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#286886 - 2019-08-12 14:51 Meridian 210 Streamer - Released!
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Hi All,

After many months of anticipation Meridian Audio are proud to announce the release the new Meridian 210 Streamer.
Available from Tuesday 18th August 2019 here in the UK.

Quote:
The 210 is the latest product in the 200 series range, bringing you the most versatile listening experience yet.

This high performance audio source allows streaming services used on smartphones, tablets and other devices to be played on your Meridian loudspeakers.

Music can be accessed through Spotify Connect and Bluetooth. It also supports UPnP and is a Roon Ready device.
More information on the Meridian website: Meridian 210 Streamer.
Video about the Meridian 210 here: Meridian 210 Video

The 210 can easily be integrated into legacy (non speakerlink) Meridian systems using the 210's RCA coaxial digital audio output and a 'Speakerlink to Din Comms' adaptor or custom cable to provide volume control of your system from the volume buttons on your telephone while streaming.

Please contact your Meridian Dealer for an audition, for further information, or to place your order!

Rick
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Edited by AudioImages - Rick; 2019-08-14 13:33. Edit Reason: Added legacy Info
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#286887 - 2019-08-12 15:11 Re: Meridian 210 Streamer - Released! [Re: AudioImages - Rick]
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Woohoo!

Dammit, I won’t have anything to complain about. whistle

Oh, Apple AirPlay has been dropped.


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#286889 - 2019-08-12 15:13 Re: Meridian 210 Streamer - Released! [Re: spinaltap]
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We will see 😉


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#286890 - 2019-08-12 15:18 Re: Meridian 210 Streamer - Released! [Re: AudioImages - Rick]
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Yay! 😃


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#286891 - 2019-08-12 15:29 Re: Meridian 210 Streamer - Released! [Re: AudioImages - Rick]
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Do we have a confirmed RRP for this?


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#286893 - 2019-08-12 15:35 Re: Meridian 210 Streamer - Released! [Re: Gianni]
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#286894 - 2019-08-12 15:36 Re: Meridian 210 Streamer - Released! [Re: AudioImages - Rick]
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Thanks Rick


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#286895 - 2019-08-12 15:58 Re: Meridian 210 Streamer - Released! [Re: spinaltap]
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Guess I was correct after all 😀


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#286897 - 2019-08-12 16:21 Re: Meridian 210 Streamer - Released! [Re: CMB Integrations - Bruce]
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Out of curiosity, anyone know what streams aptX HD?

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#286900 - 2019-08-12 17:14 Re: Meridian 210 Streamer - Released! [Re: Ogri]
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Some info here


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#286901 - 2019-08-12 18:17 Re: Meridian 210 Streamer - Released! [Re: spinaltap]
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Originally Posted By spinaltap
Woohoo!Oh, Apple AirPlay has been dropped.
I’ve jumped in and ordered one today - apparently it works with AirPlay 2.


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#286902 - 2019-08-12 18:24 Re: Meridian 210 Streamer - Released! [Re: Mat]
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#286903 - 2019-08-12 18:25 Re: Meridian 210 Streamer - Released! [Re: Crion]
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Doesn’t seem to mention apple AirPlay on the website.


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#286904 - 2019-08-12 18:25 Re: Meridian 210 Streamer - Released! [Re: Crion]
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Afraid I can’t offer any more, I was only told it works with AirPlay 2.

My only concerns were Roon and Spotify compatibility, as we don’t use AirPlay in our home (although it would allow visitors to).

MQA decoding is a bonus as my M6 will only partly render MQA, and their placement and environment aren’t conducive to critical listening.


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#286905 - 2019-08-12 18:34 Re: Meridian 210 Streamer - Released! [Re: Mat]
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The obsolete 210 streamer datasheet hosted on Duncan's Meridian Info mentions Apple AirPlay but the latest 210 streamer at a glance release hosted by Meridian Audio does not.


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#286907 - 2019-08-12 19:05 Re: Meridian 210 Streamer - Released! [Re: Mat]
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Mat

I don’t believe the 210 has Airplay or Airplay2 support, you may want to check with a knowledgeable dealer before purchasing.


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#286909 - 2019-08-12 19:31 Re: Meridian 210 Streamer - Released! [Re: Ratbert]
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Can someone clarify whether there is a DAC inside the 210 streamer ? I am under the impression there isn’t one ? Or is the built in MQA decoder a DAC ?
Thanks


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#286910 - 2019-08-12 19:50 Re: Meridian 210 Streamer - Released! [Re: NavSWEDEN]
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There is no analogue output.


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#286911 - 2019-08-12 19:52 Re: Meridian 210 Streamer - Released! [Re: NavSWEDEN]
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Originally Posted By NavSWEDEN
Can someone clarify whether there is a DAC inside the 210 streamer ? I am under the impression there isn’t one ? Or is the built in MQA decoder a DAC ?Thanks
No DAC exists in the 210. Meridian suggest connecting the 210 digital out to an external DAC.

Originally Posted By Mat
MQA decoding is a bonus as my M6 will only partly render MQA
M6 do not at all render MQA. That’s why I utilise a 218 with my M6’s


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#286913 - 2019-08-12 20:00 Re: Meridian 210 Streamer - Released! [Re: spinaltap]
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Thanks. So to achieve full fat MQA, will Tidal > 210 > SE DSPs work?


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#286915 - 2019-08-12 20:32 Re: Meridian 210 Streamer - Released! [Re: NavSWEDEN]
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I guess this is really for the SE speaker guys who want to keep it all Meridian?

I can't see what else this offers over a Raspberry Pi if you are a Roon user?

I preferred the sound of the Pi over my MS600, but maybe the 210 will be cleaner than the MS600?


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#286916 - 2019-08-12 20:35 Re: Meridian 210 Streamer - Released! [Re: Ratbert]
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Originally Posted By Ratbert
Mat, I don’t believe the 210 has Airplay or Airplay2 support, you may want to check with a knowledgeable dealer before purchasing.
Thanks although I don’t need AirPlay (rather I was only responding to another HHer asking it it was included).


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#286917 - 2019-08-12 20:40 Re: Meridian 210 Streamer - Released! [Re: spinaltap]
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Originally Posted By spinaltap
Originally Posted By Mat
MQA decoding is a bonus as my M6 will only partly render MQA
M6 do not at all render MQA. That’s why I utilise a 218 with my M6’s
Thank you! I meant to say my M6 will play unfolded MQA (from the 210) up to 24/96 but not beyond. Think I have that right?

Mat


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#286920 - 2019-08-12 21:50 Re: Meridian 210 Streamer - Released! [Re: Mat]
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I can confirm that, contrary to the original intentions, the 210 does not have Airplay or Airplay 2.

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#286921 - 2019-08-12 21:54 Re: Meridian 210 Streamer - Released! [Re: AudioImages - Rick]
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Thank you Rick as that is contrary to what I had been told. In my home it does not matter as we use Tidal/Roon (me) and Spotify (my children). But of course it will matter to others.

Mat


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#286923 - 2019-08-13 06:20 Re: Meridian 210 Streamer - Released! [Re: Mat]
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I had planned in utilising the 210 in streaming from Amarra via AirPlay. frown

Guess I will wait until the exchange rate substantively improves before considering Roon (gasp). smirk


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#286924 - 2019-08-13 06:30 Re: Meridian 210 Streamer - Released! [Re: spinaltap]
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Originally Posted By spinaltap
Guess I will wait until the exchange rate substantively improves before considering Roon (gasp). smirk
Or try Roon’s free trial and see if you like it? I use Roon and AirPlay to stream to my sound bar via SkyQ and it works perfectly.


