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#290440 - 2020-01-13 19:14 Re: Trinnov / 271 and Legacy speakers? [Re: Meridialien]
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I had the same problem with the Vanity board on my Oppo 203. Never found a solution. Got started with FPGA programming to see if I could make a filter, but ended up with a *cough* cheap* solution my lovely wife signed off on.


* compared to a Trinnov anyway.


Cave: 861v8; UHD722; Oppo 203 Vanity HD; 4xDSP5ks, DSP5kC; Sony Z9D, PS4 Pro; Roku Ultra 2017
Living: Amazon Echo Link; HiFiBerry; 2xDSP5ks
Nest: Bluesound Power NODE; 2x Mission 700s
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#290443 - 2020-01-13 20:42 Re: Trinnov / 271 and Legacy speakers? [Re: Meridialien]
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Thanks, overread that.


861v6+ID40/800v3/3x8k.2/3x5k5s smile /2x5kC/ 218/Explorer/TT-ELP/Trinnov Amethyst
__HB-strip, Ayon/HB/Shunyata/Dream State Audio/Miltzow -- power cables,
__Ayon/Jungson/Miltzow --analog, Miltzow-- digital,
__WMA/Finalizer- , iPad air, Macbook-pro.
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#290444 - 2020-01-13 22:20 Re: Trinnov / 271 and Legacy speakers? [Re: Meridialien]
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CMB Integrations - Bruce Offline
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Did you use the 3D mic for calibration and was it the source selected when you ran the optimizer? I read that you used a analog source for calibration.


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System #1 Trinnov Altitude 32-8-16, 271, 808v6, DSP8000SEUG, DSP7200SEHC, Revel B112, Monitor Audio Silver 10, Paradigm 85F, ATI 200WX7 Amp, JVC RS15, Shunyata Triton V3, Sigma power cables, Black Diamond Zero Edge screen. QNAP TS-251 3TB, Roon Nucleus.

System #2 Mark Levinson No515, No5805, Revel F228be.


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#290456 - 2020-01-14 09:09 Re: Trinnov / 271 and Legacy speakers? [Re: CMB Integrations - Bruce]
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I used the Mic input for Calibration, the Optimiser worked on those results .
Spent all night trying things and ended up routing L/R through the side speakers!

I need a holiday! 😉

M


Mostly harmless. Comfortably numb.
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#290457 - 2020-01-14 09:23 Re: Trinnov / 271 and Legacy speakers? [Re: Meridialien]
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What do you mean " routing L/R through the side speakers"?


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#290464 - 2020-01-14 11:43 Re: Trinnov / 271 and Legacy speakers? [Re: Albert]
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Accidentally reset it as Right Main instead of Right aside Surround!

M


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#290476 - 2020-01-15 04:39 Re: Trinnov / 271 and Legacy speakers? [Re: Meridialien]
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I don’t have Roon but do play a lot of UHD/BD discs and also do have the “pop” problems in my SL front speakers.
I mute my speakers until the movie actually starts.

I had my system professionally calibrated by Adam Pelz and it happened while he was demonstrating his finished work to me. He works with Trinnov on a daily basis and knows the Altitude as good or better than anyone.
He told me it was a Meridian issue with the 271 as it wasn’t muting the speakers when it needed to.
He also said it shouldn’t be dangerous to the speakers but I don’t like it at all and am not taking any chances - so I mute the speakers.

I can see that it may be more annoying with music as there are multiple times it can happen.
I have not pursued the problem with Meridian (as muting the speakers has worked ok for me) but hopefully someone from M is reading this and will address the problem (maybe along with Trinnov) and find a solution.

Bruce - maybe you can speak with M and make sure they are aware of the issue.


My gear: Trinnov Alt 32 (8-16), 271, 8000.1(SEs), 7200.1 HC (SE), 320s, 3200s, SW5500 subs, Seaton F18 sub, MS200 (2nd zone), 218, 210.
Other: JVC RS-4500 projector, Lumagen Pro Radiance, Panamorph DCR anamorphic lens, Panasonic UB900, Oppo BDP-203, QNAP TS-251 (M core and store).
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#290479 - 2020-01-15 08:37 Re: Trinnov / 271 and Legacy speakers? [Re: JOE-C]
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Hi Joe,

Many thanks for chiming in. Some of your previous posts on Trinnov influenced me to take this path. I have emailed M support twice without receiving a reply on this subject or even an acknowledgement which is very disappointing.

