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#276449 - 2018-05-29 16:12 Re: Source for Meridian 861 [Re: Crion]
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Originally Posted By Crion
Originally Posted By Filipe
My question was, and taking in mind bits are not bits but sometimes are, what one should use as a QUALITY source for Blurays prior to the HD621?
Dune HD-Max / Dune Prime 3.0
Apple TV 4K with nFuse 5 PRO player app. (Probably the closest to your current Kodi UI experience.)

All three options produce Dolby TrueHD and DTS Master Audio output to LPCM into HD621, switch proper 24/25/50/60Hz framerate output of 1080p and ATV4K does proper 4K HDR as well as framerate matching, no BD menus though from the ATV4K.

Both will most likely have lower jitter output than a standard HTPC and no crazy windows soundmixer and whatnot etc..

BUT, they both can't beat an internal ID40 driven from a Sooloos if you are talking jitter levels and subsequent audio quality. They can get close, but with critical listening you will hear a difference.

HTPC is not close IMHO.
Well... I believe you are assuming the HTPC is a Windows machine, with software that messes the audio output, I don't know anything about that.

My "HTPC" Kodi machine is an ASUS Chromebox, stripped from the Chrome software, and installed in root the LibreElec.
This is a simple OS, with "just enough OS for Kodi".

I find it hard to believe why an Apple TV would be better, as this is essentially the same, different OS and user interface.
Plus my Librelec "box" has a dedicated 19V power supply (LPSU) with cleaner input power.
I can stream DolbyTrueHD and DTS-HD decoded to LPCM into the HD621. I have no interest in 4K video.

My question is : This is a 500€ PC source, not an expensive 10K transport like the DVD from Meridian.

My assumption is, Meridian realized that it could not compete with these PC solutions, as they are now too cheap and mainstream, so stopped making sources for Bluray/Network and focused on AUDIO only >> ID40/ID41.

Taking what previous posters have said, sending the stream directly into the ID40 will always be better than ANY transport through SPDIF, so a 2-channel FLAC file streamed to ID40, will always sound better than whatever Kodi/ATV/Bluray source sending the HDMI signal into the HD621 (multichannel or not).

For 5.1 sound though... one must use HDMI though (lossless formats).


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#276450 - 2018-05-29 16:28 Re: Source for Meridian 861 [Re: Filipe]
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I have one more question regarding these pieces of equipment (forgive me the ignorance).

Do I have to use Roon to send the signal from Tidal into the ID40, or can Tidal on a Macbook sends directly into ID40 endpoint?

I ask this because both Roon and Tidal are paid subscriptions.

Would have to subscribe 2 services to use ID40?

I know Roon is self sufficient (playing local files), but is TIDAL?


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#276451 - 2018-05-29 16:30 Re: Source for Meridian 861 [Re: Filipe]
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You wouldn’t have to use Roon (although it is very good) to use Tidal through ID40, as you could use Sooloos to do this.


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#276452 - 2018-05-29 16:43 Re: Source for Meridian 861 [Re: Filipe]
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Originally Posted By Filipe
... My question is : This is a 500€ PC source. Not an expensive 10K transport like the DVD from Meridian.

My assumption is, Meridian realized that it could not compete with these PC solutions, as they are now too cheap and mainstream, so stoped making sources for Bluray/Network and focused on AUDIO only >> ID40/ID41.

Taking what previous posters have said, sending the stream directly into the ID40 will always be better than ANY transport through SPDIF . So a 2-channel FLAC file streamed to ID40, will always sound better than whatever kodi/atv/Bluray source sending the HDMI signal into the HD621 (multichannel or not).

For 5.1 sound though....one must use HDMI though (lossless formats)
I think this is difficult because there are a few different questions here.

For stereo listening of 2-channel music files, ID40 will be more optimal than HTPC of any flavour through HD621/Coax.

For multichannel listening, ID40 isn’t an option. Your question of whether an HTPC->HD621–>861 is better than a dedicated Meridian DVD player (800 etc) for playing back DVD content is very likely that the Meridian player will beat it.

For Blu-ray, Meridian never made a player. Oppo machines are excellent, I’d be surprised if an HTPC bested one. If you want to do computer based room correction though, there is only one option here.


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#276457 - 2018-05-30 09:00 Re: Source for Meridian 861 [Re: 3dit0r]
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Originally Posted By 3dit0r
You wouldn’t have to use Roon (although it is very good) to use Tidal through ID40, as you could use Sooloos to do this.


Sorry can you elaborate ?
What do i need to install , can i use PC or MAC or Android ?
Thank you , complete noob in Sooloos tech


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#276458 - 2018-05-30 10:09 Re: Source for Meridian 861 [Re: Filipe]
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Sooloos is Meridian's own streaming solution (it's the original system developed by those who then split off and went on to create Roon).

