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#282024 - 2019-01-22 08:30 Home Theater config with DSP 24/96 5.1 system?
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Hello,

Content:
Movies/music = 90/10.
Blu rays and 4K UHD Blu rays (remuxes).

Speakers: DSP5500 mkII + DSP5500HC mkII + DSP3100 + SW1600
DVD/pre/pro: G91A

What should be best source/pre/pro combination?

Oppo 203 + Vanity HD + Minidsp 88d
or
Meridian HD621 + Oppo 203 + Minidsp 88d
or
HTPC with Lynx soundcard + Dirac Live license
or
something else?

Cost does matters!

Edited by AntonP; 2019-01-22 19:58.
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#282030 - 2019-01-22 13:40 Re: Best HT source/processor for DSP 24/96 5.1 system? [Re: AntonP]
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Is your question what is the best HT source/processor out of only the options you list, or just the best to feed Meridian DSPs? Also, what is your budget?

I haven't used most of the options you list, but if you want the best sounding source/processor for DSPs using physical disc (DVD/Blu-ray/UHD blu-ray), personally I'd go for an Oppo 203 (if you can get one) -> HD621 -> Meridian Surround Processor -> DSPs

Depending on budget you could look at either a G-series processor (one of the models with MRC 'Meridian Room Correction') or look at an 861 from v4 upwards. 861 will give ultimate sound quality and flexibility, even the v4 can now have a genuine Linear Power Supply fitted and an ID40 network card fitted for music streaming with, e.g., Roon to satisfy your music requirement and give access to the excellent proprietary Meridian decoding/Trifield, etc.

I have no experience at all with playing back multichannel material from ripped blu-rays, etc., or the implications thereof for use with DSPs, but perhaps others will chime in.


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#282031 - 2019-01-22 15:06 Re: Best HT source/processor for DSP 24/96 5.1 system? [Re: AntonP]
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Hah i tried 203+VHD+88d with dsps,but i sold the 88d immediately,because of very poor control of multi subs,also i didnt hear much improvement with the phase correction,i guess maybe DSP speaker is pre corrected in factory?


HT: Audiocom Oppo203 signature with Vanity HD/HD621 861v8, DSP7200SEup DSP5200SEVCup, DSP5200SE
Revel sub30*2 AntimodeX4 JVCx790
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#282034 - 2019-01-22 15:23 Re: Best HT source/processor for DSP 24/96 5.1 system? [Re: Albert]
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Originally Posted By Albert
Hah i tried 203+VHD+88d with dsps,but i sold the 88d immediately,because of very poor control of multi subs,also i didnt hear much improvement with the phase correction,i guess maybe dsp speaker is pre corrected in factory?


Thanks, i've read your posts about vanity.
So, does Oppo 203 + vanity hd enough for complete HT system?
Without Meridian proc.

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#282035 - 2019-01-22 15:26 Re: Best HT source/processor for DSP 24/96 5.1 system? [Re: AntonP]
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Hi Anton

Life will be a lot easier running those DSPs from a Meridian processor.

If you don't need multiple HDMI devices connected, on sound quality I'd take an Oppo 203 + Vanity HD in preference to a stock Oppo 203 + HD621. My preference for processor would be either a 568.2mm (very low cost these days, no room correction) or an 861v4 (more expensive, very flexible and has room correction). There are also the v6 or v8 models depending on budget.

Meridian's implementation of room correction is quite subtle in action, so it may or may not be of benefit to you.

Cheers

George

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#282036 - 2019-01-22 15:29 Re: Best HT source/processor for DSP 24/96 5.1 system? [Re: 3dit0r]
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I can't understand what Meridian processor (G61 or G68 or 861v4+) will give in movies?

Getting PCM audio from Oppo BD = no DAC/ADC, no decoding (no HD audio support in processors). What is value of adding a M processor?

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#282037 - 2019-01-22 15:37 Re: Best HT source/processor for DSP 24/96 5.1 system? [Re: Mr Meridian]
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Mr Meridian,

Thanks, what Meridian processor adds for me in practical use?
With PCM input from Oppo almost all functions of pre/pro will not be used frown

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#282038 - 2019-01-22 15:45 Re: Best HT source/processor for DSP 24/96 5.1 system? [Re: AntonP]
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Giving you use a DSP sub, I think it will work, the Oppo can do simple DSP, such as cross over/level trim/downmix etc.