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#286925 - 2019-08-13 06:58 Re: Meridian 210 Streamer - Released! [Re: Ratbert]
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I have already tried it: I was a Roon beta tester.

I asked Meridian why they had dropped AirPlay from the 210...
Quote:
All pre-release announcements are subject to change until the final product launch and we decided to launch the 210 now with this feature set to address our (Meridian’s) biggest commercial opportunities.


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#286926 - 2019-08-13 09:37 Re: Meridian 210 Streamer - Released! [Re: AudioImages - Rick]
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I've added a link to a video all about the 210 in my original post.
Link here also: Meridian 210 Video
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#286927 - 2019-08-13 10:05 Re: Meridian 210 Streamer - Released! [Re: AudioImages - Rick]
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That must be a sour Apple to swallow for some.
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#286931 - 2019-08-13 10:51 Re: Meridian 210 Streamer - Released! [Re: Hector]
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Loss of Airplay is a major omission IMHO. Since Apple devices can't do aptX (let alone aptX HD) they will stream over the lowest possible quality (SBC) - unless the 210 is capable of AAC over Bluetooth (the data sheet says AAC decoding but I don't think that is the same thing).

Airplay would have given the ability to stream losslessly. Right now there are quite a few devices out there with Airplay that are cheaper (Bluesound devices for example) that have greater functionality as well (including internet radio). Let's face it even the Naim Muso QB (a well regarded device) has better functionality + amplification and speakers for less.

Right now I'm on the fence - the 210 fits nicely into my Meridian ecosystem but its functionality doesn't match what I need in my home - disappointing.

Graham

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#286935 - 2019-08-13 13:45 Re: Meridian 210 Streamer - Released! [Re: Gparrington]
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You are in error: MacOS does indeed stream aptX (but not HD). I routinely use it to stream to my B&O H8’s from my Mac Mini Server.

By using Apple Remote on my iPhone, I can access/stream my entire music library that is resident on my MM, and listen on my aptX H8’s.


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#286938 - 2019-08-13 14:44 Re: Meridian 210 Streamer - Released! [Re: spinaltap]
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True for Macs not true for iPhones/iPads (which is what we care about) - they still don't do aptX.

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#286943 - 2019-08-13 17:41 Re: Meridian 210 Streamer - Released! [Re: Gparrington]
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I saw the 210 today in Martins Hi Fi Norwich, it was playing some M6’s.

Apparently they only had one left to sell, that’s good business. I have a kitchen to plan for so couldn’t oblige...

The glass top is apparently required for the Bluetooth function and is not just cosmetic.

It’s a lot for me to spend just to be able to sync with other Roon ready devices. It would be great if they did a RAAT update, even at a cost, to the 218. Not holding breath though.


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#286969 - 2019-08-14 12:07 Re: Meridian 210 Streamer - Released! [Re: ChrisLayerUK]
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They probably meant that it needs a hole in it so it does not act like a faraday cage - I assume its metal. The glass probably is just a cosmetic choice of material.


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#286973 - 2019-08-14 12:43 Re: Meridian 210 Streamer - Released! [Re: Ian]
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I didn’t go into detail on this but you are probably correct and glass is the best cosmetic solution which also mirrors (Pun intended) Previous Meridian designs. There are also glass panels at the sides.


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#286975 - 2019-08-14 13:35 Re: Meridian 210 Streamer - Released! [Re: Ian]
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Indeed, no good having wireless communication in a metal case!
The glass allows the Wi-Fi and Blutooth signals through.


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#286976 - 2019-08-14 13:38 Re: Meridian 210 Streamer - Released! [Re: AudioImages - Rick]
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For legacy Meridian system owners the 210 has RCA coaxial digital output, and we can supply a custom made 210 SpeakerLink out to DIN Comms cable for legacy system connection.

This Comms cable is required for Meridian system volume control from your telephone volume buttons while streaming.

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#287011 - 2019-08-15 09:08 Re: Meridian 210 Streamer - Released! [Re: AudioImages - Rick]
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Meridian’s convoluted solution to using AirPlay on the 210...
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The 210 itself does not support Apple Airplay, but it possible to do this using one of the Apple devices which can receive Airplay and has Bluetooth connectivity. If such a device is connected to the 210 via a Bluetooth connection, simply Airplay to the Apple device and it will pass audio over the Bluetooth connection to the 210. One example of this type to set-up is to use an Apple TV playing video to a screen via its HDMI output while audio is played via a Bluetooth connection to the Meridian system.

If you already have a 218, for example, save yourself £700 in buying Yamaha’s offering instead.


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#287012 - 2019-08-15 09:27 Re: Meridian 210 Streamer - Released! [Re: spinaltap]
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Oh dear, just because it can technically be done doesn’t make it a good solution frown


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#287013 - 2019-08-15 10:15 Re: Meridian 210 Streamer - Released! [Re: Ratbert]
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Is Airplay even relevant ?

I only use iPhones and iPads and if I wanted to link to a 210 I would use Bluetooth direct to it. Why faff with another conversion route ?

Bluetooth is brand agnostic and Airplay isn't.

Guests that arrive and want to connect their phone can do so using BT from any brand of phone.

What am I missing here ?


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#287014 - 2019-08-15 10:35 Re: Meridian 210 Streamer - Released! [Re: ncpl]
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Airplay can be useful, when you stream to SkyQ from Roon it uses Airplay doesn’t it?
As for the 210 a very late incomplete product which holds little appeal for me.
YMMV


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#287015 - 2019-08-15 10:42 Re: Meridian 210 Streamer - Released! [Re: Ratbert]
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Originally Posted By Ratbert
As for the 210 a very late incomplete product which holds little appeal...
I wholeheartedly agree with you.

Originally Posted By ncpl
Is Airplay even relevant? What am I missing here?
AirPlay allows the following (for non Roon users)...

Those that have a large iTunes music library resident elsewhere in the house, but only have small storage capacity on their iPhone/iPad, can utilise Apple Remote on their iOS device to access/stream/play their entire music library (in addition to accessing Apple Music playback).


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#287019 - 2019-08-15 13:14 Re: Meridian 210 Streamer - Released! [Re: Ratbert]
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Originally Posted By Ratbert
Airplay can be useful, when you stream to SkyQ from Roon it uses Airplay doesn’t it?
Yes... It does but that is because SKYQ had it and Roon can use it. The 210 doesn't have it but Roon can use RAAT... in that scenario.

My point isn't whether there is use for Airplay in general, but, more so with the 210.

Originally Posted By spinaltap
AirPlay allows the following (for non Roon users)...

Those that have a large iTunes music library resident elsewhere in the house, but only have small storage capacity on their iPhone/iPad, can utilise Apple Remote on their iOS device to access/stream/play their entire music library (in addition to accessing Apple Music playback).
I can see that scenario although have zero sympathy for it wink iTunes is truly awful and they should be on Roon anyway using RAAT.

I agree with you both that it is an incomplete feature set. I was just wondering how it might stream to a Prime headphone setup to get the max out of that. But I cannot. The SPDIF/SpeakerLink will be limited to 96 and there is no USB to feed the Prime with up to 192.


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#287020 - 2019-08-15 13:37 Re: Meridian 210 Streamer - Released! [Re: ncpl]
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Airplay will play lossless from Apple units, bluetooth is compressed.

They should have had casting on the 210, allowing you to cast from Soundcloud etc.


