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#271415 - 2018-01-04 20:02 Considering DSP5200 / replacing DSP5000 as part of an M system overhaul
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Hi all,

I've been away from the forum for a few years - mainly as domestic limitations have meant that the system hasn't been in much use - but it's back up and running now and enjoyed very much. I was thinking of a speaker update to (second hand) 5200s - partly for performance and partly for aesthetics,

Currently:

- DSP5000 orig 24/96 8-segment
- Sources 500v3 CD, Sonos Connect
- Both running through 518 and 568.2mm (also have a 562 but not using it)

First thought > DSP5200s

- Is there much a jump from my 5000s?
- Is there much difference between the versions - original / SpeakerLink / other versions? (not SE - assuming out of my price range.)
- I like the idea of a later spec/version/tech for obvious reasons. But what is needed to connect to SpeakerLink? I looked at the Reviver but seems to be SpeakerLink into old DSP inputs rather than the other way around.
- I prefer the gloss paint finishes to the timber finishes, if that affects which version I should be looking for.

Second thought > with later 5200s would I need the 518 and 568.2mm any more? They were a worthwhile improvement with the 5000s but do the 5200s incorporate some of the processing they do? In which case I can sell them and put towards the speakers of course.

All thoughts and experience welcome!

Cheers,
Stephen


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#271417 - 2018-01-04 20:59 Re: Considering DSP5200 / replacing DSP5000 as part of an M system overhaul [Re: Stevo]
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If you haven't already had it done, I would recommend refreshing the electrolytic capacitors on the amp section of the DSP5000s and give them another listen.

Also check the resistors at the same time.

The wood veneer finish on the DSP5200 was not available with SpeakerLink connections.

The 518 can be useful in some systems to change the gain of the signal for example from a TV.


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#271418 - 2018-01-04 21:15 Re: Considering DSP5200 / replacing DSP5000 as part of an M system overhaul [Re: Stevo]
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Biggest benefit of the 5200 will be much newer electronics and in my opinion a more modern look. If your sources are only the two you list, you could get away without the 568.


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#271424 - 2018-01-05 07:33 Re: Considering DSP5200 / replacing DSP5000 as part of an M system overhaul [Re: CMB Integrations - Bruce]
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I haven't compared 5000s with 5200s but from what I've read on here, the improvement in SQ is modest, at best.


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#271425 - 2018-01-05 07:52 Re: Considering DSP5200 / replacing DSP5000 as part of an M system overhaul [Re: Not'arf]
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I went from DSP33/1500 to 5200's to 5000's.

Big jump up from 33 to 5200, although location was quite different and my last recollection of 33's was without the 1500 in the loop, so probably not as much as it seemed at the time.

The move from 5200 back to 5000 was subtle, even though the 5200 had the apodising filter. It was a straight swap with the guy I got the 5ks from, he got my 5200's. He was new to Meridian and I understand he didn't keep the 5200's for long. I don't regret the swap as I got a good cash balance in the bargain.

Biggest difference between 5k and 5.2k is that 5.2k's upsample and apodise, 96/24 5k's only output what they receive. So if no processor, and using a 44/48k source like Sonos, 5200's would upsample/apodise up to 96/24.

Personally I also got paranoid about damaging the high gloss finish on the 5200's when we had visitors as they were quite vulnerable in free space - the 5000's were past their best already so less of a worry. The last straw was a visitor using a 5200 as a drinks coaster...


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#271427 - 2018-01-05 08:23 Re: Considering DSP5200 / replacing DSP5000 as part of an M system overhaul [Re: Ian]
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Let's not forget EBA and the ability to upgrade to SE with the SpeakerLink versions of the 5200.

I love mine, I know it's down to personal preference but the aesthetics are a major draw in my opinion, they just look gorgeous.

Lee


1. 568.2mm, M33c, Beolab 6000, Fujitsu Q520 HTPC (Kodi Jarvis), Samsung KS7000 55, Sony BluRay
2. AC200, DSP5200SL, Squeezebox Touch, Rega Planer 2, Ortofon red
3. Lenovo Thinkpad, Prime, Prime Power Supply, Explorer2, Sennheiser HD700 cans, Shure SE425 buds
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#271430 - 2018-01-05 09:03 Re: Considering DSP5200 / replacing DSP5000 as part of an M system overhaul [Re: Ian]
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Add a £400 AC200 for upsampling and preamp to 5ks, Bob’s your uncle!

