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#285972 - 2019-06-22 09:09 Naim Muso series 2 and MQA
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The upgraded Naim Muso just launched is receiving quite some accolades, though I have not heard it myself yet.

Question - if an MQA stream is connected to a Muso via a 218 would the combo achieve full MQA. I am thinking it would, because a 218 connected to any other analogue speaker would do so. Subtle difference of course the latter would utilise a separate amplifier in the chain.

My experience using MQA with Meridian components is the much enhanced soundstage. Maybe a Muso won’t be able to deliver that benefit

This latest Muso also can duo as a TV sound bar , which in one of my room set ups would provide added value.

many thanks
Regards
Huw


#1 5200SE, 218, Panasonic plasma, Sony BRD, Humax, Yamaha sound bar.
#2 AC200, MS200, 5K 96/24, Panasonic TV.
#3 C15, TwinStore, 562v, 565, 555, 5Ks & 5KHC 18 bit, MS600, MS200, Explorer2 & Arcam Solo Systemdek I920, Ortofon M520 QNAP Roon Bryston pre & power, Synthèse floating 2.
#4 Panasonic 4K, Canton DM75.
#5 F80, MS200, Explorer 2, iDock.
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#285986 - 2019-06-23 08:25 Re: Naim Muso series 2 and MQA [Re: Huw]
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Hi,

I think the answer is no! You’ve not directly feeding your analogue MQA output to a high bandwidth power amp and suitable speakers_ it’s going into the “pre-amp” section of the Muso and that will affect the MQA integrity.

That’s not to say that what the Muso does with that input isn’t very good. My understanding was that Naim weren’t “fans” of MQA but the Muso electronics should be pretty transparent to any incoming input, MQA or otherwise.

Brian


Main: G65, MD600, MS600, 218, HD621, DSP5200SE, DSP5200HCSE, M6 & D1500.
System 2: G91A, MS200, DSP5000 (96/24v1), DSP3300.
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#285987 - 2019-06-23 08:47 Re: Naim Muso series 2 and MQA [Re: bxd]
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I think you are approaching this all wrong.

First of all, it would be silly to feed the Muso with analogue from the 218. I can’t repeat this often enough: it is no longer MQA when you subject the analogue signal to another round of ADC and DAC conversion; you’d be removing the audio from the digital domain too soon. And besides, the 218’s analogue output is not state-of-the-art, even by Meridian’s admission.

It’s possible that the Muso can render from the digital output of the 218, but there is no clear information as to whether the 218 outputs renderable digital after doing the first unfold.

But second, why do you even need a 218? Why not stream to an MS200 in “Direct” mode and let the Muso do the whole thing?


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#286010 - 2019-06-24 13:14 Re: Naim Muso series 2 and MQA [Re: VirusKiller]
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Are you sure that the Muso has an ADC? Is it possible that it has a direct analogue path?

Cheers
Tom


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#286014 - 2019-06-24 13:46 Re: Naim Muso series 2 and MQA [Re: GMT]
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It's possible, but I think extremely unlikely give the amount of DSP which is no doubt applied.


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#286017 - 2019-06-24 14:53 Re: Naim Muso series 2 and MQA [Re: VirusKiller]
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Yep, I see your thinking!


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#286018 - 2019-06-24 16:07 Re: Naim Muso series 2 and MQA [Re: GMT]
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Agreed _ Muso seems to have a analogue (jack) input, so it’s likely to be into analogue electronics, or (more likely) into an ADC for DSP processing.

Brian


Main: G65, MD600, MS600, 218, HD621, DSP5200SE, DSP5200HCSE, M6 & D1500.
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#286025 - 2019-06-25 14:52 Re: Naim Muso series 2 and MQA [Re: VirusKiller]
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Sorry I was out of the loop couple of days so only just seeing the replies - thank you all for your input.

Actually I have few MS200s and even a MS600 that I could connect to the Muso - but that means no MQA - hence my thinking about the 218. I think I understand the points being made - just was hoping for a clear uncluttered (lower cost) solution.

Back to the drawing board for another think - my idea was to eliminate lashing out ££££ on another pair of 5200SE's.

My other idea was to connect the 218 into my faithful old 555 power amp and then into analogue speakers - I think that works.

As an aside I connected mine of my MS200 to my F80 in my study and the sound is quite decent - no MQA of course

Thanks
Best regards
Huw


#1 5200SE, 218, Panasonic plasma, Sony BRD, Humax, Yamaha sound bar.
#2 AC200, MS200, 5K 96/24, Panasonic TV.
#3 C15, TwinStore, 562v, 565, 555, 5Ks & 5KHC 18 bit, MS600, MS200, Explorer2 & Arcam Solo Systemdek I920, Ortofon M520 QNAP Roon Bryston pre & power, Synthèse floating 2.
#4 Panasonic 4K, Canton DM75.
#5 F80, MS200, Explorer 2, iDock.
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#286028 - 2019-06-25 17:44 Re: Naim Muso series 2 and MQA [Re: VirusKiller]
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Additional (silly) question.

If I was going forgo MQA why would I bother with an MS200 in between. The Muso 2 is Roon ready and Tidal integrated. OK if I wanted to use my C15 collection the MS200 would be a convenient end point, but there again I could connect the C15 direct to the Muso on my network.

If the Muso 2 is as good as the early reviews it might be a gamble with taking - not peanuts but a lot less than another pair of 5200SEs .. which I love by the way.

Regards
Huw


#1 5200SE, 218, Panasonic plasma, Sony BRD, Humax, Yamaha sound bar.
#2 AC200, MS200, 5K 96/24, Panasonic TV.
#3 C15, TwinStore, 562v, 565, 555, 5Ks & 5KHC 18 bit, MS600, MS200, Explorer2 & Arcam Solo Systemdek I920, Ortofon M520 QNAP Roon Bryston pre & power, Synthèse floating 2.
#4 Panasonic 4K, Canton DM75.
#5 F80, MS200, Explorer 2, iDock.
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#286032 - 2019-06-25 19:35 Re: Naim Muso series 2 and MQA [Re: Huw]
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Since you already have Roon, it strikes me that the simplest approach is to let it do the first unfold of MQA content and let that be the source for the Muso 2? No need for any other kit in between? It’s not full MQA of course, but it still represents a high quality hi-res signal going into the Muso 2.

What isn’t so clear is the level of performance you require. Is it a soundbar/convenience type outcome you want, or are you looking for 5200SE level quality?

Cheers

George

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#286033 - 2019-06-25 20:20 Re: Naim Muso series 2 and MQA [Re: Mr Meridian]
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Does the OP have Roon? I agree it would be a good solution but couldn’t see where he says he has it?


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#286034 - 2019-06-25 20:27 Re: Naim Muso series 2 and MQA [Re: Huw]
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Originally Posted By Huw
If I was going forgo MQA why would I bother with an MS200 in between. The Muso 2 is Roon ready and Tidal integrated.
Ah, I’ve possibly read too much into the quote above!

Cheers
George

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