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#287021 - 2019-08-15 14:40 Re: Meridian 210 Streamer - Released! [Re: ncpl]
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Wasn't there an USB and RAAT is not limited to 96kHz?

Anyways I find MQA decoder more interesting in the case of a Meridian setup then you can do the full unfold origami. I don't have time to deal with non-MQA content nowadays I'm glad there is Tidal Masters with MQA.


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#287022 - 2019-08-15 14:44 Re: Meridian 210 Streamer - Released! [Re: gIzzE]
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Originally Posted By gIzzE
Airplay will play lossless from Apple units, bluetooth is compressed.
Plus, if AirPlay had been an integral feature of the 210, one could point iTunes to the music library that hung off the 210’s connected USB HDD.


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#287023 - 2019-08-15 14:44 Re: Meridian 210 Streamer - Released! [Re: Crion]
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But I bet that we will see this streamer hardware appearing in more products soon. So being able to "retrofit" Airplay in an over-the-air update to the app/fw would benefit more coming streaming products/updates. Anyways, makes sense from a financial standpoint to reuse this piece of engineering. Like Naim does with their streaming hardware and Mu-So 2 range etc...

I have one on order so I might play with it for a bit. Will be used for an F80 zone (yes with ifi purifiers as optical converters and a reviver..).


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#287024 - 2019-08-15 14:49 Re: Meridian 210 Streamer - Released! [Re: Crion]
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RAAT is not limited to 96 (correct) but the 210 is not a DAC. So, it has to pass the digital content via one of it's outputs and AFAIK the only link that can handle >96 is USB... and it is missing.

I also continue to enjoy the MQA experience.


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#287025 - 2019-08-15 14:50 Re: Meridian 210 Streamer - Released! [Re: Crion]
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Yet, Meridian clearly state that the 210 does not support AirPlay. If it did, they would have instead stated that AirPlay is not presently available.


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#287026 - 2019-08-15 15:01 Re: Meridian 210 Streamer - Released! [Re: spinaltap]
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That is a fair distinction spinaltap.


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#287028 - 2019-08-15 16:07 Re: Meridian 210 Streamer - Released! [Re: Crion]
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The 210 would require the appropriate AirPort hardware/antennae plus software.

That is, if we accept Meridian’s precise wording, it’s unlikely to require a straightforward firmware update to light-up AirPlay.


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#287029 - 2019-08-15 16:12 Re: Meridian 210 Streamer - Released! [Re: spinaltap]
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Which probably means that they didn't land the licencing arrangement in time/gave up/still working on it/launched without/may add later via an update (delete or combine as you see it).

Why no USB output to support streaming to USB inputs of DACs remains my query.


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#287094 - 2019-08-20 05:42 Re: Meridian 210 Streamer - Released! [Re: ncpl]
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Anyone got it yet? Feedback on app and soundquality?


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#287097 - 2019-08-20 07:18 Re: Meridian 210 Streamer - Released! [Re: ncpl]
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Originally Posted By ncpl
Why no USB output to support streaming to USB inputs of DACs remains my query.
Presumably because -- when originally designed -- its primary use case was sitting in a cabinet, feeding other modular Meridian custom install kit like the 251, and allowing the kids (and their friends) to connect their iPhones to it using Airplay. RAAT useful, but not essential. Although there will be some retail sales (to whom now?), this is a product specified by a custom installer, not a retail one.

I won't beat about the bush though: lack of Airplay undermines the product in a big way, and Meridian will know this. I have no idea what happened, why it got pulled, or whether or not it can be added via a firmware update. I hope so, though note that there is a Bluetooth LED, but no Airplay one (if anything can be read into that).

The point about Airplay is that it's a network, not a proximity-related point-to-point (i.e. need to be near the box) protocol. Bluetooth is a deeply unsatisfactory fallback in this regard. I wonder if there are any "cheap" Airplay to SPDIF bridges that custom installers can use to solve the problem? Used Mac Mini?


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#287099 - 2019-08-20 07:48 Re: Meridian 210 Streamer - Released! [Re: VirusKiller]
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The funny thing is my kids and friends can't be bothered to connect their phones to my system. One of them will pull out a portable speaker which they've all connected to at some point and the incidental music is played...Old man mode... There is a lot more competition in the entertainment area then there use to be. Anecdotally, music seems less important then it was when I was younger!


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#287101 - 2019-08-20 08:03 Re: Meridian 210 Streamer - Released! [Re: GMT]
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Interesting observation Tom. My observation is that kids have a lot more to deal with than my generation (who really did have it "so good" compared to the generations before and after), and that I'm very impressed with the current generation.


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#287102 - 2019-08-20 11:12 Re: Meridian 210 Streamer - Released! [Re: VirusKiller]
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Give them a Radio Times and ask them to look up the details of a programme and you wont be so impressed...


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#287103 - 2019-08-20 11:22 Re: Meridian 210 Streamer - Released! [Re: Ian]
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Or turn off the Internet cry

A friend's daughter used to sit in her car on the drive and wait for the satnav to connect and tell her whether to turn left or right frown

Still we need them to do well to pay our pensions, sweep chimneys etc wink


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#287105 - 2019-08-20 11:35 Re: Meridian 210 Streamer - Released! [Re: Ratbert]
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Why the extraordinary cynicism?


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#287106 - 2019-08-20 12:27 Re: Meridian 210 Streamer - Released! [Re: Ian]
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Originally Posted By Ian
Give them a Radio Times and ask them to look up the details of a programme and you wont be so impressed...
I wouldn't be impressed if someone did that to me! Who needs to know when something starts etc. eek



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#287108 - 2019-08-20 16:45 Re: Meridian 210 Streamer - Released! [Re: GMT]
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Ironically, the episode in question was trying to find out why a particular programme was not available on iPlayer and not showing in the schedule.

The Radio Times gave us the info that we needed that no other technology did - that is the programme that we had hoped to watch was indeed in the schedule, but likely to be delayed (as it was) due to an overrunning sports event.

iPlayer was showing the sports event but said it was the programme we wanted even when playing from the start so that was no help. Online guides didn't show anything for that slot. So just Radio Times but took someone familiar with paper guides to find it.


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#287109 - 2019-08-20 18:37 Re: Meridian 210 Streamer - Released! [Re: VirusKiller]
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Why the extraordinary cynicism?
Fairly tongue in cheek but reasonably fair comment. They can be a bit phone dependant, don’t know how to read a map, and will be paying our pensions.

Speaking as a father. Yes it’s tough out there but there is a feeling of entitlement depending on which segment of society you inhabit...

Not really on topic though, as is RT (but a good example of progress).

Will the 210 stream MQA to SE speakers such a full fat unfold can be achieved?

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#287111 - 2019-08-20 19:51 Re: Meridian 210 Streamer - Released! [Re: Ogri]
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Will the 210 stream MQA to SE speakers such a full fat unfold can be achieved?
Yes!


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#287112 - 2019-08-20 21:18 Re: Meridian 210 Streamer - Released! [Re: Crion]
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Got mine last week already, having been first in the queue at Graham’s for months, ever since discovering my ID40 won’t get an IP address, and the Auralic Aries had to go back for a fix.

I thought the 210 would be a quick fix for Roon/Qobuz - which I’m glad to say, it is, brilliantly. Connected up via SL to an 861v6-and-a-bit (LPS done and v8 input and output cards waiting to go in) and working within about three minutes of running the app. Perfect for what I need immediately and using ‘musiclogic’ has turned roon into a very pleasing and immediate experience. The app does very little to be honest once it’s set up, but who cares. Maybe you’d use it if you had a non 800 controller?

