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#289324 - 2019-11-26 23:58 Not liking Roon... Can I stream Tidal directly? How about Sooloos?
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Just bought DSP3200's and 218.

I've tried Roon for almost 2 weeks but find it's too messy, complicated and I'm not enjoying it as much as the Naim app with Tidal integration I use on the Muso in my bedroom.

If I have an iMac, DSP3200's and 218. Can I send a DIGITAL stream from Tidal through either the router or iMac without any other hardware?

If not, did Sooloos have Tidal integration? If so, do I need to add a Media Core to my setup in order to run it? I believe the 218 is an endpoint but I then need a core. I‘ve the core no longer runs on OSX or my QNAP.

Feeling a little peeved... lots of expensive equipment and no longer an elegant solution to make it all work together...


Finally the proud owner of a 218 and 3200's...
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Edited by JustAlex; 2019-11-27 04:20.
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#289326 - 2019-11-27 06:56 Re: Not liking Roon... Can I stream Tidal directly? How about Sooloos? [Re: JustAlex]
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Sooloos should work, you could either get yourself a QNAP or a used MD600 for the "core".


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Edited by Carl; 2019-11-27 12:47. Edit Reason: snap --> QNAP
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#289328 - 2019-11-27 07:22 Re: Not liking Roon... Can I stream Tidal directly? How about Sooloos? [Re: Albert]
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Bear in mind Sooloos is no longer being developed or fixed if issues occur.
Two weeks is a short period of time to make a judgement regarding Roon, maybe if you described what you are finding confusing we could help?


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#289329 - 2019-11-27 08:05 Re: Not liking Roon... Can I stream Tidal directly? How about Sooloos? [Re: Ratbert]
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Yes, QNAP, thanks for the correcting.
I am not sure that confusion is something we can help with smile


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#289330 - 2019-11-27 08:11 Re: Not liking Roon... Can I stream Tidal directly? How about Sooloos? [Re: Albert]
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Maybe not but the offer has been made.


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#289332 - 2019-11-27 10:48 Re: Not liking Roon... Can I stream Tidal directly? How about Sooloos? [Re: Ratbert]
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When I bought the Muso, I was listening to music in no time at all. It has just the right feature set for me. Navigation is intuitive and requires very little input before I’m listening to music. I find Roon too confusing and time consuming and have spent more time swiping, clicking and scrolling than listening to music.

For example, the most basic task of browsing by album, artist or track requires a click to enter the menus, then a click to select my choice. Why isn’t there simply an icon on the page?

And when I’m looking at all my albums, there’s no large A-Z to indicate where I am in the collection. Instead I find myself squinting to read an album name, swiping a few times then looking at another album name.

Once I select an album, say... A Momentary Lapse of Reason, Roon shows me the cover art and a list of tracks. Even on a 27” iMac however I need to swipe, no wait, this time I need to SCROLL to see tracks 6-11. Room can’t even display 11 track names without my input. And it’s not even as if they use a large font. There’s just a heap of unnecessary space between each track name.

Meridian isn’t cheap here in the land of Oz. A pair of 3200’s with stands costs £5000. I dropped this cash in order to have some down time without tech... but now find myself swiping scrolling and clicking far more than is reasonably necessary to perform simple tasks. I was hoping Sooloos might be less IN YOUR FACE and let me listen to music. Sorry to moan but my wallet seems to be aching badly... and that’s before it gets hit with a $500 Roon membership.

Everyone’s thoughts greatly appreciated.


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#289333 - 2019-11-27 11:08 Re: Not liking Roon... Can I stream Tidal directly? How about Sooloos? [Re: JustAlex]
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Ok, fair enough it doesn’t sound like it is for you, I assume you qualify for the US$500 lifetime offer for current trial users otherwise it is now US$699 which may make the decision for you.


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#289334 - 2019-11-27 11:23 Re: Not liking Roon... Can I stream Tidal directly? How about Sooloos? [Re: JustAlex]
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Im still a fan of Sooloos. The biggest issue is its a dying platform, but it does work and is very usable. If you can live with the fact its obsolete, give it a go.

