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#290315 - 2020-01-09 09:56 Re: Speaker spikes & cups or flat? A500s [Re: Mike_500]
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What can be helpful in removing marks left by furniture etc. is moisture. A light misting of water from a spray bottle then left to dry.


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#290317 - 2020-01-09 11:00 Re: Speaker spikes & cups or flat? A500s [Re: MI']
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Steaming is also good.

It was my understanding that the spikes result in the speaker being more rigid and not inclined to react when required to push great gouts of air quickly.

Neil


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2) MS200, G91DH, M30, DSP33C.
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#290319 - 2020-01-09 12:00 Re: Speaker spikes & cups or flat? A500s [Re: Mike_500]
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Hi Mike

For the most part, I reckon most would agree that the more rigid the speaker set up, the better for performance. If spikes are used, they need to get down through the carpet and connect with the floor, otherwise the speaker is still floating on the carpet and the spikes are achieving nothing. I've always leaned on each speaker to get that final push through the underlay to ground them, after deciding on the best overall position.

That said, you're enjoying your system more than you have for the past 20 years, and that's been without spikes? If the A500s don't leave any major indentations in the carpet, why not just optimise the position and leave them there? I do wonder if the cost of support devices will give you sufficient return in performance, as they will still float on the carpet? Personally, I'd source longer spikes (they are available) to ensure that the whole speaker is clear of the carpet, but if that will still leave you concerned about the holes then it's a non starter. I can't help but feel that if brushing the carpet pile to cover a larger "footprint" is acceptable, why isn't brushing to cover a 6mm hole? Is the carpet a very light colour where it would be more obvious?

Cheers

George

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#290321 - 2020-01-09 12:32 Re: Speaker spikes & cups or flat? A500s [Re: Mr Meridian]
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I agree with George here. I have 8k on spikes in carpet. I occasionally move them and the least damage is from spikes and easily rubbed and fixed. Tables, furniture, cabinets have far more carpet impact... pucks the same.


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#290335 - 2020-01-09 20:38 Re: Speaker spikes & cups or flat? A500s [Re: ncpl]
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Thanks, all, for these additional comments (and Ola, Neil H). I used to have the A500s on spikes in our old house but the position was compromised (had to be up against the wall) and the carpet was significantly thinner so when I installed, there was a significant "crunch" as I got the spikes down through the carpet and onto the wood floor beneath. When I did the same here, it was obviously a much thicker carpet/underlay and I couldn't get the same contact between the spike and the wooden floor. I think this is a much thicker weave/pile carpet of a better quality than we have had before.

I agree the principle that spikes are better and will probably go back there once I've finished playing with the system so good to hear about the longer ones. Noted. Given my speed at this, I think the interim solution of sliders/spikes is worth testing especially as the once-spiked stack is a b*ggger to move when I want access to the back as I fiddle with components.

Yes, I am enjoying the new lease of life of my retro set-up - which is why I have returned to being a bit of a tweaker as well as actually listening to it much more than I ever did in the previous house. I have used it as the prime hub for all AV so even my TV STB feeds it and (while not up to the same level as people here) it is pleasurably surprising how good even everyday TV sounds when fed through the 551/A500s.

I find the info here interesting and invaluable - without it, I think I would have binned it the first time the 506 failed. As it is, I got it repaired via a contact here and then when it finally failed was lucky to find a 596 to replace (plus added DVD capability) and the right MSR remote! So thanks - all my posts here are ultimately your fault!

Happy listening smile


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Main: 596 DVD/CD, 504 FM Tuner, 551 Integrated Amp, A500 Speakers, Linn Sondek/Basik Plus/K9, NAD 613
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#290336 - 2020-01-09 23:59 Re: Speaker spikes & cups or flat? A500s [Re: Mike_500]
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Similar advice to the above. For indents on the carpet, I’ve used ice cubes and allow the carpet to absorb the moisture, then (when dry) rub over the area with your fingers.


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Shunyata Triton v3/Typhon QR, PS Audio P5 (for 818), 2xSotM sNH-10G, SotM sCLK-OCX10.
[Using a mix of Alpha NR, Delta NR power cables + SotM and AudioQuest Diamond interconnects.]
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#290502 - 2020-01-15 20:53 Re: Speaker spikes & cups or flat? A500s [Re: Mike_500]
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As an interim report, I have searched and read several sources. Still going. Thoughts so far:

  • Herbie's Cone/Spike Gliders appear to be the only product built/designed with several components with different physical characteristics to address an audio need. (Whether or not it succeeds is a different question.) Everything else I have found is a turned bit of metal.
  • Herbie's is also the only combination spike stand designed to glide over carpet (and have a good audio effect). Others appear to be flat at the bottom which would make a more distinct mark and wouldn't be as easy to move.
  • They are the most expensive - about the same for 1 as others are for a set of 4 or 8

But if cost was the most important criterion, I probably wouldn't be a Meridian owner smile

So I could well end up with Herbie's under the A500s while I tweak position and use a combination furniture glider + generic set of 4 (cheaper) cups for the equipment rack (I assume that the effect will be less critical for the kit than for the speakers).

I'll report back as and when - just bear in mind that research shows a positive effect from a placebo even when the recipient knows it's a placebo! (My personal opinion is this could explain some of the more extreme hi-fi stuff.)

Happy listening!


**After the GL101, it was a slippery slope to this. Retro? Moi?**
Main: 596 DVD/CD, 504 FM Tuner, 551 Integrated Amp, A500 Speakers, Linn Sondek/Basik Plus/K9, NAD 613
Eyes: Sony Bravia KDL-32WD, Humax Freeview FVP-5000T
Ears: Meridian Explorer, Sony WH-1000XM3, Sennheiser HD265, Bose QC30, Wharfedale DD1
Network: Marantz M-CR603, JRiver MC26
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