To run this, you would need an ID40, or ID41 equipped Meridian endpoint, and a Sooloos 'core'. The core can be one of two things - a piece of Meridian equipment, such as an MC200, (which is 'store and core' as it includes a hard drive and core ability, as well as another playback zone in it's own right, as it contains DACs and analogue/digital output). These can be found second-hand now. Alternatively, core can be a QNAP NAS of a specific type, with a Meridian plugin. Either of these are one-off purchases (unless you already own an appropriate Qnap NAS) and Sooloos requires no further subscription after that, nor payment for updates.

You control Sooloos with either Mac, PC, any Apple idevice, and I'm not sure about Android, but maybe others could chime in. When you run Control:Mac or Control:PC on the relevant platform, Sooloos provides secure ripping of CDs, metadata lookup and management of media within the Sooloos system.

Sooloos is not now as fully featured as Roon is, nor as flexible in terms of no-third party integration, but within a Meridian system, it's sound quality is excellent and it's still a very good way to organise a music library and stream Tidal natively, etc.


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#276461 - 2018-05-30 16:14 Re: Source for Meridian 861 [Re: 3dit0r]
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Thank you ! This puts things in perspective.

So to resume and to make sure i dont take false steps:

I can acquire an ID40 and install it on my 861v4.
I can use a simple PC or MAC to run Sooloos Core, connected to same ethernet network as ID40, to stream my local files.
I can use an iPad to control the Sooloos Core (running on the PC or MAC)?

To try Roon for a spin, i can use the same hardware (PC or MAC to run Roon Core, provided it is powerfull enough and the iPad for remote).

Is this correct?


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#276463 - 2018-05-30 16:36 Re: Source for Meridian 861 [Re: Filipe]
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Not quite correct:

You can’t run Sooloos core on a PC or Mac, you need a Sooloos Core, which is a Meridian device such as an MC200, etc.

For Roon, you can run the core on PC/MAC without need of another hardware core.

So, for Sooloos you need: Core/Store/Control/Endpoint, but options are flexible as to how you achieve this. E.g., MC200 can be core and store (and endpoint if required), a MAC or PC or iDevice as control and ID40/41 endpoint. Various Qnap NAS can also be core with the Meridian software installed. Software is free.

For Roon you need the same except a PC or Mac can be core, but you have to buy the software on either annual or lifetime license.


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#276464 - 2018-05-30 16:37 Re: Source for Meridian 861 [Re: Filipe]
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Hi Filipe,

Yes an ID40 can be installed into an 861v4.
You need to be running a compatible (ideally the latest) firmware revision for the 861v4
Also some cable 'jumpers' may need to be soldered onto the CO00 board in the 861v4, which is a bit fiddly to do.

No you can't run Sooloos core on a PC or MAC
You need a Meridian piece of hardware such as MC200, MD600, MC600 or Control:15 to run Core.
Or you can install Sooloos Core onto specific QNAP NAS Models which run Intel X86 processors

You could then use an iPad to control the Sooloos system.

However Roon Core can be run on PC or MAC, unlike Sooloos

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#276552 - 2018-06-01 16:01 Re: Source for Meridian 861 [Re: AudioImages - Rick]
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OK... I did not see that coming... as I said, very noob in this Roon/Sooloos Core business.

I can't understand why only a certain brand (QNAP) of NAS works for the core !?
There are a lot of NAS devices out there with Intel based processors, those won't accept the Meridian Plugin?

Is this because Meridian has some kind of partnership with QNAP?
What model of "low cost" just enough for Roon/Sooloos QNAP would you recommend? I figure this would be cheaper than a MC200.

Thanks


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#276557 - 2018-06-01 16:32 Re: Source for Meridian 861 [Re: Filipe]
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Think of it this way. Meridian would need to task an engineer with writing the code for each brand of NAS and the quirks of their software, and then be tasked with maintaining it for a period of time.

All for something that they are giving away free.

I can think of many other things that I would rather them spend the engineering time and costs on...


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#276634 - 2018-06-03 16:28 Re: Source for Meridian 861 [Re: Marc Koval]
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+1

Also it requires some historical perspective. The Qnap plugin predates Roon and at the time was quite a freeing move offering an entry level to Sooloos way below the previous MC200 price. However, we shouldn’t forget that MC200 is much more than just a store, it’s also a core, and endpoint with a pretty decent DAC, etc., so far from being a bare NAS.

If you don’t want to buy a Qnap NAS or used MC200, just use Roon and pay the yearly or lifetime subs.


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