Google Search  |  Meridian Systems  |  Meridian Streaming  |  Restaurant  |  WiKi  |  Duncan's Meridian Info  |  Board Rules  |  Restaurant Rules
Topic Options
Rate This Topic
#285367 - 2019-05-15 17:58 In-wall speakers for surround?
Registered: 2018-11-06
Posts: 113
JamieB Offline
Hitchhiker
JamieB Offline
Hitchhiker

Registered: 2018-11-06
Posts: 113
Loc: Seattle, USA
The basement in my new house is not really ideal for a sound room, but we make do. It's 22' x 11' (6.7m . x 3.3m). I've got 6 DSP5Ks right now, and, what with keeping them away from the walls, that doesn't leave much usable space. So I'm thinking about some in-wall speakers, like DSP420s.

The general advice for surround speakers is 110 degrees behind and pointing at listening position. Wall speakers won't point at the listening position unless I put them at 90degrees, i.e. directly to the sides. What is the correct choice? Put them right at the side, or put them further back at the 110 degree position? Do the in-wall speakers behave better off-axis?

I'm also thinking of replacing the rear 5000s with in-wall units. I'm assuming that the 420s wont have the bass of the 5000s. Right now with 6 5Ks and a 5K center, the bass is awesome. Get the 420s and a subwoofer? Leave the 5000s in the rear?


Cave: Oppo 203 Vanity HD; 6xDSP5ks, DSP5kC; Sony Z9D, PS4 Pro; Roku Ultra 2017;
Living: HiFiBerry Roon; 2xDSP5ks
Nest: Bluesound Power NODE; 2x Mission 700s
Roon Mac Mini
Top
#285379 - 2019-05-16 12:44 Re: In-wall speakers for surround? [Re: JamieB]
Registered: 2016-10-31
Posts: 157
Nstzya Offline
Hitchhiker
Nstzya Offline
Hitchhiker

Registered: 2016-10-31
Posts: 157
Loc: Indianapolis, USA
I agree with you that 6 x 5k in that room will be both visually and spatially intrusive. I have no personal experience with Meridian In-walls (but similar interest), so this would probably be better answered by Bruce and/or those with experience. Having pondered the same, I’ll give my thoughts for what they’re worth. First, I would expect their off axis performance at 20 degrees to be just fine. Much surround info is not full spectrum anyway and you generally want a non-localized surround. I’d put them at 110 since the chances of localizing them aimed directly at you that close seem great. Second, don’t know what the rear of the room is like, but you may have dead space back there that you could still use 5k’s there. And with 5k’s in the corners I think you’ll have more than enough bass.

There is a nice set of 420’s for sale with back boxes on eBay currently - from a reputable dealer. And/or Bruce often comes across such.

That said, it looks like you’d be looking to sell a matched pair of nice 24 bit 5k’s with OBM? wink



Primary: DSP5k/18, Bluesound Node 2i (MQA)
1st Alternate: DSP3100 (on top of 5k’s) w/ Velodyne sub
2nd Alternate: Bluesound Powernode 2i > Monitor Audio GX50’s/Velodyne
Awaiting installation/config: DSP3100HC, 568.2mm, 5k 24/96 Boards
Top
#285387 - 2019-05-16 15:07 Re: In-wall speakers for surround? [Re: JamieB]
Registered: 2007-02-06
Posts: 787
Jon Raines Offline
Paranoid android
Jon Raines Offline
Paranoid android

Registered: 2007-02-06
Posts: 787
Loc: Peterborough, UK
I’m using DSP420’s for sides and DSP33’s for rears in a 7.1 setup and giving that sides and rears are pretty much just effect speakers adding a sub should work out fine in my opinion.


596, 568.2mm, 562v2, 551, DSP5Ks smileys+3dB, DSP5.5kHC smiley, DSP420's, DSP33s, DSW1500, LG C8 OLED,
Sky Q silver v2 +2x mini’s, 3xKef ceiling speakers, 2xMSR+custom keys, Mac Mini, Modded Edge v1.6, ATV2, vMSR, Amazon FireTV4k,Mc200 1tb,
Ms200 x2,555,oppo 203.
Top
#285390 - 2019-05-16 17:13 Re: In-wall speakers for surround? [Re: Nstzya]
Registered: 2009-11-10
Posts: 1,758
CMB Integrations - Bruce Offline
Meridian Partner Knows where his towel is
CMB Integrations - Bruce Offline
Meridian Partner
Knows where his towel is

Registered: 2009-11-10
Posts: 1,758
Loc: Lexington, South Carolina, USA
Using DSP420's for sides and rears, works out really well in rooms that do not have the space for towers.

Sides are generally set adjacent to or just behind the listening position depending on who you are talking to. I saw a speaker manual the other day that suggested that in a 5.1 system using in wall / ceiling speakers, they should be placed about 10 degrees behind the main listening position.

Be very careful when buying used DSP420's. Many used ones are missing grilles or interfaces and there are little or no spare parts. I will have a couple of pairs of complete DSP420's, 5ks, 5.5ks, 6ks, 5.5kHC's etc. later this month after finishing an upgrade. I even ran across a set of NIB DSP33s.


www.cmbintegrations.com

Personal System #1 Trinnov Altitude 32-8-16, 808v6, DSP8000.2SE, DSP7200SEHC, Revel F228be, Revel B112, Monitor Audio Silver 10, ATI 200WX5 Amp, JVC RS15, Shunyata Denali 6000S, Sigma power cables, Black Diamond Zero Edge screen. QNAP TS-251 3TB
Mark Levinson No515 Turntable

Top

Moderator:  Carl, Duncs, ncpl 
Who's Online
4 registered (Stevo, AudioImages - Rick, Ian, Martins HiFi), 52 Guests and 2 Spiders online.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
Newest Members
Huture, Mr_Blue2, Vf3, Ansil002, MEA
4751 Registered Users
Top Posters (30 Days)
CMB Integrations - Bruce 46
3dit0r 46
Nstzya 35
Ratbert 34
Carlton9000 26
Top Posters
VirusKiller 12505
Fiddler 8672
ncpl 8499
Carl 7892
Ian 7743
Forum Stats
4,751 Registered Members
18 Forums
26,224 Topics
263,202 Posts

Most users ever online: 211 @ 2015-05-05 14:40
Meridian  |  Media Centre  |  Support  |  Firmware Release Notes  |  RSS Systems  |  RSS Streaming  |  RSS Restaurant