you have but, you seem to like companies with poor websites http://www.seatonsound.net/ Yes I know there is a forum but I like reading spec sheets.

I couldn't find anything on a QSC 322 Analysis unit you use for calibration.

Although I didn't read the whole thread on AVSForums it didn't look too bad.

Joel's responses make more sense to me. He says they are just different and prefers ADA, how can anyone argue with that. But again it gets under my skin (and please don't take it personally you're just trying to share your observations with the rest of us) but when you say your wife noticed the house shaking more with one system vs the other. To me, that's not the refined differences you might find between one +$10k preamp and another (both running optimally). You may not say you hated Meridian but it sure comes close to saying you really thought it was not at all close. Something just feels wrong (gut feel). Perhaps it is compatibility issues but I don't buy that. Perhaps you have a phase or timing issue or something causing something to get canceled. You can spend an amazing amount of time tinkering stuff. That's partly why I love the DSP's (Especially full range ones). Whole lot stuff I can't get wrong.

Not sure how you ran MRC, but you CAN destroy the sound with MRC if you are not careful.

I remember that too George..At first Meridian insisted that there was noting wrong with the unit, but finally they decided to replaced it.

Nick, my apologies to you sir as I miised this point...

Ian, thank you for pointing this out to me, it is appreciated...

A few things to note:

@ George: The QSC 322 is a professional equalizer that he is using for room correction [i.e. not room calibration]...the URL is http://www.qsc.com/products/network/DSP/dsp_322ua.php

@ George: The calibration / setup to which Ken refers was in all likelihhod done properly as it was done by a professional who is very familiar with Meridian kit...and, if anything, it was probably optimized...

@ George: The comments are about a company's website are a slipery slope...M's website before the upgrade was dated and, honestly, let us not even discuss the quality control surrounding their spec sheets and manuals...

@All: The cut/spec sheets follows You just need to know where to look)...it is best to print and then read it...








The direct link is http://i883.photobucket.com/albums/ac39/Joelc1964/Cinema_Rhapsody_MachIV_B_Cutsheet.jpg

Joel,
I appreciate the comments but it is of no use with someone of King George's stature. He tries to come of as all knowing and helpful but really wants to be condescending. Can you imagine this guy is looking up my equipment list to see if it meets his approval? He sits there in judgement.

He cannot be defeated! If you look in the dictionary under "Fanboy", you will see George's picture. Holly freakin' crap, this guy has 7336 posts!! Does he ever get out of the chair to actually listen to music and movies? I'll bet if he is able to get out his front door due the lack of exercise from making posts, and get to his car, it probably has bumper stickers on it "Honk if you love Meridian".
Ken

Ken,

As one Ken to another I think you've gone over the top. This is a forum dedicated to Meridian equipment, right? George is not "undefeatable" as you put it. He's questioning your position with some valid points and the recent experience of another member and that's fine with me. You've taken this thread to a personal level and that's not fine with me. You've invested in some of the best Meridian has to offer and your opinions are valuable here but keep it civilized OK?

Ken

Sorry I don't stoop down to that level and won't return in kind.

You've only discredited yourself with that post.

Sorry, but George is out of place here. First by dissecting the equipment I own and making irrelevant comments about their websites etc. This has nothing to do with the equipment or their performance. Then by trying to tell me how there must be something wrong with my 861 or I set it up wrong in order for me to be happier with the ADA piece rather than Meridian. Of course it would be impossible for something other than a Meridian to sound better TO ME. That is called no holds barred I stick with my brand no matter what. Relax guys, its s freakin piece of equipment. It's not your wife.

Think about my original post in its most simple form. I owned both pieces, took the 30 day test drive on the ADA and preferred it. I preferred it so much that I am willing to take a huge financial loss.

You guys aren't even willing to take the 30 days trial and get your money back if you're not happy. That makes you Fanboys or just afraid what you may find out after you tried the ADA.

I know I got heated, but for someone to tell me that my opinion on what I heard in my HT is wrong defies logic. To then also say that IF what I did hear was better, then it's because the Meridian must be broken is just plain bizarre.
Ken

Web sites are pet peeve of mine. That's all and I wasn't all that serious about it. I misquoted what the Mark IV was because of the poor web site. If they showed a balanced unit I would have taken it more seriously from the get go.

I'm dissecting your equipment? I never said anything about your other equipment !!
What I did say is I had difficult time finding anything on some of it and to me, that's an issue.
To someone else they might like that Mom & Pop small shop feeling.

You kind of hinted/bragged about asking folks to LOOK AT EQUIPMENT to show you were not plugging 861 into junk and you were seriously invested.
If you don't like folks checking out your equipment, stop listing it and bragging about it. You must have dozens posts on your equalizer.
I respected your comments and checked out what you had that changed your mind.
Then you slam me for checking out your equipment list. Talk about baffling.

I even tried to say your 861v6 was a bargain to help you move it. Real nice guy.

I do think something was wrong if the Meridian was as bad (inferior) to the ADA as your posts claim. NOT for you choosing ADA. Just for how you described how inferior 861v6 was. But that is just my opinion. And I don't give a crap who set it up. I think something was wrong. And I certainly could be wrong about that. It's just a gut feeling something was wrong. Because I KNOW an 861 (even a v4) can have slam and be tight, period. And most know that on this forum. I have no doubt ADA has Slam and can be tight too and I suspect most on this forum agree with that too.

What bothered me about the whole thing is. The poor web site bit me. The marketing gimick about using all the bass in your speakers and subs. And how the 861 has no slam but the ADA does. Not that you chose an ADA.

Joel's tone is quite different and respectful of the differences and how he explained them.

Enjoy your system.

This worries me the most. My experience is that it is not a good thing to proces the output of a Meridian processor with other gear, it will only degrade the quality. Also it is not quite clear to me why you would need it, as the 861 has MRC. Roomtune is very important to get great sound, so I would not just route this through the QSC and disable MRC.

Evdberg please understand that I am *NOT* diagreeing with your opinion because everyone is entitled to them and they are, after all, each person's truth but, and this is a big but, your statement is challenging many of the "recognized authorities" in home theatre design such as Cinermax, Dennis Erskine, JBL Synthesis, and many more all of whom use EQ in all of their installations...

I will even point out that Dennis Erskine is a very strong advocate and supporter of Meridian and that he -- even in installations that use 861's -- uses QSC equalization in all such instalations...

I will further note that the EQ capabilities within pro pieces such as the QSC are far more capable than that which Meridian provides...I know because I had/have played with both [i.e. I use to own an 861V4/HD621 combination and I now own an ADA Rhapsody MACH IV B/QSC 922uz combination]...

Somehow or other that has spread across here, with added rudeness to an old established member. I think you can take it all back to AVS or wherever it came from. The information, thanks Joel, I am interested in. But not the rudeness. I happen to think Mr Mills is correct with his double-bass theory. What is your EQ device doing to the preamp output if it's so different, surely it should be the same?