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#271486 - 2018-01-06 16:56 Re: Considering DSP5200 / replacing DSP5000 as part of an M system overhaul [Re: Stevo]
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Originally Posted By Stevo
- I like the idea of a later spec/version/tech for obvious reasons. But what is needed to connect to SpeakerLink? I looked at the Reviver but seems to be SpeakerLink into old DSP inputs rather than the other way around.
The SpeakerLink versions of the DSP5200 have a BNC connector and phono connector as well as the SpeakerLink Connection.

The phono connector can be used for your 568.2mm. You can then use a BNC to DIN convertor cable to handle the comms from the 568.2mm to the DSP5200s. : )


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#271659 - 2018-01-10 22:20 Re: Considering DSP5200 / replacing DSP5000 as part of an M system overhaul [Re: Ogri]
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Thanks, all. Appreciate the input. The 5000s sound fantastic so I’m not expecting a major change, but the aesthetics of the 5200 are a big draw for me the more I think about it.

I think the SL version is a no-brainer, having dug around a bit more and read about EBA which I wasn’t aware of. Didn’t know about the .2s either, but guess there’s not many of those around s/h yet.

So time to start hunting, although there seems to be a steady stream of them on eBay if not here for some reason.

Originally Posted By Ogri
Add a £400 AC200 for upsampling and preamp to 5ks, Bob’s your uncle!
Ah I hadn’t thought of one of these. Not what you had in mind, but this would give me SL to the speakers, and replace the 568, also doing the FIFO as far as I can see.

Is £400 the usual s/h value I presume?

So I’d end up with 500/Sonos > AC200 > 5200SL/5200.2...

A sensible move / anything I’ve missed?

Cheers,
S




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#271661 - 2018-01-10 22:35 Re: Considering DSP5200 / replacing DSP5000 as part of an M system overhaul [Re: Stevo]
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That's precisely what i did Stevo, it's a great combo, albeit I feed via squeezebox. If only the headphone out was decent it would have been a great all in one.

Look out for items via Reuben on eBay, my 5200sl were acquired from him. He is a first class 2nd hand dealer who used to frequent this parish. His goods are always in tip top order and he will personally deliver and set them up for you....a real gent.

You won't look back I'm sure.

Lee


1. 568.2mm, M33c, Beolab 6000, Fujitsu Q520 HTPC (Kodi Jarvis), Samsung KS7000 55, Sony BluRay
2. AC200, DSP5200SL, Squeezebox Touch, Rega Planer 2, Ortofon red
3. Lenovo Thinkpad, Prime, Prime Power Supply, Explorer2, Sennheiser HD700 cans, Shure SE425 buds
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#271720 - 2018-01-12 09:06 Re: Considering DSP5200 / replacing DSP5000 as part of an M system overhaul [Re: LeeRankin]
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I did 15 years (ish) with 5000 and a simple 200 transport, then went to 5200's (original SL ones). I never got on with them. They just didn't work for me. Then stuck 200 upgrade to C15 and still didn't really fly.

I hear awesome things about the SE versions but I never got on with 5200's. Trouble was I'd flogged the 5000's then and ended up selling a kidney and getting 7200.2's...

C


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Non M Kit: 27inch Roon Touchscreen (Lenovo), QNAP TVS-871-i7-16G 8 Bay NAS, Philips 4k Ambilight TV, Hue Lighting System, TiVO, PS3, ATV (v.4) Shure SE846 Headphones & a whole lot of Apple stuff...
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#271723 - 2018-01-12 09:56 Re: Considering DSP5200 / replacing DSP5000 as part of an M system overhaul [Re: Stevo]
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I'm thinking of changing for the opposite reason. My 5200s are hidden behind an acoustic cinema screen - seems like a waste!


G68J, 3xDSP5200 fronts behind acoustic screen, DSP5000.2 rears, HD621, JVC projector
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