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Just asking if anyone has this combination is there a big gain in audio ?
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Yes - similar (861v6 and 818v3),
My front L/R speakers are driven from the 818v3. The centre and rears are driven from the 861v6. The front SpeakerLink output is fed into the SpeakerLink input on the 818v3. Nearly all sources are mirrored on both units.
This gives me full MQA from the 818v3 and full surround when I watch movies. I also have the 800v4's aux digital out directly into the 818v3 for MQA CD playback. The ID41 links to Roon.
A bit experimental to setup - you need to tweak timings to keep fronts and centre in check, and run two separate configs, but works well for me!
Cheers,
Steve
Main: 861v6 (LPS), 808v6, UHD722, DSP8000SE Anniversaries, DSP5200HC, DSP7200.2, SW1600, Sky Q, Cambridge Audio BD, Roon, M80
Office: 861v4 (LPS), 818v3, 800v4, HD621, M&K S150P, DSP5500HC, M&K MPS2810 sub x2
Son's system: 861v4, HD621, DSP6000.2, DSP5k.2C, DSP33, F80
Spare: MCD, 100 Series, 200 Series, 500 Series, C15s.
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... you need to tweak timings to keep fronts and centre in check Hi Steve, Did you conclude what signal latency was for the 818.3? (From a conversation way back when with Richard Hollinshead I have 3.5ms in mind.) Regards, Carl
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Thank you for the info, does it give a lot better sound than the 861? I don't play Roon I'm just running Spotify digital.
861v8, HD621, 818v3. Panasonic 9000. DSP7200SE, DSP7200.2HC, DSP5200.2, DSW.2
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Hi Carl,
It depends...
The way that I currently use my system with the 818v3 driving M&K analogue active monitors, I've added 1ms to the 861v6's centre / sub outputs and it sounds fantastic.
When I tried to make it work with the 7200SE's, I added the 3.5ms and it didn't sound right - I experimented for some time and couldn't get it to be coherent, it was always just a 'bit' out...
Do bear in mind that I was mixing legacy (5500HC / SW1600) and 7200SE's - so there's bound to be timing differences somewhere...
I've tried it on a friend's system with the additional 3.5ms and that sounded awful - We experimented for some time and got it OK (but not perfect), so most likely going to utilise D2 on the speakers for the 861 input (D1 goes to his 808v6)
My friend's room is an absolute nightmare to get anything sounding good - it takes two subs to give you low frequencies and that's with 7200's, 5500HC and 6K's!!
I think it is a case of try it and see how it works - if you can get it to sound 'right', it is a great solution, if not, utilise the 2nd digital input on the DSPs!
Cheers,
Steve
Main: 861v6 (LPS), 808v6, UHD722, DSP8000SE Anniversaries, DSP5200HC, DSP7200.2, SW1600, Sky Q, Cambridge Audio BD, Roon, M80
Office: 861v4 (LPS), 818v3, 800v4, HD621, M&K S150P, DSP5500HC, M&K MPS2810 sub x2
Son's system: 861v4, HD621, DSP6000.2, DSP5k.2C, DSP33, F80
Spare: MCD, 100 Series, 200 Series, 500 Series, C15s.
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With regards to sound - Yes!
As I listen to a lot of MQA material, I would not want it going anywhere near the 861 as that will strip the MQA encoding.
Even before I had MQA, the 861 could sound a little 'flat' and less engaging in comparison to the 818v3.
As I'm now using Analogue active monitors, the analogue output stage on the 818v3 seriously trumps the 861's OA18's.
I used to use the 818v3 connected via USB to my PC and streamed Spotify with good effect - moving to Roon/Tidal (with MQA) is another level...
Cheers,
Steve
Main: 861v6 (LPS), 808v6, UHD722, DSP8000SE Anniversaries, DSP5200HC, DSP7200.2, SW1600, Sky Q, Cambridge Audio BD, Roon, M80
Office: 861v4 (LPS), 818v3, 800v4, HD621, M&K S150P, DSP5500HC, M&K MPS2810 sub x2
Son's system: 861v4, HD621, DSP6000.2, DSP5k.2C, DSP33, F80
Spare: MCD, 100 Series, 200 Series, 500 Series, C15s.
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Hi Steve,
I use the Ultra DAC and 861v8 in the same way as you. What setting do you use for the 861 front L/R SpeakerLink out?
I have it set to DSP speakers to get the correct level into the Ultra. The step up in sound quality is very noticeable.
Regards Colin.
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Hi Colin,
Likewise - the 861 is set to output to digital speakers.
I definitely notice the improvement in sound quality and also the flexibility for two-channel and surround.
I'm not at the point where I can justify an Ultra DAC yet!
Cheers,
Steve
Main: 861v6 (LPS), 808v6, UHD722, DSP8000SE Anniversaries, DSP5200HC, DSP7200.2, SW1600, Sky Q, Cambridge Audio BD, Roon, M80
Office: 861v4 (LPS), 818v3, 800v4, HD621, M&K S150P, DSP5500HC, M&K MPS2810 sub x2
Son's system: 861v4, HD621, DSP6000.2, DSP5k.2C, DSP33, F80
Spare: MCD, 100 Series, 200 Series, 500 Series, C15s.
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Thank chaps
I was looking at the ultra DAC for sale on eBay a lot more Money than 818 used. I can buy a 808v6 which will allow to spin a disk on as well
861v8, HD621, 818v3. Panasonic 9000. DSP7200SE, DSP7200.2HC, DSP5200.2, DSW.2
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Im looking at an 818v3 for sale on here. Just looking at the rear of the 818 its only got 1 SpeakerLink input, so from the 861v8 has 2 outputs one for left and right what connections go from 861 to 818 sorry about being a bit thick on this
861v8, HD621, 818v3. Panasonic 9000. DSP7200SE, DSP7200.2HC, DSP5200.2, DSW.2
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On the L and R outputs of the 861, they both carry the left and right signal. This allows either home run or daisy chained speakers.
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I have just joined Roon and Tidal im running coax out at moment from PC i have the ID41 card in the 861 but its not showing in Roon the green light on the ID41 is flashing  Do you have to configure the ID41 in the 861 Thanks
861v8, HD621, 818v3. Panasonic 9000. DSP7200SE, DSP7200.2HC, DSP5200.2, DSW.2
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