Have you looked at an MC200. That would give you either 500Gb or 1Tb of storage. It does have Tidal integration, I used Tidal for the free trial, but then didnt bother to keep it. At the time it didnt have much MQA material but that seems to have been addressed now.
I cant remember now how smooth that experience was to be honest.

I have a small collection, by the standards of some here, and play music that I have ripped from CD's I have bought. Works for me.

Cheers
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#289336 - 2019-11-27 11:51 Re: Not liking Roon... Can I stream Tidal directly? How about Sooloos? [Re: Greg Wright]
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If you're willing to spend some more, and given that you own an iMac, there are some other options...

Buy a Meridian 210 to add to your existing 218. With this, you can either...

* Connect a USB HDD containing your music library to the 210. If you have an iPad, installing Arcam's MusicLife (free) will control your music playback,

or,

* Buy/install Audirvana for MacOS on your iMac (free trial before you buy). This will wirelessly stream your music to a Meridian 210 via UPnP. Audirvana also integrates Tidal and Qobuz. Adding Audirvana iOS to an iPad facilities remote playback of your music.

The caveat is that buying a Meridian 210, plus Audirvana combined, will cost more than simply buying Roon.


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#289337 - 2019-11-27 11:54 Re: Not liking Roon... Can I stream Tidal directly? How about Sooloos? [Re: Greg Wright]
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I'm trying to work out the simplest way of listening to Tidal. Is there some way I can output a digital signal from my iMac to the 218? If not, then I will have to investigate an MC200. But hoping I don't have to spend more money on an obsolete system.

I don't think my Mac or QNAP can run Sooloos because it won't run on the current operating systems.

Roon is a great achievement, however it appears to be lead by programmers who like to tinker... Although Sooloos was also their creation, the interface was most likely directed by Meridian whose philosophy has always been about simplicity, elegance and getting out of the way so you can enjoy the music.

I wonder why they left Meridian? Or why Meridian didn't retain some form of partnership instead of leaving Sooloos to die in the wilderness... I think both companies are the poorer for it.


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#289338 - 2019-11-27 12:02 Re: Not liking Roon... Can I stream Tidal directly? How about Sooloos? [Re: spinaltap]
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I've not heard of this AUDIONIRVANA of which you speak... I believe it warrants further investigation.

Is there a way to send its digital signal via a wired connection to the 218? Sending a signal through the ether seems like spending a pile of cash on a beautiful tiara then sending it via Royal Mail to its recipient... LOL


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#289339 - 2019-11-27 12:18 Re: Not liking Roon... Can I stream Tidal directly? How about Sooloos? [Re: JustAlex]
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I believe you can stream from Tidal to your 218 with an appropriate cable between the iMac and the 218, the 218 has digital coax, optical and analogue inputs to choose from.

It will be interesting to hear your thoughts on the Tidal interface.


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#289341 - 2019-11-27 13:49 Re: Not liking Roon... Can I stream Tidal directly? How about Sooloos? [Re: JustAlex]
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Hi,

As far as I'm aware, Apple discontinued the optical output from the 2017 iMac.

I'm not sure about which particular USB DACs have a digital output, but you could try and pick up an (original) Explorer and use the optical output from that to feed your 218.
While an Explorer might be a bit difficult to find in Sydney, they aren't too big to ship one from the UK, so you could put a wanted ad in the restaurant.

I was interested to hear your reaction to Roon, so I'm also keen to hear how you get on.

Brian


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Edited by bxd; 2019-11-27 13:51. Edit Reason: addition
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#289342 - 2019-11-27 13:51 Re: Not liking Roon... Can I stream Tidal directly? How about Sooloos? [Re: Ratbert]
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If you go the route of using a Mac, think about getting a USB async SPDIF converter. They will sound much better than the Mac direct connection and are good value in terms of bang to buck. Google 'Dragonfly Red' for an example, although there are loads out there.

