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#288615 - 2019-10-30 23:44 Can Sooloos and Roon both use the same QNAP NAS for storage
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Looking to bring up Roon Nucleus+ for my system.

I'm currently running the Sooloos Core and Storage on a 16TB QNAP TS-453A (Volume 1). It's only about 40% utilized. I'm wondering if I can use the same QNAP for Roon storage?

I suppose I need to create a new volume (volume 2) for the Roon Server & library and export the Sooloos library to volume 2?

Thanks.


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#288616 - 2019-10-31 04:46 Re: Can Sooloos and Roon both use the same QNAP NAS for storage [Re: Saint0]
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The QNAP will be fine for your Roon storage, Roon is capable of reading the Sooloos files as is but I would advise doing the full native export as you describe, once the export is complete and you are happy all the music is there you can delete the Sooloos files.

Are you planning to run Roon and Sooloos at the same time?
I would say the QNAP should be fine as it is just serving files, endpoints should be ok but you may find ownership of the endpoint between Roon and Sooloos a little clunky at times?


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#288650 - 2019-11-01 08:12 Re: Can Sooloos and Roon both use the same QNAP NAS for storage [Re: Ratbert]
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Thanks for the advise. I thought Sooloos files and the metadata are encrypted. It's good the know Roon can read the Sooloos files.

I plan to keep Sooloos and Roon on my system, but will not use both at the same time. I suppose that should avoid any conflicts with the end points?


C15 (2u), QNAP TS453a, 218 (3u), MS600, C10 (died), 2TB Ensemble (died)
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HT: Integra 80.3 AVR, 50.3 BlueRay, 5.2: Triad & DD10+
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#288652 - 2019-11-01 09:32 Re: Can Sooloos and Roon both use the same QNAP NAS for storage [Re: Saint0]
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Originally Posted By Saint0
It's good the know Roon can read the Sooloos files.
It can't really. Or at least, you're not giving Roon a chance to import the music files properly, because they are devoid of critical identification metadata (like album artist, album and track titles).

I should know as I'm the Roon metadata / identification developer.

Do a full export. It will be painful, because Control:PC and Control:Mac crash regularly during large exports, but frankly, if you are going from Sooloos to Roon, you need to do that export.


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#288653 - 2019-11-01 09:34 Re: Can Sooloos and Roon both use the same QNAP NAS for storage [Re: Saint0]
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Originally Posted By Saint0
Thanks for the advise. I thought Sooloos files and the metadata are encrypted. It's good the know Roon can read the Sooloos files.

I plan to keep Sooloos and Roon on my system, but will not use both at the same time. I suppose that should avoid any conflicts with the end points?
They are NOT encrypted BUT they are utterly meaningless if you try and view the folder and files structures. Roon can do a "best endeavors" read of the folders and files but it is not guaranteed to work as well as a normal artist/album/track(metatag) structure.

I would export the Sooloos library and let Roon digest that. You can consider it a backup for Sooloos anyway.


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#288658 - 2019-11-01 11:33 Re: Can Sooloos and Roon both use the same QNAP NAS for storage [Re: VirusKiller]
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Originally Posted By VirusKiller
Do a full export. It will be painful, because Control:PC and Control:Mac crash regularly during large exports, but frankly, if you are going from Sooloos to Roon, you need to do that export.
Maximize your reliability chances. Use a USB3 hard-drive as the destination, I bought a 4TB for £80. And avoid wifi in the chain, so make sure the laptop you are using is connected with a network cable.

My library isn't that big, to be fair, but I had zero issues doing my native export recently. Oh, and make sure the laptop doesn't go to sleep. I use a Mac, and run caffeine to make sure any hibernating options are disabled. And be prepared for it to take a while.

I would also argue that given Sooloos is effectively a dead platform, a native export is actually essential. Put it this way, I like my MC200, but if it dies I won't be buying another one!

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#288659 - 2019-11-01 12:08 Re: Can Sooloos and Roon both use the same QNAP NAS for storage [Re: Greg Wright]
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Good advice. I tried a native export within the QNAP and it took forever compared to a native export to a external drive.


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#288677 - 2019-11-02 01:07 Re: Can Sooloos and Roon both use the same QNAP NAS for storage [Re: VirusKiller]
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Exporting and importing the entire Sooloos library is quite painful.

When I ported my library from the Meridian Ensemble to the QNAP, was using backup restore, it took me 3 days and multiple attempts.

The Export function to iTunes function using Control:Mac stopped working after I switched to the QNAP. I've not tried native file Export to a folder yet.

Since my 16TB QNAP is only 20% full, can I create a new volume and export the Sooloos library to a folder in the new volume; basically having Sooloos Core & library on Volume 1 and Roon library on Volume 2 on the same QNAP unit?

Roon Core will run on on the Nucleus+. Since I can't update the QNAP, it'd be running the latest version that's compatible to Sooloos.


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HT: Integra 80.3 AVR, 50.3 BlueRay, 5.2: Triad & DD10+
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#288678 - 2019-11-02 01:26 Re: Can Sooloos and Roon both use the same QNAP NAS for storage [Re: Saint0]
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In my case I used a Sooloos backup on a external drive and then did a native export on the same drive. It was about 3000 albums and went well.

When I tried a native export from the Sooloos folders on the QNAP to a new Roon folder on the same QNAP, it took five times longer.


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#288705 - 2019-11-03 13:17 Re: Can Sooloos and Roon both use the same QNAP NAS for storage [Re: Saint0]
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Beware... as hinted at in some of the comments above an export using a NAS is painfully slow. The tag tool.exe just doesn’t like network actions.

Save time and frustration and export to USB HDD and then copy to the NAS.
The external HDD will then be a very handy backup for when your NAS hits an issue.

I saw QNAP had some security issues this week. Only a matter of time.


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#288717 - 2019-11-04 00:15 Re: Can Sooloos and Roon both use the same QNAP NAS for storage [Re: ncpl]
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Thanks for the warning.

RE: Exporting to USB HDD.

I'm using Control:Mac. The Sooloos Core and Library are on the QNAP, and the backup HDD is connected to the Mac. Do I connect the export drive to the QNAP USB output to avoid going through the network?


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HT: Integra 80.3 AVR, 50.3 BlueRay, 5.2: Triad & DD10+
Runco VX2000, Stewart 110" screen, SONY 65" XBR 4K
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Crestron PRO2, 8x8 Audio Switch, PS Audio P10
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#288719 - 2019-11-04 08:33 Re: Can Sooloos and Roon both use the same QNAP NAS for storage [Re: Saint0]
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I may be wrong as I’ve only exported files on couple of occasions many moons ago but I believe no matter where core and store are, Control:Mac will be marshalling this process so best to keep USB attached to Mac.


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