Next is to try out the Bluetooth and replace the little magic “Relay” box from MassFidelity which worked a treat for iPlayer via iPad.

Not bothered about Airplay, have an AppleTV which does all that when (rarely) needed.

I’m most curious to find out if the co-ax output works simultaneously with SL out configured as MHR, as this is intended to need everything streaming related into the kitchen G92. I can’t test this without a bit of extra fiddling I haven’t had time for.

Slight rant alert. I still really miss the aux output that you’re not allowed on the 861 (‘incompatible’ with the reference nature of 800 series apparently). And while on that subject, the UHD722 has two outputs, but if you use MHR, it’s useless as it won’t send audio to the 2nd output. So now a proliferation of extra HDMI splitters and the like to duplicate Sky and Apple TV to the kitchen.

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#287116 - 2019-08-21 00:21 Re: Meridian 210 Streamer - Released! [Re: VirusKiller]
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Originally Posted By VirusKiller
The point about Airplay is that it's a network, not a proximity-related point-to-point (i.e. need to be near the box) protocol. Bluetooth is a deeply unsatisfactory fallback in this regard. I wonder if there are any "cheap" Airplay to SPDIF bridges that custom installers can use to solve the problem? Used Mac Mini?
A used Apple TV 3rd Generation has been my go-to device for getting an Airplay zone into M kit, using the optical output (now deleted from the latest versions). It works effortlessly and they're cheap as chips second-hand. There could be an argument made that the optical interface is less than ideal from an SQ perspective, but when the source is Spotify I think it's pretty academic.

Also OT: I think most millennials are pretty amazing, in my increasingly-extensive experience. Yes, a whole bunch of them seem to lack spatial awareness, but a few generations back I'm sure the kids of the day were being criticised for lacking essential woolly mammoth hunting skills as well. The world moves on. And given that the current generation are going to grapple with some fairly phenomenal challenges - climate change, environmental degradation, a rapidly changing economy and a lot of uncertainty - I think they will not only cope, but may well surprise us all with how brilliantly they do.


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#287120 - 2019-08-21 13:32 Re: Meridian 210 Streamer - Released! [Re: Kent in Welly]
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Interesting Master Kay about you having the 210 connected to an 861.

Having an 861v8 myself with LPS I'm entertaining the thought about trying it into the 861 and benchmarking the 210 against the internal ID41.

I can pull up all sorts of theoretical advantages for the internal combo but it would be interesting to see how far apart they are. I don't have a fancy active 10-40dB noise cancelling cable to the 210 though as it uses the same condensed c5 connector as the F80. And while the 210 specifies "high performance" PSU but in Meridian-speak it could mean either an LPS or a better quality SMPS.

My plan is still to use it for an update of F80 to 2019 connectivity and via SL-->Optical adapters + a Reviver and even still getting a TV set into it.


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#287124 - 2019-08-21 18:31 Re: Meridian 210 Streamer - Released! [Re: Crion]
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Potential Meridian user here.

I like the look of the 210 but want a simple system to listen to music stored on a NAS and via Tidal.

Am I right in thinking that the 210 (via Roon) would enable me to do that if I hooked it up to a couple of 5200SE's? Or am I missing something?


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#287126 - 2019-08-21 19:15 Re: Meridian 210 Streamer - Released! [Re: PRQ]
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Yes that would work out well.


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#287127 - 2019-08-21 20:04 Re: Meridian 210 Streamer - Released! [Re: PRQ]
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As would a number of cheaper and possibly better streamers. May not be able to do MQA full fat like this unit but if you read CA and Roon forums, you’ll know that listening to MQA causes cancer and will make your children stupid and MQA will take over the world and poison you and make you blind. Obvs.

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#287128 - 2019-08-21 20:23 Re: Meridian 210 Streamer - Released! [Re: Ogri]
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With talk of full fat MQA, now that this device is finally out in the wild, the real question for me is will the 210 allow SE speakers to perform the final render when Roon performs the first unfold or must the 210 act as the decoder?

Airplay was nice to have for use by guests but if this doesn't allow Roon to unfold then it offers nothing to me other than RAAT multi-room synchronisation over my MS600. I am unlikely to want to sacrifice Roon DSP/Filters just to get MQA.

Has anyone tried this scenario yet?

Anthony.


Sources: MS600, Oppo UHD-203, Zappit 4K SE, Roon/QNAP
Processors: G61RSL, 271 x2, HD621, Lumagen 4240
Outputs: DSP7200SE FL/FR, DSP5200SE VC, DSP3200 x8, DSW x4, Epson TW-9300
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#287130 - 2019-08-21 21:44 Re: Meridian 210 Streamer - Released! [Re: Anthony-Howard]
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With the new DSP speaker firmware it should be ok ... but as they say the proof’s in the pudding.

Try giving your dealer a call re firmware for your SE to see if they have it yet.

Regards,
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#287131 - 2019-08-21 22:39 Re: Meridian 210 Streamer - Released! [Re: Carl]
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New speaker firmware to fix their faulty MQA implementation?
Such that I can use room correction, or other DSP, after the first unfold and still enjoy rendering by the speakers?

Other MQA licensees, such as with my iFi and Audioquest DACs, function properly in this regard, but not the 218, Explorer2 or SE speakers I own.

Will my other Meridian products ever become fully functional?


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#287133 - 2019-08-22 04:06 Re: Meridian 210 Streamer - Released! [Re: Carl]
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New firmware for DSP speakers? Is it only for SE speakers or other models as well?


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Explorer 2 for the PC (Audioengine B1) and Headphones (HE-560)

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#287136 - 2019-08-22 08:38 Re: Meridian 210 Streamer - Released! [Re: OldDogCan]
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Originally Posted By OldDogCan
New speaker firmware to fix their faulty MQA implementation?
Such that I can use room correction, or other DSP, after the first unfold and still enjoy rendering by the speakers?
Other MQA licensees, such as with my iFi and Audioquest DACs, function properly in this regard, but not the 218, Explorer2 or SE speakers I own.
Will my other Meridian products ever become fully functional?
Sometimes I feel that I am Meridians biggest critic but I don't think it is fair to say their implementation of MQA is faulty as such. Especially as they were pretty much one of the first licensees out of the gate with a solution. Legacy, outdated perhaps, maybe even short sighted but certainly not faulty. If they are now changing their implementation to better reflect the market needs then I am all for it even though I think it probably lacks several things such as support for legacy products and almost certainly Meridian's own DSP IP such as Trifield and MRC. Still the ability to do DSP in a third-party product such as Roon is all I reasonably expected even if I hoped for more.

As to other Meridian products being fully functional I am not sure what you mean. I think that they are fully functional in a closed Meridian ecosystem but would be interested to hear views on what functionality is lacking. From my perspective I upgraded to a 5200SE centre years ago and then 5200SE fronts before changing them to 7200SEs. Not once in all my time as an SE owner have I ever seen a blue MQA light. If I could somehow unfold MQA in Roon, apply DSP, passthrough via my MS600 to my 7200SEs and see the blue light as the speakers do the final render I would consider myself lucky. Then again when I check my Roon playlists and realise just how little MQA tracks are on it RAAT support of legacy endpoints would probably see more use.

Hearing new firmware is inbound for the speakers is encouraging and I will certainly be enquiring more about this. Who knows maybe seeing a blue MQA light on my SEs for the first time might encourage me to work harder at finding MQA material which still seems in far to short a supply given some of the promises of yesteryear.

