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#277209 - 2018-06-17 21:02 Re: 271 + Trinnov Altitude [Re: CMB Integrations - Bruce]
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The 271 is the game changer allowing you to keep your DSPs and break free from the 861 with ease.


Regards
Peter

Trinnov Altitude 32.16, 271, 5500*2, 7200HC, 5000*2, 320*4, Sim2 HD300 Link, Stewart Screen, LG OLED, Oppo BDP-103+203, HDI Dune Prime 3, 40TB NAS
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#277212 - 2018-06-17 21:06 Re: 271 + Trinnov Altitude [Re: PWM]
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Agreed. I forgot to mention the McIntosh and the Datasat.


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#277213 - 2018-06-17 21:36 Re: 271 + Trinnov Altitude [Re: PWM]
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Glad to hear you've got it more or less sorted. Your experience closely echoes mine going from the 861v8 to the Altitude32. The crispness with which MC material (both film and music) is delivered is simply amazing. Expect further significant improvements to music replay when you start playing with the target curve.


Main system - Sources (Kodi-HTPC, Vero 4k, FireTV, Sat) into Trinnov Altitude 32 (8-16) (+Roon), Trinnov Amplitude 8 amp & Vivid Audio (Giya G3, V1.5) and REL Stentor III speakers. Others: F80 + Raspberry Pi and other Pi systems.
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#277217 - 2018-06-18 06:13 Re: 271 + Trinnov Altitude [Re: Cliff.]
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Cliff and PWM,

Maybe you can try to test Aura 3D upmix from STANDARD stereo sources and tell how it sounds?
Artificial, realistic, bad...?

Thanks Robert


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#277224 - 2018-06-18 09:47 Re: 271 + Trinnov Altitude [Re: RobertW]
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Hi Robert

I sometimes use a 4.0 speaker layout for stereo sources in which the Auro-3D upmixer brings in the rear channels. The sound is closest to Meridian's Trifield with the rear speakers providing a bit of subtle support to the front two. The sound is quite natural and it's not obvious the rear speakers are active. You could also play around with the relative gains to enhance or reduce the rear effect. I haven't done any experimentation in this respect.

I've also played with my full speaker layout again using the Auro-3D upmixer. In this case you get a more 'hall-like' sound which is really good for some rock tracks. There are endless possible tweaks with respect to the relative gain settings of the various speakers sets and bass management options which I haven't played with.




Main system - Sources (Kodi-HTPC, Vero 4k, FireTV, Sat) into Trinnov Altitude 32 (8-16) (+Roon), Trinnov Amplitude 8 amp & Vivid Audio (Giya G3, V1.5) and REL Stentor III speakers. Others: F80 + Raspberry Pi and other Pi systems.
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#277225 - 2018-06-18 10:20 Re: 271 + Trinnov Altitude [Re: Cliff.]
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Thanks Cliff.

The reason for asking is that I have the 4 channel Trinnov Amethyst but can't upmix. ***

Streaming either over the ID40 or 218 with Trifield or music preset with all my 7 speakers doesn't sound as good as just streaming direct from Trinnov and L/R speakers, it was was a big surprise for me.
On some music it's not a big difference, but mainly for my music taste that are remarkable.

So I am in a dilemma right now, as with a pure M chain the DSP presets sounds better as just L/R.
So my wish is to use the Altitude to have the better sound/streaming and also the upmix to make it even a better (hope so) sound.
The ambience and more equal bass generation of 7 speakers I want miss, what I can't use now when I stream from Trinnov, just when I stream from 861 or 218. ***

So for me the main question is, how does the Aura upmix sound when the important center speaker is involved?
Here in Austria they are no cinema or music room with a Trinnov altitude and three identical high quality front speakers, so I can get impression how the upmix can sound compared to the upmix/presets from M...

Cliff do you stream with Roon Ready and Tidal, and if so, how many speaker are you use and how does it sounds?

My experience with Amethyst and MQA:

As Trinnov doesn't support MQA switch both off "MQA support"/"decoder" and "render" as otherwise the Trinnov will not replay the first-step unpacked MQA stream from TIDAL correctly. Then Trinnov just plays the unfolded basic music stream.


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#277226 - 2018-06-18 11:43 Re: 271 + Trinnov Altitude [Re: RobertW]
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As I don't have room for a centre channel speaker, I'm afraid I can't answer your key question


Main system - Sources (Kodi-HTPC, Vero 4k, FireTV, Sat) into Trinnov Altitude 32 (8-16) (+Roon), Trinnov Amplitude 8 amp & Vivid Audio (Giya G3, V1.5) and REL Stentor III speakers. Others: F80 + Raspberry Pi and other Pi systems.
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#277228 - 2018-06-18 12:43 Re: 271 + Trinnov Altitude [Re: RobertW]
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I’ll have a play tonight and let you know how it sounds


Regards
Peter

Trinnov Altitude 32.16, 271, 5500*2, 7200HC, 5000*2, 320*4, Sim2 HD300 Link, Stewart Screen, LG OLED, Oppo BDP-103+203, HDI Dune Prime 3, 40TB NAS
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#277246 - 2018-06-18 19:37 Re: 271 + Trinnov Altitude [Re: RobertW]
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With the Auro 3D running on a regular 2 channel source all the speakers are involved.
It’s certainly more subtle than the Dolby surround up mix. The rears are still a bit more involved than in Trifield,
As Cliff says you could further tweak this with a preset.
I may use this as my preferred setup for 2 channel music.


Regards
Peter

Trinnov Altitude 32.16, 271, 5500*2, 7200HC, 5000*2, 320*4, Sim2 HD300 Link, Stewart Screen, LG OLED, Oppo BDP-103+203, HDI Dune Prime 3, 40TB NAS
FS:861v6 ID40, HD621
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#277248 - 2018-06-18 20:02 Re: 271 + Trinnov Altitude [Re: Cliff.]
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Thanks Cliff for your help anyway.


861v6+ID40/800v3/3x8k.2/3x5k5s smile /2x5kC/ 218/Explorer/TT-ELP/Trinnov Amethyst
__HB-strip, Ayon/HB/Shunyata/Dream State Audio/Miltzow -- power cables,
__Ayon/Jungson/Miltzow --analog, Miltzow-- digital,
__WMA/Finalizer- , iPad air, Macbook-pro.
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#277249 - 2018-06-18 20:07 Re: 271 + Trinnov Altitude [Re: PWM]
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Thanks Peter, so is it a realistic upmix, not artificial?

I suspect that between your lines when you compare it with Trifield?

Sorry to bother you again, do you prefer it against a "pure" only L/R playback?

Thanks
Robert


861v6+ID40/800v3/3x8k.2/3x5k5s smile /2x5kC/ 218/Explorer/TT-ELP/Trinnov Amethyst
__HB-strip, Ayon/HB/Shunyata/Dream State Audio/Miltzow -- power cables,
__Ayon/Jungson/Miltzow --analog, Miltzow-- digital,
__WMA/Finalizer- , iPad air, Macbook-pro.
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