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Lads,

I’ve really missed my Control:10 since M stopped them being useful. This little project has taken a while, but I’m one of those ‘hundred projects at once’ sort of guys.



Cheers,
Jason.

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I just recently put a few control units back in service. And would love to fully them with my Roon endpoints.


M2.0>ROON: C15/DSP6K
C2.2>ROON: ALLO DIGIONE/DSP5K+D2500x2
W2.2>ROON: C10/DSP33+D2500
R2.0>ROON R: MiniDSP SHD>SCHIIT Freya+(Forkbeard)>3eAudio A7 Mono>>>Apogee Scintilla

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Jason,

Great stuff. Have you (as I plan to do but, too many projects, not yet done) put a small Intel board into your C10/15 case (I am intending to cannibalise a fairly old NUC)? If so, which LVDS interface/converter have you used? I found one very cheaply on eBay (from Singapore I think) but didn't buy it then.

I still love the C10/15 form factor and want to use mine as interfaces for Roon. I bought a low profile riser card and a Radeon (very cheap but OpenGL 3) video card on spec so I could retain the original motherboard, but I don't think it is going to fit in so I have switched to the NUC idea. But I have only dreamed so far and you have done it, so well done!

Nick


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I have successfully converted a Control:15 to become a full touchscreen Roon controller and audio endpoint. Tested with Roon 1.8

There is no need to change out any hardware - everything runs successfully on the original hardware (for performance - change out the hard disk for an SSD).
The only functionality lost is that of the CD drive.

If anyone would like further information, please feel free to PM me.

Cheers,
Steve


Main: 861v6 (LPS), 808v6, UHD722, DSP8000SE Anniversaries, DSP5200.2HC, DSP7200.2, SW1600, Sky Q, Cambridge Audio BD, Roon, M80
Office: 861v4 (LPS), 818v3, 800v4, HD621, M&K S150P, DSP5500HC, M&K MPS2810 sub x2
Son's system: 861v4, HD621, DSP6000.2, DSP5200HC, DSP33
Spare: MCD, 100 Series, 200 Series, 500 Series, F80s, C15s.
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Steve, why didn’t you speak up? You might have saved me the trouble!

I did get Roon running on the original hardware, using Roon Extensions and a web browser, but it was pretty horrible to use, and didn’t really resemble Roon or Sooloos.

This time I’ve pretty much gutted the old girl. There’s a new LCD controller, new backlight controller, new touch controller, and the guts of a NUC. It runs Windows 10.

What is great about doing it this way is that you get all of the modern connectivity. No ethernet cable required, it has wifi.

It also streams directly to my Bluetooth headphones. I always thought the original should have had a headphone output.

Steve, why not post something so we can all see what you’ve accomplished?

Cheers,
Jason.


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Hi Jason,

The upgrade only works on the latter Control-15 devices with a specific motherboard. I'm still working on updating a Control-10 but have run into the same problems as you did!

This only converts the Control-15 into a touch-screen Roon Remote (with audio endpoint), it will not support core or store functionality, although it is fairly easy to modify an MC200 to become a Roon core & store.

I will post more information soon along with pictures of the unit in operation. There are still a few unanswered questions that need to be resolved...

Cheers,

Steve


Main: 861v6 (LPS), 808v6, UHD722, DSP8000SE Anniversaries, DSP5200.2HC, DSP7200.2, SW1600, Sky Q, Cambridge Audio BD, Roon, M80
Office: 861v4 (LPS), 818v3, 800v4, HD621, M&K S150P, DSP5500HC, M&K MPS2810 sub x2
Son's system: 861v4, HD621, DSP6000.2, DSP5200HC, DSP33
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That's excellent Steve. With all of the other Core options available, a C10 or C15 really only needs to run Roon Control, and optionally be an endpoint.

Yes, the Control:10 motherboard is an unfriendly beast. I tried what I thought was reasonable, but every option was really heading for a dead end. I even spoke with the engineer who designed it, but he was not helpful, just saying it was too old, move on.

I'm still determined to make something out of it.....

I can't wait to see what you've done!

Cheers,
Jason.


Lounge: DSP5200SL (L-R), DSW, 218, Michell Tecnodec, G98DH, tape deck.

Shed: DSP3100HC mains with twin analogue subs, 568, MS200. This sounds waay better than it should.

Storage: Way too much Meridian stuff, but I'm culling.
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The most important thing for me in the implementation would be the ability to zone/group with other M gear.


M2.0>ROON: C15/DSP6K
C2.2>ROON: ALLO DIGIONE/DSP5K+D2500x2
W2.2>ROON: C10/DSP33+D2500
R2.0>ROON R: MiniDSP SHD>SCHIIT Freya+(Forkbeard)>3eAudio A7 Mono>>>Apogee Scintilla

Projects. ROON streamer with serial RS232 volume control
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That's pretty awesome, one of my C15's just died.


C15, QNAP TS453a, 218 (3u), MS600, Roon Nucleus+ 4TB SSD
2Ch: Devialet 250 PRO, Focal Scala, Velodyne DD10+ (2u), PS Audio P12, Transparent MM2
HT: Anthem 1140 & 540 8K AVR, Panasonic BD, 7.2: Triad & DD10+
JVC RS4300, Stewart 110" screen,
House: Triad Amps, Sonance speakers, PS Audio P10
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Hi Jason,

Do you have part list & instructions for the modification?

Thanks,
David


C15, QNAP TS453a, 218 (3u), MS600, Roon Nucleus+ 4TB SSD
2Ch: Devialet 250 PRO, Focal Scala, Velodyne DD10+ (2u), PS Audio P12, Transparent MM2
HT: Anthem 1140 & 540 8K AVR, Panasonic BD, 7.2: Triad & DD10+
JVC RS4300, Stewart 110" screen,
House: Triad Amps, Sonance speakers, PS Audio P10

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