Anthony.


Sources: MS600, Oppo UHD-203, Zappit 4K SE, Roon/QNAP
Processors: G61RSL, 271 x2, HD621, Lumagen 4240
Outputs: DSP7200SE FL/FR, DSP5200SE VC, DSP3200 x8, DSW x4, Epson TW-9300
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#287137 - 2019-08-22 09:04 Re: Meridian 210 Streamer - Released! [Re: Anthony-Howard]
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Blue light? I believe DSP and 800 series don’t have the blue LED.
The SE loudspeaker displays the sample rate at which the original master recording was captured and including MQA, that is exactly what I see on mine.

I am now very curious about the said software upgrades!

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#287139 - 2019-08-22 12:14 Re: Meridian 210 Streamer - Released! [Re: JaapJan]
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I wouldn't know! I just assumed as I have yet to get MQA into my SEs.

Anthony.


Sources: MS600, Oppo UHD-203, Zappit 4K SE, Roon/QNAP
Processors: G61RSL, 271 x2, HD621, Lumagen 4240
Outputs: DSP7200SE FL/FR, DSP5200SE VC, DSP3200 x8, DSW x4, Epson TW-9300
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#287142 - 2019-08-22 13:26 Re: Meridian 210 Streamer - Released! [Re: Anthony-Howard]
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#287143 - 2019-08-22 13:50 Re: Meridian 210 Streamer - Released! [Re: GMT]
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Hi Tom
Still enjoying my old DSP7200’s? cool

I hope Meridian develop and release some interesting and innovative consumer products in the future, I really do, but I am not holding my breath.


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#287146 - 2019-08-22 15:27 Re: Meridian 210 Streamer - Released! [Re: Ratbert]
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Custom install only 😳


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#287147 - 2019-08-22 15:30 Re: Meridian 210 Streamer - Released! [Re: Jon Raines]
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Originally Posted By Jon Raines
Custom install only 😳
Probably, at least for the foreseeable future. frown


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#287148 - 2019-08-22 15:45 Re: Meridian 210 Streamer - Released! [Re: ncpl]
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Originally Posted By ncpl
Which probably means that they didn't land the licencing arrangement in time/gave up/still working on it/launched without/may add later via an update (delete or combine as you see it).
With Apple's new high resolution service coming (or here?), why be quick to support a device designed to run Roon/Tidal/Qobuz, etc. They will be slow walked through the approval process and always 3 features behind. Roon built into AV receivers, Tidal future video activities, who knows what else which competes with Apple devices, are reasons for Apple to be less than cooperative with a competing proprietary ecosystem.


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FL1: G61R, 218, DSP8000SEs, 5500HC, DSP5000s, DirecTv, Oppo BD103, QNAP469, Roon
FL2: Marantz 7005, M60s, M60C, M33s, Oppo BDP-93, MS200, Roon
Edited by Carl; 2019-08-22 15:54. Edit Reason: Fixed quote tag
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#287152 - 2019-08-22 18:20 Re: Meridian 210 Streamer - Released! [Re: Mtns]
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Originally Posted By Mtns
With Apple's new high resolution service coming (or here?)
AFAIK, it's a rebranding exercise, nothing more. Still 256 or maybe 320kbps AAC.


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#287153 - 2019-08-22 19:27 Re: Meridian 210 Streamer - Released! [Re: VirusKiller]
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For 210 owners that intend to utilise UPnP/DLNA - and don't use Roon or Bluetooth - on their Mac/PC...

Install Asset UPnP on your Mac/PC. There is a free and paid-for version. On initial launch, Asset UPnP will scan your music library.

Asset UPnP is developed by the same guys that gave us dBpoweramp.

Works on Synology and QNAP too.

Next, on your iPad, download (ironically) Linn Kazoo from the AppStore.

From Kazoo you should be able to then identify Asset UPnP as your music source and your 210 as your UPnP audio endpoint.

Surely, it wouldn’t be too arduous for Meridian to modify their new Control app to take advantage of Asset (instead of having to use Kazoo).


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#287181 - 2019-08-23 21:48 Re: Meridian 210 Streamer - Released! [Re: spinaltap]
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Hi

Got my 210 installed to 271 to 5500s and installed Roon on Mac with Tidal.

Now playing various MQA tracks, now MQA light varies from green to blue, one being authenticated, the other Studio according to 210 manual.

Assume linked to sample rate as they vary from 48 to 96 to 192. Assume 192 is best ! But please can anyone explain?

There is also a magenta for core but have not seen that yet!

Kevin


Main system: 271, Arcam 860, 5500, 5500HC, 8x 33s, OPPO 203, Xbox one S, AppleTV4K, MAC mini, Sony vw760 , Stewart cabaret screen, LG 850 hdr tv, Linn LP12, Itok, Klyde, SkyQ,
Broken! G68D 598DP
System 2: 565,Marantz SR6011, HD621, 519, 5000, 5000c, Mission 770, Quad 405x2, xBox1, SkyHD, Apple TV. JVC HD950.
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#287182 - 2019-08-24 06:59 Re: Meridian 210 Streamer - Released! [Re: Linnasak]
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The Blue light is all about provenance. The Blue is authenticated and signed off as the studio master.
The Green is an MQA file but authentication cannot or has not been confirmed as the original master, or it is not the final mix.
That’s as I understand it from reading the MQA web site (Bob Talks) It’s worth having a good read there.


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#287184 - 2019-08-24 08:09 Re: Meridian 210 Streamer - Released! [Re: AudioImages - Rick]
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Follow up to earlier post.

Bluetooth connection perfect. You can pair any device from the app (you don't have to be 'on' the device you're connecting), or just connect to 210 in the Bluetooth settings of the device you want to connect from.

If MHR is selected, it is sent to all outputs so the co-ax out is useless. With MHR de-selected, both outputs work fine.

The app appears not to (always) remember the connection "no devices found" and you have to reconnect, but as I said before, I'm not sure when you need the app unless you're changing configuration. Switching between Roon and bluetooth and vv is fully automatic. I imagine anything connected to the SpeakerLink input might do the same.

Re MQA, this is what the app says:
Originally Posted By MQA Limited
The Meridian 210 includes MQA core technology, which unfolds an MQA file once to recover all the direct music-related information.

The audio is output from the 210 at a sampling rate of 88.2kHz or 96kHz. The final unfold of the MQA file is carried out if the output of the 210 is fed to another Meridian product which includes MQA renderer technology.
Is that different from what's been suggested elsewhere in this post? I don't have full understanding of MQA yet!

I don't have any MQA sources, opinion here seems to be that MQA through Roon isn't a proper implementation (is that right?). I might try a Tidal trial just to see what happens; I know there are some free MQA downloads - I assume I just dump these on a USB stick and go from there.

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#287189 - 2019-08-24 09:22 Re: Meridian 210 Streamer - Released! [Re: Master Kay]
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Originally Posted By Master Kay
If MHR is selected, it is sent to all outputs so the co-ax out is useless.
I'd not say "useless" they too would work fine when connected to legacy 24 bit Meridian DSP's that support MHR. The 210 isn't really designed to drive a MHR and non-MHR device simultaneously.

I guess the question that some want confirming is can the 210 be used to send a decoded MQA signal (MQB) to a 3rd party MQA DAC via coax for rendering. Maybe yourself or another 210 owner could confirm.

