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#288290 - 2019-10-09 06:58 Re: Active power cables and mains filters [Re: Akimo]
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I’ve not accused anyone of a lack of integrity, perhaps bias and inappropriateness. Think and hear what you like but let’s not let snake oil pass unchallenged. Looks like everyone missed the Bruce is a good guy comment. Not entirely surprised by the defensive response, especially by those who’ve bought into it.

Dealers have been a lot more restrained than this historically. Conflict of interest has become less tolerated by society in recent years.

Noise passes through Ethernet to DACs, reduce that and you improve SQ. That’s the science. I’m not selling a £40 box but if you look at what’s happening in the Hi-Fi world relating to isolation and the benefits it brings, you’ll find it’s not snake oil. I’m not a vendor.

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#288295 - 2019-10-09 16:38 Re: Active power cables and mains filters [Re: Ogri]
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Count me a believer in sonic improvements from Shunyata components, and one who is appreciative of Bruce's helpful guidance (on this forum and in professional dealings).

John


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#288296 - 2019-10-09 20:27 Re: Active power cables and mains filters [Re: Ogri]
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Some quick comments:

* Do you see the irony of claiming people are being dismissive towards you?

* I think the dealers on this forum have been nothing but extremely helpful, I’ve never seen them try and push people into buying from them. Ever.

* Just because one cannot explain why something happens does not mean it cannot happen

It seems you have decided that no external power component can improve the sound of your system, that is your right. But I would ask that you respect the opinions of others too.



DSP7200SE's, 818v3, Antipodes CX.
Shunyata Triton v3/Typhon QR, PS Audio P5 (for 818), 2xSotM sNH-10G.
[Using a mix of Alpha NR, Delta NR power cables + SotM and AudioQuest Diamond interconnects.]
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#288297 - 2019-10-09 20:45 Re: Active power cables and mains filters [Re: Ogri]
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Originally Posted By Ogri
Noise passes through Ethernet to DACs, reduce that and you improve SQ. That’s the science.


That's a claim. That's not science. For it to be science would require measurement and analysis.

And it's really more engineering than science. Science says, hanging a big wire out the back of something introduces noise into the system. But like, did everyone forget that? Are the Meridian engineers not aware of "wires pick up noise"? I find that hard to believe. So lets assume that they know that. Now the question is, "Did Meridian not account for noise in the incoming ethernet cable when they designed the ID40 and ID41?"

That's definitely not a science question. Specifically the statement "Noise passes through ethernet to the DACs", is the non-science question that would be addressed by "Did Meridian engineers address that issue in their design?" Does it pass through? Or does their design stop it?

No one is arguing that Maxwell and Faraday are poor Physicists. But some of us are wondering if Stuart might be a really good Engineer.


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#288298 - 2019-10-09 20:53 Re: Active power cables and mains filters [Re: Jeremy A-H]
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BTW I would add that I understand your scepticism, I was very cynical of power and audio switches until I gave a Russ Andrews cable a go. That led to many months of research before trying a Shunyata Triton v2, which blew me away.


DSP7200SE's, 818v3, Antipodes CX.
Shunyata Triton v3/Typhon QR, PS Audio P5 (for 818), 2xSotM sNH-10G.
[Using a mix of Alpha NR, Delta NR power cables + SotM and AudioQuest Diamond interconnects.]
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#288299 - 2019-10-09 21:01 Re: Active power cables and mains filters [Re: JamieB]
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Originally Posted By JamieB
Now the question is, "Did Meridian not account for noise in the incoming ethernet cable when they designed the ID40 and ID41?"
I think Bob went on record as saying that, after designing the ID40, they discovered that noise on the ethernet cable was making a difference to SQ, which is why they replaced the ID40 with the ID41.


DSP7200SE's, 818v3, Antipodes CX.
Shunyata Triton v3/Typhon QR, PS Audio P5 (for 818), 2xSotM sNH-10G.
[Using a mix of Alpha NR, Delta NR power cables + SotM and AudioQuest Diamond interconnects.]
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#288301 - 2019-10-10 07:55 Re: Active power cables and mains filters [Re: Jeremy A-H]
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Originally Posted By Jeremy A-H
Some quick comments:

* Do you see the irony of claiming people are being dismissive towards you?

* I think the dealers on this forum have been nothing but extremely helpful, I’ve never seen them try and push people into buying from them. Ever.

* Just because one cannot explain why something happens does not mean it cannot happen

It seems you have decided that no external power component can improve the sound of your system, that is your right. But I would ask that you respect the opinions of others too.


* People have spent a lot of money, chance are they will be defensive.
* Extolling the virtues of a product they sell, non Meridian and contentious, that doesn’t seem right to me. All the helpful stuff is just people being defensive. I said he’s a nice guy.
* Sure, this topic is controversial, everyone raving about how good it is without challenge leads to a false picture. It give the product false credibility.

External power is obviously important and can make “differences”. What I think isn’t particularly important, the topic has been done to death over the years and remains highly controversial. Let’s take care not to mislead others. There’s a moral duty here as well.

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#288302 - 2019-10-10 08:05 Re: Active power cables and mains filters [Re: JamieB]
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Is Stuart a good engineer? That’s what gets me, people pay £20,000 plus for speakers, new high band width amps and then conclude the producers don’t know what they’re doing.

If you want to tinker, you might be looking at internal components first.

SpeakerLink is AES/EBU coming from an end point. It’s all inside (but probably not enough).

For the science of isolation, check out the new EtherRegen at uptone. Plenty reading there, no patronising videos or exaggerated claims.

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#288303 - 2019-10-10 08:23 Re: Active power cables and mains filters [Re: Jeremy A-H]
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Originally Posted By Jeremy A-H
BTW I would add that I understand your scepticism, I was very cynical of power and audio switches until I gave a Russ Andrews cable a go. That led to many months of research before trying a Shunyata Triton v2, which blew me away.
I wasn’t cynical, did some research, built some cables, tried some cable, then became cynical.

I thought I’d give Shunyata a go just to be fair. Looking at the price list, even if they were good, I wouldn’t pay that much for them anyway. That money would provide easy gains elsewhere.

Looking at the Shunyata products, £4000 interlink cables, £9000 speaker cables, £2000 USB, and of course the cable lifters, £350 each, Dark Field Suspension System!

I trust you guys have tried these?

Kind of builds a picture about the company.

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#288308 - 2019-10-10 18:20 Re: Active power cables and mains filters [Re: Ogri]
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It feels like this thread has gone off topic.

Should this be split into two separate threads (not that I can see there is much to be said that hasn't already on the topic we ended up on)?


DSP7200SE's, 818v3, Antipodes CX.
Shunyata Triton v3/Typhon QR, PS Audio P5 (for 818), 2xSotM sNH-10G.
[Using a mix of Alpha NR, Delta NR power cables + SotM and AudioQuest Diamond interconnects.]
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#288309 - 2019-10-10 19:26 Re: Active power cables and mains filters [Re: Jeremy A-H]
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The discussion that likes to run and run ... now split out to its own topic.

Regards
Carl


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#288310 - 2019-10-10 20:46 Re: Active power cables and mains filters [Re: Carl]
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Originally Posted By Carl
now split out to its own topic.
Normal programming resumes!


DSP7200SE's, 818v3, Antipodes CX.
Shunyata Triton v3/Typhon QR, PS Audio P5 (for 818), 2xSotM sNH-10G.
[Using a mix of Alpha NR, Delta NR power cables + SotM and AudioQuest Diamond interconnects.]
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