They can also be used with your phone, so you can listen to tidal on the go in better quality.

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#289343 - 2019-11-27 14:03 Re: Not liking Roon... Can I stream Tidal directly? How about Sooloos? [Re: Greg Wright]
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Good suggestion.


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#289345 - 2019-11-27 14:40 Re: Not liking Roon... Can I stream Tidal directly? How about Sooloos? [Re: bxd]
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I had no idea when I started this thread it would provide so much enjoyment! I'm on to my second G&T and having a chuckle...

Isn't technology wonderful! 6000 pounds of audio equipment and I'm having trouble just playing songs without having to Google terms like Dragonfly, SPDIF, Toslink and then looking at the specs of each Mac to see which was the last model to have optical out.

On another note, I'm having SERIOUS equipment envy reading peoples signatures... It took me 10 years before I could justify buying a pair of 3200's and 218... is everyone on here a drug dealer or banker apart from me? LOL


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#289346 - 2019-11-27 14:50 Re: Not liking Roon... Can I stream Tidal directly? How about Sooloos? [Re: JustAlex]
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Alex, First to say I have Meridian for 22 years, several set-ups including Sooloos C15, and several end points and a large QNAP server.

I also bought a Naim Muso 2 one week ago so I am still learning that. We use Tidal and Roon for almost everything, though I still have my old sources including CD and vinyl for nostalgia

I mention all this because it's about experience with these various music delivery options - hands-on user experience is everything. I could not use a Mac when I first got it 10 years ago .. now I struggle with Windows! Meridian was also a struggle at the beginning.

First the Muso2 because it's brand new to me. The functionality and convenience is excellent. The SQ is good but it's by far no Meridian.
It's truly a very good life-style product. Can be played very loud with no distortion- but it's rather base heavy. It also can't decode Tidal MQA( Naim will never adopt that I guess). I am very happy with the Muso but we use in a room where we "hear" music rather than "listen"...
In the latter case only Meridian delivers true hi fi quality even without MQA.

Roon is way more functional than Sooloos - which good as it is, has always been trifle clunky operationally, and its already said it's no longer supported so will not improve. I am the only one in our household still using Sooloos - the others only use Roon. They swear by it and will never go back to Sooloos.

Keep the faith - it will pay dividends in the end ( of course Roon works on the Muso too)

Best Regards
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#289347 - 2019-11-27 15:15 Re: Not liking Roon... Can I stream Tidal directly? How about Sooloos? [Re: JustAlex]
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Have not seen anyone on this forum own up to being a pharmacist.
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#289349 - 2019-11-27 16:13 Re: Not liking Roon... Can I stream Tidal directly? How about Sooloos? [Re: Hector]
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Pharmaceutical wholesaler perhaps, doubt your jobbing pharmacist is up there...

Cheers

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#289350 - 2019-11-27 17:03 Re: Not liking Roon... Can I stream Tidal directly? How about Sooloos? [Re: Mr Meridian]
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@JustAlex, if connecting your iMac to your 218 directly (assuming it has audio out), the Audirvana alternative is Amarra Luxe: which also includes Tidal integration.

There’s a free trial download, and, given Black Friday is almost here, there’s a substantial discount on offer - making it cheaper than Audirvana.


My Mac can go all the way to XI - Mac user since 1988 - Meridian owner since 1993.

Music: M6, 218, 210, 504, 506.2, AC12, Mac Mini Server, Roon | B&O H8
Movies: Loewe Bild7.55, ATV4K, B&W PV-1
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#289351 - 2019-11-27 17:25 Re: Not liking Roon... Can I stream Tidal directly? How about Sooloos? [Re: spinaltap]
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You can stream Tidal from a Mac mini fairly directly into DSP speakers using a USB to SPDIF converter such as the Musical Fidelity V-Link without needing a 218. I assume the same is true from an iMac? I had this temporarily into DSP 5000’s but as the Mac mini’s display was my tv and iPad control was a clunky vnc route I decided to go back to Spotify with a 210 as it’s all controlled by my iPhone, very elegant and simple solution and surprisingly good sound quality! Even better now I’ve just added Gaia III’s!
So the solution I suggest for the OP is adding a relatively cheap USB to SPDIF converter. Hope that helps in some way!