Originally Posted By Master Kay
... opinion here seems to be that MQA through Roon isn't a proper implementation (is that right?).
Where has that been suggested? Roon's handling of it is just fine, there are two options:

- Pass through the unfolded MQA signal perfectly.
- MQA decode (first unfold) and output a MQB signal (Roon can even apply it's DSP functions and still maintain MQB integrity).

In contrast, Meridian's present implementation of MQA rendering (when feeding the DACs) is limited; and appears to only function correctly when feed decoded MQA from a Meridian MQA decoder via SpeakerLink. That said, to be fair, I believe this was down to stricter MQA licence conditions that were present at the time (M being the first adopter).

There is recent talk of new Meridian firmware for their "performance" [5200.2, 7200.2 & 8000.2] and SE DSP speakers to enable them to render a [standard] MQB signal Roon and other non-M decoder's output. Watch this space.

Regards,
Carl


861v6+ID40, HD621, 8000.2, 7200HC, 7200.2, SKYQ Silver, PS3, PDP-LX6090, QNAP TS870-Pro (8*6TB), Roon, iPadAir2.
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#287193 - 2019-08-24 11:32 Re: Meridian 210 Streamer - Released! [Re: Carl]
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Slightly strange issue.

The 271 was not connected to the internet it is turned on off by trigger from Arcam. The control app can’t find it, the IP app can, but can’t find the 210. The 271 has default vol of 60. The 210 has startup volume of 45. When I start from IP app I sometimes get 60 sometimes 45, when from control app sometimes 45 sometimes 60.

Now the 210 is new so wonder if the app is just for this or does it control say a 218? Surprised it can’t find 271 as quite new, but perhaps a niche product.

Anyway this is indirectly the way I can resolve issues where I have Arcam sources on startup of 60 and Roon on startup of 45 ie Roon uses 210 default and Arcam uses 271 default, so can vary with Arcam volume control.

Now I don’t get totally consistent predictable result as sometime control app comes on with the 271 default, sometimes IP app with 210 default. Coming from software company suspect bug where it retrieves / stores the startup volume variable.

I will send to Meridian support to see if it could be set to give constant results and I'll try various combinations see if I can see pattern.

Kevin


Main system: 271, Arcam 860, 5500, 5500HC, 8x 33s, OPPO 203, Xbox one S, AppleTV4K, MAC mini, Sony vw760 , Stewart cabaret screen, LG 850 hdr tv, Linn LP12, Itok, Klyde, SkyQ,
Broken! G68D 598DP
System 2: 565,Marantz SR6011, HD621, 519, 5000, 5000c, Mission 770, Quad 405x2, xBox1, SkyHD, Apple TV. JVC HD950.
Panasonic BD.Toshiba HD-DVD.
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#287195 - 2019-08-24 11:45 Re: Meridian 210 Streamer - Released! [Re: Linnasak]
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Multiple attenuation is best avoided if possible, attenuating an attenuated signal will work ok but is probably not best for quality.


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#287197 - 2019-08-24 12:28 Re: Meridian 210 Streamer - Released! [Re: Ratbert]
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I could set default on 271 and 210 at 45, then set default on Arcam to 80, wife and kids like using multiple remotes to control volume for Arcam sources. So I would have to fix these so they vary Meridian volume.

Sky Q basic remote controls Meridian, but touch control doesn’t, but does control Arcam. Arcam also used for sources on Arcam so natural choice for volume.

Also if I change everything will have to explain why, leading to why did you buy that new box!

Hence my wish to set Meridian at high gain and vary with Arcam for the Arcam sources, but set low (45) when listening to roon on 210 direct to 271.

Kevin


Main system: 271, Arcam 860, 5500, 5500HC, 8x 33s, OPPO 203, Xbox one S, AppleTV4K, MAC mini, Sony vw760 , Stewart cabaret screen, LG 850 hdr tv, Linn LP12, Itok, Klyde, SkyQ,
Broken! G68D 598DP
System 2: 565,Marantz SR6011, HD621, 519, 5000, 5000c, Mission 770, Quad 405x2, xBox1, SkyHD, Apple TV. JVC HD950.
Panasonic BD.Toshiba HD-DVD.
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#287199 - 2019-08-24 12:32 Re: Meridian 210 Streamer - Released! [Re: Linnasak]
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#287252 - 2019-08-26 09:23 Re: Meridian 210 Streamer - Released! [Re: Ratbert]
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I’ve asked Meridian if they could update their recently released Control App so that it recognises a UPnP source on launch rather than Bluetooth.


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#287310 - 2019-08-27 14:43 Re: Meridian 210 Streamer - Released! [Re: Albert]
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I don’t have a problem with buying software: at a price I personally judge to be acceptable value for money.

Sure, Roon, unlike the competition, offers the ability to labour over sleeve notes - but I would rather listen to the music.

Audrivana costs £80, plus iOS remote for £10. It provides MQA, UPnP, AirPlay, Tidal and, Qobuz connectivity. Overall, it provides all the essentials in listening to your music library at a reasonable price. What’s not to like?


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#287311 - 2019-08-27 15:39 Re: Meridian 210 Streamer - Released! [Re: spinaltap]
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I believe the 210 is not just a UPnP endpoint but also a server so it can serve files to itself, just connect a hard drive to the USB port on the back, not sure about the control but assume it is through the app supplied with the 210.
So depending on the setup no PC or NAS is required, depending on your library size of course.

Shame the 210 spec didn’t include USB out or analog out, or that they didn’t include the Bluetooth, Spotify, RAAT support into the existing 218/251.


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#287312 - 2019-08-27 15:44 Re: Meridian 210 Streamer - Released! [Re: Ratbert]
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You will still require a music ‘core’ (check with M if you doubt my word): if only it was as simple as adding a USB HDD to the 210 I wouldn’t have cancelled my order.


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#287313 - 2019-08-27 15:48 Re: Meridian 210 Streamer - Released! [Re: spinaltap]
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I don’t doubt your word but I read things like the following and get confused, obviously as we now know Airplay/Airplay2 was MIA. Surely they didn’t slip up on it being a UPnP server too sick

From Darko

On streaming platform compatibility, the 210 runs the gamut: from aptX Bluetooth, Apple Airplay and Spotify Connect to UPnP/DLNA and Roon Ready. Connect a storage device to the 210’s rear-panel USB socket and the Meridian streamer becomes a UPnP server, capable of streaming to itself, supporting PCM up to 24bit/96kHz. MQA support is also provided.

From Meridian

With the 210 Streamer, music can be accessed through Spotify Connect, Bluetooth® wireless technology and UPnP. It is also a Roon Ready device. The USB input allows it to become a UPnP server.

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#287314 - 2019-08-27 15:57 Re: Meridian 210 Streamer - Released! [Re: Ratbert]
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The Darko piece is inaccurate on AirPlay capability (and I’ve told him so).

Similarly, several PP’s have also advertised the 210’s AirPlay abilities. There will be disappointed customers who buy expecting that feature after taking the PP’s advertising at face value.

Also, while M do indeed describe the 210 as a UPnP server, it still requires a separate music core - such as Roon, for example - from which to operate.


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#287315 - 2019-08-27 16:05 Re: Meridian 210 Streamer - Released! [Re: spinaltap]
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Agreed and eventually Meridian acknowledged Airplay didn’t make it, there has been no word on the UPnP server provision so are we safe to assume the data sheet is correct about this?

Anyone from Meridian care to confirm one way or another.


