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#290966 - 2020-02-11 12:16 DSP3200 or B&W 603+ Amp
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Afternoon everybody.

I just wanted your thoughts on how the DSP3200’s would compare to a similar priced seperates set up, for example the set up mentioned above.

I play my music in an outbuilding in my garden which is basically like a living room with acoustic insulation which does a great job not leaking out any sound. It measures around 16.4 ft x 15.4 ft, I sit around 3 m from the centre line. I have the DSP3200 tweeters around 3m apart and I have to say it sounds fantastic and I am really quite happy with things but I’m getting that little voice telling me the grass would be better on the other side. I suppose the obvious step up would be the 5200SE 2nd hand.

But I’d be interested to know what I’d get if I kept my 218 used it’s analogue outs to an integrated amp and the B&W 603 floor standing speakers , I’m thinking the physical size and added drivers would way outperform my 3200’s?

Any advice would be appreciated 😊

Regards
Danny


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#290967 - 2020-02-11 12:41 Re: DSP3200 or B&W 603+ Amp [Re: Danny77]
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If you can get a in home demo of the 603's try it and see. Some may say the limiting factor would be the analog outputs of the 218. Going with 5200SE would be a huge step up in sound quality without any unknowns.


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#290989 - 2020-02-12 11:31 Re: DSP3200 or B&W 603+ Amp [Re: CMB Integrations - Bruce]
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I'd be tempted to add a subwoofer, that will add scale and authority.

One of the big differences I noticed when moving from B&W 705s to DSP5000s was the ability of the 5Ks to play at any volume without distortion or sonic signature changes. The B&Ws I always found needed to be played moderately loud to really sing. At lower levels they sounded a bit less involving. Hard to explain.

For me, the M way of having individual DACs in each speaker, power amps for each driver and no analogue crossovers getting in the way makes the presentation sublime. I don't think I'd be happy going back to passive speakers again.

Is there something about the 3200s you don't like? They do have an unusual wideband tweeter design which I found a bit too forward in the 3khz area for my ears. If you're looking for something a bit less 'shouty' (as I call it), the 5200s or 5000s would be good to audition. Even the 3100s if you prefer the smaller form factor.


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#291008 - 2020-02-12 19:51 Re: DSP3200 or B&W 603+ Amp [Re: Chris G]
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I need to fill the room out with furniture before making a final judgment. I have ordered to largish bookcases from Ikea to place on 1st and 2nd reflection points and I’ll add some thick curtains for the rear of the room. I have a nasty slap echo with an aggressive zing that really needs to be sorted. I’m sure that will.

I am happy with my speakers , maybe I need to demo a pair of SE DSP5200’s to see if they warrant an upgrade, I’m sure they will 😕


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#291012 - 2020-02-13 07:12 Re: DSP3200 or B&W 603+ Amp [Re: Danny77]
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I'm interested to see that your signature lists quite a lot of GIK room treatment stuff yet you mention Ikea bookcases & 'thick curtains' as current treatments. Has the GIK stuff gone or are these new pieces in addition to them?


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#291022 - 2020-02-13 11:38 Re: DSP3200 or B&W 603+ Amp [Re: Not'arf]
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If you like the 3200s, you'll love 5200SE - that's a massive step-up. Bear in mind even non-SE 5200 would be a big leap.

As others have said, also consider adding a sub to the 3200s first, but you'll probably find you don't need one with 5200s, which are also more effortless and refined.

Having had a recent experience trying several analogue speakers in a second system setup and being reminded of all the variables (amps, cables, yada-yada-yada) which all make a difference (I wish they didn't but they do) and just how hit and miss it all is compared to DSPs which just plug in, work and produce glorious music - much more than they ever have a right to given their size - with eminent musicality, control and finesse, and without ever being fatiguing, I'm done with analogue electronics. Long live DSPs.

YMMV and all that, but I'd go with 5200SE any day. You can also build on those, whenever the upgrade itch arrives again, with a better endpoint (818 is sublime) and possibly a sub or two.


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#291023 - 2020-02-13 12:33 Re: DSP3200 or B&W 603+ Amp [Re: Not'arf]
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Originally Posted By Not'arf
I'm interested to see that your signature lists quite a lot of GIK room treatment stuff yet you mention Ikea bookcases & 'thick curtains' as current treatments. Has the GIK stuff gone or are these new pieces in addition to them?
Hi

The GIK stuff I have takes up the corners in my room but believe it or not I still get serious slap echo, so I’m thinking 2 bookcases either side and some Curtains on the rear wall should do it.

Regards
Danny


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#291026 - 2020-02-13 15:15 Re: DSP3200 or B&W 603+ Amp [Re: Danny77]
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Entirely believable as the slap echo won't be caused by corners. It'll be coming from flat open walls. Unless you also happen to need bookcases then I would be after some more GIK on the walls.

To test the theory go and get a spare double mattress and put that on an offending wall (most likely behind the listening position). When I did that the effect was shocking. The sheer absence of reflected sound was stunning. Bass notes all got tighter, cleaner and deeper. Everything was improved massively.

I would sort out the room before changing any kit.


Rgds,
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#291031 - 2020-02-13 16:34 Re: DSP3200 or B&W 603+ Amp [Re: ncpl]
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Definitely also consider first reflection points on the side walls and ceiling.

I’ve got some already but rather like the look (aesthetically) of the new GIK hexagonal panels in groups for this purpose. Might move to some of them and repurpose more of my bass trapping for front/rear walls and corners.


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#291035 - 2020-02-13 20:59 Re: DSP3200 or B&W 603+ Amp [Re: 3dit0r]
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I’ve always took Meridian's advice and placed my speakers 10” from wall but the bass is quite annoying, so I did a little experiment earlier.

I’m not sure if anyone here is familiar with Wilson Audio’s advice when setting up your speakers, they recommend starting from the back wall and walk out into the room whilst speaking and notice any changes in your voice, it may sound crazy but it really does work, speakers around 3 or 4 feet into room and it sounds sublime, I’m hearing things I could not hear before in the lower frequencies.

Regards
Danny


DSP3200. 218. Roon. M80, GIK Acoustics Monster Bass Trap, GIK Acoustics 244 Bass Trap x2, GIK Acoustics Tri-Trap x2, Partington Broadside Stands,
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#291040 - 2020-02-14 10:17 Re: DSP3200 or B&W 603+ Amp [Re: Danny77]
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Speaker, and listener, placement is one of the most fundamental things to get right and will make an absolutely enormous difference, as you've found.

I think Meridian's advice (in the user manual?) is just a minimum distance of around 10", but the optimum distance will be different for each room and each listening position.

I found this quite a clear guide to the basics - Dynaudio Speaker Placement Masterclass but the sky's the limit in terms of positioning and treating a room!

Definitely play with the seating position next, if the room setup allows, and look at treatments, sounds like there's plenty more potential in those 3200s yet.


818v3, DSP7200.2, HD621, Oppo BDP-105, Sony VPL-HW55ES projector, Kimber Mains Cables, Russ Andrews Rack and Mains Filtration, GIK Room Treatments
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