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#283629 - 2019-03-13 17:03 Meridian freeze development of Sooloos platform
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From my PP, Meridian announcing that Sooloos development has been ‘frozen’.

Originally Posted By Statement from Meridian
It is now more than ten years since Meridian acquired Sooloos and over that period we have developed and brought to market many award-winning Sooloos-enabled products.

We’ve always strived to deliver compelling solutions which enable Meridian Sooloos users to conveniently access and enjoy their music libraries. We have launched new products and added exciting features, including adopting MQA, integrating TIDAL, and introducing iPad, iPhone and Touch PC control options. We also know that the way customers are accessing music has changed considerably since our acquisition of Sooloos in 2008, and the proliferation of new music formats, streaming platforms and proprietary services with their own interfaces means that music lovers have more options than ever for finding and accessing the content they love.

It is within this context that we have now therefore taken the decision to freeze development of our Meridian Sooloos platform.

We will continue to support the metadata service that underpins the platform meaning that Meridian Sooloos customers will continue to enjoy the experience as they have it today, however, there will be no continued development of Sooloos products nor new Sooloos features added in the future.

Meridian’s strategy has always been to deliver the best possible audio experience for our customers and our new product developments reflect that. Whatever you wish to listen to Meridian’s goal is to make it sound better.

Our forthcoming new 210 Streamer comes with Bluetooth and Wi-Fi connectivity, as well as supporting Airplay and Spotify. The 210 will also fully support Roon which is a service that many Meridian Sooloos customers are already enjoying.

With a new range of architectural loudspeakers just launched and further new product announcements planned throughout 2019, this is an exciting time for Meridian Audio and we look forward to unveiling more news soon.
In the meantime, for further information about Meridian Sooloos please refer to the new Sooloos Frequently Asked Questions document on our website.

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Meridian Sooloos Development Freeze - FAQs

Q. Will my Sooloos system continue to work in the future?
A. If everything is working as expected now and no changes are made to the system, it should continue to work. Naturally, the normal limits of product reliability remain present.

Q. Are there likely to be any further updates to Sooloos software?
A. No. The software (v 2.538) which was released on 24th November 2017 was the final Sooloos update. We do not intend to release any further updates to that version.

Q. What changes to the system could cause issues?
A. It is possible that changes to third-party equipment used with a Sooloos system will have a negative effect on the operation and functionality of the system.

Q. What is meant by “third-party equipment” in the question above?
A. This includes iPads, iPhones, QNAP NAS devices, Windows PCs, Apple MACs and network routers. Changes to the hardware and/or the operating systems of these devices could cause problems.

Q. What is meant by “a negative effect” in the question above?
A. This could involve restricting or losing certain aspects of functionality, or it could completely stop the system from working at all.

Q. What sort of changes to third-party equipment could instigate problems?
A. Sooloos is designed to work with various third-party products as they operate at present. If the operating system of any of these devices is updated, compatibility with Sooloos could be lost.

Q. So, should I avoid applying updates to the devices used with my Sooloos system?
A. Yes – unless you are comfortable with the risk of the device becoming incompatible with Sooloos.

Q. If an update to one or more of my devices causes problems, can I simply revert back to the previous version to return things to a working state?
A. Not necessarily. Many types of IT equipment feature no practicable method for “undoing” updates.


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#283630 - 2019-03-13 18:14 Re: Meridian freeze development of Sooloos platform [Re: spinaltap]
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This should be on a new thread of it’s own.


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#283632 - 2019-03-13 18:35 Re: Meridian freeze development of Sooloos platform [Re: bxd]
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So what of current Meridian hardware that are Sooloos endpoints? ID4x, 218 etc?

Are they relying on Roon playing to Sooloos or will they be updating them as native RAAT audio endpoints?


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#283633 - 2019-03-13 21:39 Re: Meridian freeze development of Sooloos platform [Re: Ian]
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When I enquired a good few years ago ... I was told, by those that should know, ... that the ID40 and ID41 cards did not have required hardware to be able to support the network stack that RAAT requires.

So the best that owners of the 8xx units could hope for is a new ‘ID43’ RAAT card.

Not sure about the 218 but I expect it’s a similar story.

IIRC the 210 does support RAAT but is unfortunately still limited to 96KHz max sampling rate.

Regards,
Carl


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#283634 - 2019-03-13 22:16 Re: Meridian freeze development of Sooloos platform [Re: Carl]
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Hi,

There is a new price list on TheintegratedHome website with a price hike for the G65.