210, 596, DSP5000.2 on Gaia III’s, numerous other bits and pieces...
Edited by GNA1970; 2019-11-27 17:32.
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#289352 - 2019-11-27 17:51 Re: Not liking Roon... Can I stream Tidal directly? How about Sooloos? [Re: spinaltap]
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Hi,

I'd be a little careful about the pricing on Amarra Luxe as there may well be tax to pay on top of the offer pricing.
I also discovered that Tidal access wasn't included ('Amarra upgrade for Tidal') and that the upgrade would cost more than I'd paid in the first place.

However, I might go with the Tidal upgrade with the current offer price.

Brian


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Edited by bxd; 2019-11-27 18:42. Edit Reason: correction
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#289354 - 2019-11-27 18:24 Re: Not liking Roon... Can I stream Tidal directly? How about Sooloos? [Re: bxd]
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Originally Posted By bxd
I also discovered that MQA capability wasn't part of the package and that the upgrade would cost more than I'd paid in the first place.
That is factually incorrect: Amarra Luxe is MQA capable ‘out of the box’.

It is Amarra Play (iOS) that requires an upgrade fee to include MQA - but if you are using Amarra Play as your remote for Amarra Luxe it is a non issue.


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Music: M6, 218, 210, 504, 506.2, AC12, Mac Mini Server, Roon | B&O H8
Movies: Loewe Bild7.55, ATV4K, B&W PV-1
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#289356 - 2019-11-27 18:38 Re: Not liking Roon... Can I stream Tidal directly? How about Sooloos? [Re: spinaltap]
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Hi,

Thanks for the correction. I'll correct my original post.

I've just been checking back and realised that it was the "Amarra upgrade for Tidal" that was the additional upgrade cost (another £63 at the time) on top of the £49 + £9.86 vat that I'd just paid out.

Brian


Main: G65, MD600, MS600, 218, HD621, DSP5200SE, DSP5200HCSE, M6 & D1500.
System 2: G91A, MS200, DSP5000 (96/24v1), DSP3300.
Edited by bxd; 2019-11-27 18:43. Edit Reason: addition
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#289357 - 2019-11-27 19:30 Re: Not liking Roon... Can I stream Tidal directly? How about Sooloos? [Re: bxd]
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If you’re buying Amarra Luxe today - rather than upgrading from a previous version of Amarra - Tidal connectivity is included as standard.


My Mac can go all the way to XI - Mac user since 1988 - Meridian owner since 1993.

Music: M6, 218, 210, 504, 506.2, AC12, Mac Mini Server, Roon | B&O H8
Movies: Loewe Bild7.55, ATV4K, B&W PV-1
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#289359 - 2019-11-27 19:55 Re: Not liking Roon... Can I stream Tidal directly? How about Sooloos? [Re: spinaltap]
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G'day JustAlex mate!
FYI from another post today about Tidal playback issues through Sooloos.
Originally Posted By Tidal Support
Thank you for providing that information.
I sincerely apologize for the delay.
We've looked into this issue on our end.
Unfortunately, since Meridian is no longer supporting Sooloos, there is not much we can do on our end.
I apologize for the inconvenience.
I therefore don't recommend Sooloos to play Tidal.
Cheers
Bruce-o


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#289362 - 2019-11-27 21:12 Re: Not liking Roon... Can I stream Tidal directly? How about Sooloos? [Re: JustAlex]
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Originally Posted By JustAlex
On another note, I'm having SERIOUS equipment envy reading peoples signatures... It took me 10 years before I could justify buying a pair of 3200's and 218... is everyone on here a drug dealer or banker apart from me? LOL
6000 quid? Did you buy it new? I think my stuff is like second, third, fourth, fifth-hand! I've got 9 DSP5Ks and a 561 for less than 6000 quid. Not as good as your 3200s to be fair, but I'm sure those are out there too.

