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#283127 - 2019-02-24 20:34 Adding hi res streaming to analogue system
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As the title suggests, I have an analogue system, 2x596 for CD duties, 502 pre and 557 power amp. Although I love spinning CDs, I would like to ‘start’ to move away from them to streaming. I have Spotify and Tidal so good to go on that front.
My question is what M product is best for streaming? Would I add an MC200(added bonus of storage), prime headphone amp(added bonus of headphone and MQA) or a 218?
I would like SQ to be as good as my 596’s otherwise I’ll just keep them.
Thanks in advance for your replies...


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#283128 - 2019-02-24 20:38 Re: Adding hi res streaming to analogue system [Re: GNA1970]
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The 218 would give full MQA to your 557.

I would look into Roon as well as Sooloos. I use Roon into SE speakers and as such I rarely play my 596 now.


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#283129 - 2019-02-24 20:44 Re: Adding hi res streaming to analogue system [Re: GNA1970]
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Shame the Prime isn’t balanced otherwise I would have said replace your 502 with one.

Nah, give it a try with Tidal anyway.


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Prime & PSU, Focal Elear headphones, roon (ROCK 8Gi5 Nuc), Explorer 1 & 2, F80. 200/203, MC200 and various Sonos.
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#283131 - 2019-02-25 04:00 Re: Adding hi res streaming to analogue system [Re: Ian]
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So it’s looking like Prime vs 218... am I correct in thinking both can replace my 502 as a preamp, connecting to my 596 /557 without losing sound quality and both can stream hi res/MQA from Tidal?

Would I also be correct thinking that in order to stream from Tidal I would connect my laptop and run Roon and/or Sooloos with either the Prime or 218?

If the above 2 answers are yep and yep then which would give the best SQ, Prime or 218?

Also, to stream via either of them, do I just use Tidal on iPhone or iPad? Or do I have to do something with a laptop?

Feel like I should know the answers here but my idea of plug in and play is an iron...

Thanks!


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#283132 - 2019-02-25 07:16 Re: Adding hi res streaming to analogue system [Re: GNA1970]
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You just need Tidal desktop with Prime - it uses USB from PC/Mac. No need for Sooloos or Roon.

Prime will be more limited on inputs, plus you loose balanced connections on 502 - 218 does not have them either. With Prime there is no remote control, with 218 there is no ‘manual’ control, it’s all via Meridian comms or an app.

I’ve not run Prime in pre amp mode, just headphones, but heard that it sounds very good as a preamp - it is an analogue device after all, albeit with digital USB input. From what has been said on HHers, 218 is probably better at digital.


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Prime & PSU, Focal Elear headphones, roon (ROCK 8Gi5 Nuc), Explorer 1 & 2, F80. 200/203, MC200 and various Sonos.
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#283133 - 2019-02-25 07:18 Re: Adding hi res streaming to analogue system [Re: GNA1970]
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With Sooloos and Roon you need a Core Running (The engine if you like) It is worth studying the Roon Knowledge Base to understand the architecture. This will explain all you need. With Sooloos an MC200 is your core and or storage and audio endpoint.

Roon Knowledge Base

Personally I find Roon so much more comprehensive but set up had to be tackled.

An iPad Pro makes a great Roon Controler but details of suitable controllers are in the KB.


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GIK monster bass panels, rear wall. QNAP TVS 471i3. Roon into DSP5200SE via 218 zone... Explorer 2. Bluesound Pulse 2, Mini & Flex. 596v1, 518, Foxsat HD, Sony BDP, Pioneer 5090, 2 Chromecast's for LRB videos. F80

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#283136 - 2019-02-25 10:13 Re: Adding hi res streaming to analogue system [Re: GNA1970]
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I would lean towards the 218. 192k MQA analogue out. Ethernet in. Integrated comms with your 502.

Get a trial going with Roon, install the core on your laptop. Stream wireless to that and Ethernet from your laptop to the 218. Or one Ethernet from your router to your computer and one to the 218. Prime is a great DAC and preamp and of course HPA but unfortunately not an endpoint.

The 218 is and considering its functionality, SQ and adaptability, it punches well above its weight for it’s cost, especially now you can get well priced 2nd hand/ ex demo units. See how you go with Roon, not cheap but an excellent product and continuously improving. Control the 218/Roon using your phone/tablet as a remote.

Realise too though that once you have the 218 and Roon and are enjoying the tunes that much that you want to add another endpoint, or several, in your home to get it bouncing in party mode, to play simultaneously to these end points they will need to also be Meridian.

Another option I utilise is a Raspberry Pi plugged into a Meridian Explorer2 plugged into an amplifier. Less than half the price of the above 2 options and still a decent hi res setup compatible with your existing kit. Decisions, decisions...


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#283137 - 2019-02-25 10:28 Re: Adding hi res streaming to analogue system [Re: Struttmaster]
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Originally Posted By Struttmaster
...Integrated comms with your 502.

Not so: you would need to add an AC12 or Reviver to achieve integrated Comms.


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#283140 - 2019-02-25 13:53 Re: Adding hi res streaming to analogue system [Re: Struttmaster]
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Not really sure what 218 and Roon brings to the party other than different UX than Tidal desktop and a networked player. You don’t need a networked endpoint with Tidal desktop.

If (a big IF) you have ability to have PC (or Tidal on Android phone - Tidal on iPhone does not support MQA and connectivity is a bit of a kludge) within USB distance of Prime and don’t need remote control, then I think Prime will offer better AQ than 218. Meridian treat Prime as a reference class unit that accepts 4x (192k) input - but does not upsample higher than 2x. Most of the Prime box is analogue kit rather than digital in 218 so I would say emphasis is on analogue SQ with Prime, digital with 218.

Roon would still be a future option and an inexpensive Raspberry Pi running Roon bridge would convert Prime into a networked endpoint. So it would just be missing some remote control features.


Meridian owner since 1992
Prime & PSU, Focal Elear headphones, roon (ROCK 8Gi5 Nuc), Explorer 1 & 2, F80. 200/203, MC200 and various Sonos.
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#283141 - 2019-02-25 14:56 Re: Adding hi res streaming to analogue system [Re: spinaltap]
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Originally Posted By spinaltap
Originally Posted By Struttmaster
...Integrated comms with your 502.
Not so: you would need to add an AC12 or Reviver to achieve integrated Comms.
I thought you could get a custom cable made splitting out the comms from the SpeakerLink, like I have for my MS200 & 551.


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#283142 - 2019-02-25 15:03 Re: Adding hi res streaming to analogue system [Re: Jon Raines]
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I use a custom cable for comms from my 218 to legacy 518 and 596DVD.


No 18 in the Hall of fame smile I have simple tastes; I am content to settle for the best:
GIK monster bass panels, rear wall. QNAP TVS 471i3. Roon into DSP5200SE via 218 zone... Explorer 2. Bluesound Pulse 2, Mini & Flex. 596v1, 518, Foxsat HD, Sony BDP, Pioneer 5090, 2 Chromecast's for LRB videos. F80

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#283144 - 2019-02-25 16:16 Re: Adding hi res streaming to analogue system [Re: ChrisLayerUK]
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Same here. I use a custom SpeakerLink/comms cable from my 218 to my G68. Works great.

Ken


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