Intrestingly, The 818 and 861 are described as “with Roon”. The ID41 is listed as a “Roon & Sooloos Endpoint”

Brian


Main: G65, MD600, MS600, 218, HD621, DSP5200SE, DSP5200HCSE, M6 & D1500.
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#283645 - 2019-03-14 10:55 Re: Meridian freeze development of Sooloos platform [Re: bxd]
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I guess Ill be doing a FLAC export of my Sooloos library fairly sharpish!

Disappointed would be an understatement, but it's been on the cards I guess.

I mean seriously, if the powers that be at Meridian think BA headphones and LG soundbars are the future, good luck with that.

Cheers
Greg


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#283648 - 2019-03-14 11:27 Re: Meridian freeze development of Sooloos platform [Re: spinaltap]
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Nearly all of the Sooloos developments over the last few years have been free. iOS apps, Touch PC, QNAP support, MQA, Tidal support have come with no charge. You can't sustain a platform and support updates without a income stream to pay the development team.

We all enjoyed the free stuff while it lasted but the writing was on the wall. Many of the early buyers of Sooloos financed our free ride but there are also many Sooloos users who never paid into the Meridian pot for Sooloos at all such as myself. Time to do the native export folks.


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#283650 - 2019-03-14 11:36 Re: Meridian freeze development of Sooloos platform [Re: Greg Wright]
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I can't say I'm surprised. TBH, I think the wording is wishful - Sooloos 'development' was frozen years ago, IMO, what Meridian actually mean is 'support' is now discontinued, as they clearly will not be releasing any bug fixes, or updates to even maintain compatibility.

I share the concern for how they intend to classify ID41, although the description of Roon/Sooloos cards gives some hope, I guess?

I guess we hope the exciting new announcements through 2019 really are exciting to established core users and not more soundbars or install-only gear...


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#283654 - 2019-03-14 13:42 Re: Meridian freeze development of Sooloos platform [Re: spinaltap]
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While I'm not a Sooloos user, there's just a huge, completely unacceptable flaw to this.

Telling customers that they cannot update the OS's on their computers and computing devices (phones, tablets, etc.) is also telling them that they can never accept another security update, and now their entire home network infrastructures are compromised.

I 100% get that continued Sooloos coding updates may not be practical for Meridian, but they should have given customers an explicit path to a future-viable platform such as roon.

From my point of view, this is an unacceptable position to put their customers in. Security is a core issue, and Meridian is now front and center as a problem for anyone using Sooloos. The fact that they are not addressing this (or even alerting customers to it) speaks incredibly poorly for their regard for their customers. I don't think anything Meridian has ever done has so disappointed me.


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#283655 - 2019-03-14 13:47 Re: Meridian freeze development of Sooloos platform [Re: Akimo]
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Meridian probably see the complete Roon compatibility of their endpoints as the way they expect customers to move. It's a shame they/Roon couldn't have facilitated this, or shown some historical empathy with Sooloos customers by offering some kind of discount move to Roon (if they were a Sooloos customer from new).


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#283656 - 2019-03-14 14:00 Re: Meridian freeze development of Sooloos platform [Re: 3dit0r]
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Originally Posted By 3dit0r
Meridian probably see the complete Roon compatibility of their endpoints as the way they expect customers to move. It's a shame they/Roon couldn't have facilitated this, or shown some historical empathy with Sooloos customers by offering some kind of discount move to Roon (if they were a Sooloos customer from new).



I couldn't agree more. I think what you're saying is so important for the less sophisticated custom-install user currently on Sooloos. They're now caught in a two-part scenario:

1. They're less likely to be aware of the security issue Meridian has trapped them in
and/or
2. They're less likely to be able to control their computing environment's OS versions

So, either their security will be compromised, or they will lose Sooloos access on their devices. Probably both as some devices auto-update and others don't. The worst of all worlds.

Bottom line is Meridian will now be the cause of security problems in their customer's homes.

This is reprehensible.


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#283657 - 2019-03-14 14:01 Re: Meridian freeze development of Sooloos platform [Re: 3dit0r]
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It would be a nice gesture if Meridian could open up access to the likes of MC200 (and other PC based components) so that we could repurpose them. I know that they can already be used as a sort of NAS and Roon audio endpoint, but it would be nice if we could install a maintained OS of choice and say run proper NAS software and file structure with drivers for internal audio cards and USB ports to hand USB DAC's from.

I know a MC200 would probably not run ROON OS and ROON server, but if a Pi can run a Roon audio endpoint and NAS then something like a MC200/MC600 could.

Go on, someone publish the password, drivers for the audio cards and show us how to get access to bootstrap tp load our own OS.


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