If the iMac is far from speakers, you could get a network player like Bluesound Node ($599), or a HifiBerry ($99) or plenty of things in between. Wont need the 218 then. Alternatively, as others have said, a USB to SPDIF converter and a long RCA cable works too.


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#289365 - 2019-11-27 23:04 Re: Not liking Roon... Can I stream Tidal directly? How about Sooloos? [Re: KiwiM]
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Unfortunately the price of living in a country where the sun always shines is people are always outdoors, not sitting inside listening to music. Add freight and a distributor in the supply chain and you have lower demand and higher costs! Maybe one day I’ll buy an old pair of DSP 5000’s, sit my 3200’s on top and pretend I have a pair of 8000’s!

I’ve read using a USB converter can introduce jitter?

Sounds like Sooloos isn’t worth spending more money on... will have a look at Amara or persist with Roon. Have downloaded Audionirvana which is meant to work with network streamers but it can’t see my 218. Is that because it’s not actually a network streamer?


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Will they grow up to be an 813v3 and 8000's???
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#289366 - 2019-11-27 23:21 Re: Not liking Roon... Can I stream Tidal directly? How about Sooloos? [Re: JustAlex]
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I think this came up months ago when we were first discussing that Sooloos would no longer be supported, but what are some other alternatives to Roon- I would be interested in other options that work well with 818v3, support Tidal and have an easy iPad interface.

I really like Sooloos, and it is very easy for all of us to use in the house (built in support for the MSR control App is also a big plus).


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#289367 - 2019-11-27 23:38 Re: Not liking Roon... Can I stream Tidal directly? How about Sooloos? [Re: JustAlex]
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How do we get Meridian to relaunch Sooloos?

I’ll pay $500 for a subscription to support development costs... and so I don’t have a pair of £5000 bricks in my living room!


Finally the proud owner of a 218 and 3200's...
Will they grow up to be an 813v3 and 8000's???
Edited by JustAlex; 2019-11-28 02:51.
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#289371 - 2019-11-28 08:19 Re: Not liking Roon... Can I stream Tidal directly? How about Sooloos? [Re: JustAlex]
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That’s a great idea 😂

It was relaunched already... it’s called Roon.


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#289372 - 2019-11-28 08:40 Re: Not liking Roon... Can I stream Tidal directly? How about Sooloos? [Re: ncpl]
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Roon is what Sooloos should have become, an ever growing system we can rely on with developers who actively engage with their customer base.


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#289373 - 2019-11-28 09:18 Re: Not liking Roon... Can I stream Tidal directly? How about Sooloos? [Re: ChrisLayerUK]
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@Chris

Roon is what Sooloos DID become.

The fact is that the earliest versions of what you know as Roon today were called Sooloos 3.0.

For various reasons, already discussed at length on HH, the original Sooloos team separated from Meridian and the software renamed Roon.

IMO It was pretty obvious that there was a giant space in the market for a hardware agnostic streaming music management capability. Doing that from within a specific brand made no sense. Meridian also had other priorities for R&D money... that we see today as MQA.

Again, IMHO, it is quite remarkable just how well Roon have delivered on the original vision. And, at a fraction of the cost many of us spent getting into Sooloos with functionality far exceeding a single brand ecosystem tool.


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#289378 - 2019-11-28 10:10 Re: Not liking Roon... Can I stream Tidal directly? How about Sooloos? [Re: JustAlex]
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Originally Posted By JustAlex
Have downloaded Audionirvana which is meant to work with network streamers but it can’t see my 218. Is that because it’s not actually a network streamer?
The Meridian 218 is not a streamer (but will work with Roon), which is why I recommended the Meridian 210 Streamer, which Audirvana will recognise (but Amarra will not).

Amarra Luxe is only recommended if you’re making a direct audio connection.