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#287316 - 2019-08-27 16:07 Re: Meridian 210 Streamer - Released! [Re: Ratbert]
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Meridian have always been crystal clear and unambiguous in their documentation. whistle


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#287317 - 2019-08-27 16:09 Re: Meridian 210 Streamer - Released! [Re: spinaltap]
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PM sent.


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#287319 - 2019-08-27 16:47 Re: Meridian 210 Streamer - Released! [Re: Ratbert]
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I do so look forward to your frequent PM’s. whistle

It’s a pity Meridian didn’t provide a USB 3 interface on the Meridian 210, with the inherent faster transfer speed, since many of the latest external drives feature USB 3. Not a big issue, but since the 210 is a new device...


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#287320 - 2019-08-27 16:50 Re: Meridian 210 Streamer - Released! [Re: spinaltap]
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USB2 probably provides sufficient transfer rate for audio playback.


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#287324 - 2019-08-27 20:21 Re: Meridian 210 Streamer - Released! [Re: Ratbert]
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There are a couple of very active partners here, please chime in, is UPnP server or not?

If it is, that’s impressive, if not, business as usual.

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#287325 - 2019-08-27 21:31 Re: Meridian 210 Streamer - Released! [Re: AudioImages - Rick]
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We got our 210"s today. Looking forward to trying it out.


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#287332 - 2019-08-28 14:06 Re: Meridian 210 Streamer - Released! [Re: CMB Integrations - Bruce]
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I was able to use UPnP and connect to my NAS drive where all my music library resides.

Using a UPnP App such as Media Monkey I was able to see all my albums, playlists, etc. Interestingly pressing the volume buttons on my LG phone running Media Monkey it controlled the volume on the DSP8000SE speakers connected to the 210 over SpeakerLink.

I will do more with trying the USB connection later.


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#287333 - 2019-08-28 14:11 Re: Meridian 210 Streamer - Released! [Re: CMB Integrations - Bruce]
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So I assume your NAS is not running as a UPnP server and that the 210 is acting as the UPnP server, thank you very much for testing and publishing your findings.

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#287334 - 2019-08-28 14:19 Re: Meridian 210 Streamer - Released! [Re: Ratbert]
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Both the 210 and the NAS show up as UPnP devices in Media Monkey. I played from the NAS and "Casted" to the 210.
This said, it is true that you can play music from the NAS to the 210 without a core player such as Roon.


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#287339 - 2019-08-28 16:38 Re: Meridian 210 Streamer - Released! [Re: spinaltap]
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Originally Posted By spinaltap
You will still require a music ‘core’ (check with M if you doubt my word): if only it was as simple as adding a USB HDD to the 210 I wouldn’t have cancelled my order.
I'm currently playing music located on a USB stick, plugged into the USB port on a 210, through some DSP speakers ... and at the same time playing different music, from the same USB stick plugged into the 210, on my Android phone speaker.

Control from the PlugPlayer app on the Android phone.

No other core or server necessary.

The 210 works as a stand-alone UPnP Media Server and Media Player.
It is shown under both device types in the PlugPlayer app.
For it to work as a server the music storage must be connected to the 210 USB input, it can't be on a NAS or other network storage device.

Would you like to buy one!? grin

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#287340 - 2019-08-28 16:56 Re: Meridian 210 Streamer - Released! [Re: AudioImages - Rick]
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I have already: it’s on its way to me.


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#287342 - 2019-08-28 17:42 Re: Meridian 210 Streamer - Released! [Re: AudioImages - Rick]
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So the 210 is a full UPnP server when a hard drive or USB stick is connected to it and UPnP endpoint if your music is on a NAS (most of which could run as a UPnP server) that’s great Rick, thanks very much for the clarification.


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#287375 - 2019-08-30 08:18 Re: Meridian 210 Streamer - Released! [Re: Ratbert]
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My initial use of Meridian 210. With the 210 connected to my 218, I hooked-up a spare Toshiba portable USB HDD to the 210, which contained my music library. My comments relate to using an iPad.

By experimentation, I spent several hours downloading and evaluating multiple iOS UPnP apps. First conclusion, Linn Kazoo doesn’t work at all with the 210. However, the freely available Arcam Music Life does. PlugPlayer is no longer available in iOS.

The most satisfying app is ‘mcontrol’ (iOS and Android). This is my recommended app. It’s intuitive interface easily facilitates choosing the Meridian 210 as the audio output, and my HDD as the music source. On playing a given track the album artwork is displayed on my iPad. Volume control of the 210 is available within the app while playing any given track. The one app will stream to multiple audio output zones.

Standard and HD versions of mcontrol are available: the former works in portrait mode and the latter in landscape orientation. On the developer’s website, the impression is that mcontrol is intended for their own hardware. Nonetheless, it fully works with the Meridian 210. It equally works on my iPad and iPhone.

The mcontrol app enables Tidal, Spotify, Deezer, and Qobuz connectivity. Plus, it connects to Dropbox, OneDrive, iCloud - and v.Tuner.

The developer also offers ‘mconnect’ - in Lite, Standard, and HD versions. The first is free, limited and advertisement supported, and doesn’t show album artwork. The others are paid-for apps. All three are restricted to Tidal and Qobuz connectivity - but still support Dropbox, OneDrive, and iCloud.

Within the settings pane of the Meridian IP app (for the 218), entering ‘mcontrol://‘ in the app switching URL window enables changing over to mcontrol. In this respect, to maintain the landscape viewing of 218, one might prefer installing the HD version of mcontrol or mconnect.

Even so, while I’m very grateful for mcontrol, I do believe it shortsighted of Meridian not to include this kind of UPnP functionality within their own 210 control app.


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#287460 - 2019-09-03 12:58 Re: Meridian 210 Streamer - Released! [Re: spinaltap]
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Alright, feedback on 210 in regards of connecting it to an F80.

It works, next step is to do remote control in a somewhat streamlined way I haven't gotten around to yet. I just wanted to state how I connected it to an F80 and let a TV with optical out be a source over the SL input to a 210 with the help of a reviver and a couple of optical converters.


TV optical out -> ifi SPDIF ipurifier optical in-coax out -> RCA female-RCA female adapter -> Reviver coax input-SL output -> 210 SL input-coax output -> RCA male-RCA male shortlength cable -> ifi SPDIF ipurifier coax in-optical out -> F80 optical in.

Configuration:
non-MHR setup (Non Meridian Equipment) in 210 BT Control app.

Technical Feedback:
1. 210 Won't join a wifi 6 asus AX88 router on 5GHz band, just using the 2.4GHz band for now until Meridian fix 5GHz connectivity on wifi 6.
2. iPhone does not show a BT output on the phone running the Meridian Control app. I can stream BT from another phone but not the same phone running the 210 app.
3. BT connectivity might be a bit "flimsy" compared to an LG PK7, I haven't tested if this is because of too small BT buffers or weak signal. But I triggered it on an iPad air 2 just by rotating the screen from wide to portrait while streaming Tidal to BT on 210. I haven't checked if 210 uses AAC codec over BT (correct) when connected to an iPhone/iPad or if it uses SBC.
4. Digital attenuation or compression on BT input? Measurements needed..
5.

BT sound into an F80? Early days and not everything physically setup tidy behind TV screen but it does not sound not like normal BT sound. More like music, maybe a bit polite and smoother, therefore perhaps my concern about possible digital attenuation or codecs used. But I see this as early days and everything can get better, resilient and more tweaked. Especially with a few informed feedbacks to/from Meridian.




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#287461 - 2019-09-03 13:42 Re: Meridian 210 Streamer - Released! [Re: Crion]
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From your feedback...