Like you, I don't believe we should have to settle for this especially when the 271 is advertised as "Designed to work with any processor on the market"!
Surely it should work with one of the very best available then? It particularly destroys the 'Roon Ready' feature which should seamlessly play 2.0/5.1/7.1 etc. in a (random) playlist which is really disappointing and has prevented my other half from having anything to do with the 'new' system as she is afraid of doing something wrong and damaging it.

Loading a movie on an 861 'gracefully' muted the system till the 'Cinema' preset was loaded and it was safe to pass audio. Something similar is required here. It is really galling when M cannot even be bothered letting it be known via their PPs that they are aware and a fix is on the way. How hard can it be?

If Adam Pelz' work in calibration is being undermined then M are doing their reputation no good at all. Plus, I had hoped at some point to add 4/6 DSP320s as I am still only running 7.1 at the moment but how can I justify expending more good money after, for now, bad?

Dumbfounded frown

~M~


Mostly harmless. Comfortably numb.
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#290480 - 2020-01-15 09:04 Re: Trinnov / 271 and Legacy speakers? [Re: Meridialien]
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It is convenient for a Trinnov dealer to say so, but why can't Trinnov do the mute at first place?


HT: Audiocom LX800CE W/HD621/LPS 861v8, DSP7200SEup DSP5200SEVCup, DSP5200SE(side),DSP5200sl(rear)
Revel sub30*2 AntimodeX4 JVC NX7
Lot of GIK panels
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#290481 - 2020-01-15 09:31 Re: Trinnov / 271 and Legacy speakers? [Re: Albert]
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Eh, Adam Pelz is a renowned calibration expert and bespoke cinema designer and not a Trinnov dealer.
Even if the Trinnov is muted the pop will occur through speakers when un-muted. On 861 the mute held until, say, 'Cinema' preset was loaded so, no 'pop'.
Why not the same for all processors?

~M~


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#290505 - 2020-01-15 21:12 Re: Trinnov / 271 and Legacy speakers? [Re: Meridialien]
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CMB Integrations - Bruce Offline
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I asked Meridian about the pops that you and Joe are reporting and they said that has not been an issue reported to them here in the US. They did say however that some customers have reported such pops on systems using CatX cables that were not properly shielded.

In my system I do not use Meridian SpeakerLink cable but the cable that I do use has a foil shield and drain wire along with appropriately shielded connectors.


www.cmbintegrations.com

System #1 Trinnov Altitude 32-8-16, 271, 808v6, DSP8000SEUG, DSP7200SEHC, Revel B112, Monitor Audio Silver 10, Paradigm 85F, ATI 200WX7 Amp, JVC RS15, Shunyata Triton V3, Sigma power cables, Black Diamond Zero Edge screen. QNAP TS-251 3TB, Roon Nucleus.

System #2 Mark Levinson No515, No5805, Revel F228be.


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#290506 - 2020-01-15 22:17 Re: Trinnov / 271 and Legacy speakers? [Re: CMB Integrations - Bruce]
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I sat down with my system using the Roon endpoint in the Trinnov and I do not get any pop's to speak of when the sample rate changes. Mainly 44.1k and 48k when changing to different selections. I tried dozens of tracks from different artists and albums


www.cmbintegrations.com

System #1 Trinnov Altitude 32-8-16, 271, 808v6, DSP8000SEUG, DSP7200SEHC, Revel B112, Monitor Audio Silver 10, Paradigm 85F, ATI 200WX7 Amp, JVC RS15, Shunyata Triton V3, Sigma power cables, Black Diamond Zero Edge screen. QNAP TS-251 3TB, Roon Nucleus.

System #2 Mark Levinson No515, No5805, Revel F228be.


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