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#289379 - 2019-11-28 11:18 Re: Not liking Roon... Can I stream Tidal directly? How about Sooloos? [Re: spinaltap]
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Sell the 218, get a 210 or Digione signature, both can do Airplay.
Edit:210 can not do Airplay,thanks to VK for the correction


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Edited by Albert; 2019-11-29 03:45.
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#289382 - 2019-11-28 14:25 Re: Not liking Roon... Can I stream Tidal directly? How about Sooloos? [Re: Albert]
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Originally Posted By Albert
... both can do Airplay
The 210 does not do Airplay. It was originally supposed to, but the feature had been pulled when the 210 was actually released.


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#289395 - 2019-11-29 00:30 Re: Not liking Roon... Can I stream Tidal directly? How about Sooloos? [Re: ncpl]
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And Sooloos aka Roon really has grown into an amazing app smile


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#289435 - 2019-11-30 13:03 Re: Not liking Roon... Can I stream Tidal directly? How about Sooloos? [Re: JustAlex]
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I stream Tidal into Meridian using a Bluesound Node 2i via dig coax. Although I am far from expert, I believe you could do the same via the 218?

The BluOS interface with Tidal may be more to your liking. I am also able to unfold MQA to 24/96 with the Node 2i and (ducking while saying this) variable digital out to adjust volume from the app. I get in the ballpark volume wise when I turn on the Meridian system, then adjust track to track variance to taste with the app. So the changes aren’t great. Bluesound purports to have a proprietary digital volume control that does not affect the quality. For the relatively small changes I’m making, I honestly can not tell any degradation.

You can pick up a used Node2i to try and easily sell it on at no loss to try it out... and comes in white or black to match your 3200’s quite nicely... I swear. No affiliation with Bluesound. Just a satisfied owner.

As an aside, when I upgraded my Powernode 2 to 2i and sold the 2, the new (now second hand owner) had some issues with noise. Although they had no obligation to do so, when the owner contacted Bluesound directly, they replaced his unit at no charge.

Oh, and the 2i supports Airplay2...


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#289436 - 2019-11-30 14:13 Re: Not liking Roon... Can I stream Tidal directly? How about Sooloos? [Re: Nstzya]
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Originally Posted By Nstzya
I stream Tidal into Meridian using a Bluesound Node 2i via dig coax. Although I am far from expert, I believe you could do the same via the 218?
The 218 needs Roon or Sooloos to stream via network.


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#289437 - 2019-11-30 14:57 Re: Not liking Roon... Can I stream Tidal directly? How about Sooloos? [Re: Ian]
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Sorry, my wording there was less than clear.
What I meant was that he could stream with the Bluesound INTO the 218 via its digital coaxial input. Couldn’t he?


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#290773 - 2020-01-31 11:47 Re: Not liking Roon... Can I stream Tidal directly? How about Sooloos? [Re: ncpl]
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The problem with Roon as an update from Sooloos is it doesn't support Rhapsody/Napster & they have a lot of music that I won't get with Tidal.


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#290774 - 2020-01-31 12:34 Re: Not liking Roon... Can I stream Tidal directly? How about Sooloos? [Re: Alexander]
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Roon also has Qobuz integration available it might be worth checking if that fills in gaps you see with Tidal.
Do you have examples of music that is Rhapsody only?


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#291055 - 2020-02-15 14:59 Re: Not liking Roon... Can I stream Tidal directly? How about Sooloos? [Re: Ratbert]
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I bought a Roon Nucleus before owning any Meridian gear and initially resented it!

I couldn't get it to locate any of my stored music on my PC, still can't I had to go out and buy an EZ drive HD to plug into the Nucleus then dropouts with tidal were infuriating!

A sweet deal on a pair of DSP8000s and a 218 came my way and I still had to buy an iPad, but now after using Roon awhile I’m glad I endured the learning curve and the program has a great community of support there when I have specific questions the answers are there and I'm always the weak link being tech challenged as I am.


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