I tried Bluetooth connection on my iPhoneSE, streaming to the 210: it works, no problem.

Via Bluetooth, I successfully streamed Spotify and iTunes content from my iPhone. No problems encountered.

As for Wi-Fi streaming, you need a UPnP capable app - such as ‘mcontrol’ (free) on iOS or Android.


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#287464 - 2019-09-03 20:28 Re: Meridian 210 Streamer - Released! [Re: spinaltap]
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The issue was with having the 210 Control app running then starting a BT stream from the same phone. Did not work yesterday at least.


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#287478 - 2019-09-04 06:15 Re: Meridian 210 Streamer - Released! [Re: Crion]
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Forgive me stating the obvious: within the Meridian Control app; did you pair your phone with the app?

That is, it’s not sufficient to pair your phone with the Meridian 210 solely in your phone’s settings - without then doing the same within the app’s configuration page.


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#287481 - 2019-09-04 09:43 Re: Meridian 210 Streamer - Released! [Re: spinaltap]
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I was pressed on time so maybe it was a mistake on my part then. smile

I have to say that the BT sound is really good. Did expect it to do it right but it's much better flow than I thought BT could have on the subjective side of things.


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#287483 - 2019-09-04 10:42 Re: Meridian 210 Streamer - Released! [Re: Crion]
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From the user manual; if you’re streaming Spotify via Bluetooth from your phone, for example, the 210 is actually making a direct connection to Spotify (rather than your phone).


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#287484 - 2019-09-04 12:52 Re: Meridian 210 Streamer - Released! [Re: spinaltap]
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Cool, using Tidal here for reference.


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#287506 - 2019-09-05 06:53 Re: Meridian 210 Streamer - Released! [Re: Crion]
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On your Tidal phone app, are you able to choose the 210 as the output device (as you can in Spotify)?


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#287665 - 2019-09-12 09:54 Re: Meridian 210 Streamer - Released! [Re: spinaltap]
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No but I would really like 210 to have native Tidal support instead of BT or Roon only...


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#287669 - 2019-09-12 12:56 Re: Meridian 210 Streamer - Released! [Re: Crion]
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Use the 'mconnect Lite' free app on an iPad.

This utilises the UPnP feature of the 210 and has Tidal available as a source.
Select Tidal as the 'Browser' and 'Play to' the 210.

Rick


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#287670 - 2019-09-12 13:18 Re: Meridian 210 Streamer - Released! [Re: AudioImages - Rick]
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Nice - Do you get the full range of Tidal quality this way?


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#287673 - 2019-09-12 13:50 Re: Meridian 210 Streamer - Released! [Re: GMT]
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Yes, MQA from the Masters works fine!
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#287676 - 2019-09-12 15:37 Re: Meridian 210 Streamer - Released! [Re: AudioImages - Rick]
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As I previously stated, mcontrol/hd (free) is better and more comprehensive than mconnect lite.


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#287702 - 2019-09-13 17:25 Re: Meridian 210 Streamer - Released! [Re: spinaltap]
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Thankyou, I will try mcontrol with Tidal and 210.

Edit:
I installed mcontrol and browse Tidal and play to 210.
It states, ”Selected device does not support Tidal.”

BUT, Mconnect Lite works fine!

So it seems some apps are picky(?)


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#287768 - 2019-09-17 08:07 Re: Meridian 210 Streamer - Released! [Re: Crion]
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I connected a Roon trial on my Synology DS3617xs NAS to the 210 and it works really well after a quick reboot of the NAS. Compared to the upnp apps its ultraexpensive but the client is so much nicer and it’s not dependent on the phone in any way. Siri doesn’t interfere etc. (Maybe it was a glitch).

I’m getting a 210 for my 861v8 setup as well, if Meridian releases an MQA card for 861v8/x I’ll find another use for it.

The soundquality of the 210 (Roon) to the F80 is awesome and I hope that it will play well with the 861v8 as well.


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#287769 - 2019-09-17 08:15 Re: Meridian 210 Streamer - Released! [Re: Crion]
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Looking at your system listed in your signature I would say the price of Roon is a mere drop in the ocean.


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#287771 - 2019-09-17 10:31 Re: Meridian 210 Streamer - Released! [Re: Crion]
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Slightly confused over what a 210 attached to an 861v8 gives you over the ID41 you already have since both are Roon capable endpoints.
Assuming you are connecting 210 --> 861 --> DSP that is.

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#287772 - 2019-09-17 12:16 Re: Meridian 210 Streamer - Released! [Re: Gparrington]
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MQA?


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#287777 - 2019-09-17 13:48 Re: Meridian 210 Streamer - Released! [Re: Ratbert]
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#287797 - 2019-09-17 20:55 Re: Meridian 210 Streamer - Released! [Re: Hector]
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So yes, 210 will do MQA in "HW" and it is a RAAT device which I think going forward is a good thing. It also syncs nicely across audiozones with my other 210-F80 setup.

Now, I love Trifield and it will be the main DSP mode but the 210 can potentially be connected infront of the 861v8 and with passthrough so that DSP8k in 2ch will do the final MQA render.

Ofcourse I would rather have the MQA card in a IDxx RAAT device for 861v8/x use but until then this external solution will have to do.


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#287801 - 2019-09-18 06:22 Re: Meridian 210 Streamer - Released! [Re: Crion]
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I tried the iOS "Meridian IPcontrol" app but I can't connect to the 210 (Wifi 2.4GHz) even though I type in the correct IP address, automatic discovery function does not report back any devices either. Does the "Meridian Control" app (BT) interfere in any way?

We are multiple persons in household wanting to switch between source TV (SL) and Net on the 210.

Firmware is up-to-date according to the 210 Control app.


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#287805 - 2019-09-18 11:01 Re: Meridian 210 Streamer - Released! [Re: Crion]
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It works for me: no issues.

I assume you’ve engaged the pairing button on the rear of the 210, and, paired the 210 with your phone/tablet?


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#287807 - 2019-09-18 11:19 Re: Meridian 210 Streamer - Released! [Re: Crion]
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Crion,

The 210 can't be controlled from the Meridian 'IPControl' App, that's for 218, 251, 271.

Source selection is available from the Dedicated 210 Meridian 'Control' App which connects over Bluetooth.


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#287808 - 2019-09-18 11:26 Re: Meridian 210 Streamer - Released! [Re: Crion]
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Originally Posted By Crion
I installed mcontrol and browse Tidal and play to 210.
It states, ”Selected device does not support Tidal.”
BUT, Mconnect Lite works fine!
I get exactly the same error message using Mcontrol HD
So I'd use Mconnect Lite for Tidal playback via UPnP on the 210, as I suggested originally wink
Rick


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#287810 - 2019-09-18 11:38 Re: Meridian 210 Streamer - Released! [Re: spinaltap]
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Originally Posted By spinaltap
It works for me: no issues.
To confirm:
Can you control the 210 using the Meridian 'IP Control' app?
(As it seems you're replying to Crion's post above about IP Control of 210).

Are you sure?

Rick


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#287813 - 2019-09-18 12:36 Re: Meridian 210 Streamer - Released! [Re: AudioImages - Rick]
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My reading error: I assumed Crion was discussing the Control app (you can’t control the 210 with the IP app).


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#287870 - 2019-09-20 19:03 Re: Meridian 210 Streamer - Released! [Re: spinaltap]
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Given that they had asked for feedback and suggestions, I received a favourable response from the BBC on adding UPnP connectivity to their ‘Sounds’ app.


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