HT: Audiocom Oppo203 signature with Vanity HD/HD621 861v8, DSP7200SEup DSP5200SEVCup, DSP5200SE
Revel sub30*2 AntimodeX4 JVCx790
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#282044 - 2019-01-22 19:10 Re: Best HT source/processor for DSP 24/96 5.1 system? [Re: Mr Meridian]
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Several more questions:

- Why is Vanity HD is better than HD621? (HD621 costs about the same as the Vanity HD and it is more universal in HT setup as I think.)

- I've got G91A - is it possible to feed multichannel 24/96 audio in it?

- What do you think about SW1600 in movies? I had velodyne DD-10+ in one setup and I loved this sub. SW1600 is 150w RMS only, should I change it to Velodyne DD+ (1250w RMS)?

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#282048 - 2019-01-22 22:11 Re: Best HT source/processor for DSP 24/96 5.1 system? [Re: AntonP]
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I've tried the following:

Sony 4k player -> HD621 -> 568.2mm -> DSPs

Oppo 203 Vanity -> DSPs

The 568 had intermittent failures, so had to send it back, and I'm using the Oppo now. I don't have a DSP SW, so initially I put the digital output from the center into a DAC and from there to my analog SW. After much back and forth testing, I removed the SW (and told the Oppo I'd removed it), and am quite content with the bass coming from the DSP5000s. My SW didn't add anything except distortion. So for watching movies, its just my Oppo and the DSPs.

Oppo Vanity:

Pros:
* 7.0 is next. Gonna get another pair of DSPs.
* Sounds absolutely stunning.
* Can configure speaker distance and size, and bass is redirected to large DPSs if there is no SW configured.

Cons:

* HDMI-In has major issues with popping. When using a Roku for Netflix, navigating around shows on the "menu" pages causes a pop every time I move to a new show, i.e. every time i push a navigation button on the remote. Its bad enough that I disconnected the Roku from the HDMI-In and put to the TV, relying on ARC to get the audio down. Edit: I have eliminated the popping when navigating around Netflix. My Roku was set for DD/DTS output (it was using toslink). I've now set to "Auto" which is recommended for HDMI output, and Netflix doesn't pop. I do, however, still get pops starting Netflix for the first time, and starting Prime Video movies.
* ARC doesn't work reliably! So right now, no audio from my PS4 [the Roku is going to the Oppo now]! Argh! Worked for a couple of days. Now the TV and the Oppo fail to negotiate.
* The Oppo introduces enough delay to make twitch games on my PS4 unplayable (e.g. Celeste). I'm looking into, e.g. an HD Fury to pull audio HDMI out from the PS4.

So, right now, I'm a bit in limbo. 4k discs play great. The Oppo as a roon endpoint works great. But everything else is broken. I haven't tried pushing the PS4 into the HDMI-In, so it may just be the Roku that is broken... I've put the Mac Mini into the HDMI-In and used it as a 5.1 roon endpoint, and there's no popping. So YMMV.


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Edited by JamieB; 2019-01-24 18:43.
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#282049 - 2019-01-22 22:22 Re: Best HT source/processor for DSP 24/96 5.1 system? [Re: AntonP]
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Originally Posted By AntonP
- Why is the Vanity HD is better than HD621? (HD621 costs about thesameasthe Vanity HD and it is more universal in HT setup as I think)
Apples and oranges.

The HD621 is basically an HDMI switch with LPCM output over four encrypted outputs. It is literally just audio breakout. The Oppo is a decoder and processor, with delay, trim and bass distribution. It has four outputs unencrypted.

So, if you have an Oppo (without the Vanity HD), and an HD621, then what are you plugging that into? If the Oppo decodes and sends that to the HD621, then where is that going?

If the HD621 is acting as a switch for the Oppo, well, there are cheaper switches!


Cave: Oppo 203 Vanity HD; 6xDSP5ks, DSP5kC; Sony Z9D, PS4 Pro; Roku Ultra 2017;
Living: HiFiBerry Roon; 2xDSP5ks
Nest: Bluesound Power NODE; 2x Mission 700s
Roon Mac Mini
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#282050 - 2019-01-22 22:22 Re: Home Theater config with DSP 24/96 5.1 system? [Re: AntonP]
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Originally Posted By AntonP
Meridian HD621 + Oppo 203 + Minidsp 88d
How does that work?


Cave: Oppo 203 Vanity HD; 6xDSP5ks, DSP5kC; Sony Z9D, PS4 Pro; Roku Ultra 2017;
Living: HiFiBerry Roon; 2xDSP5ks
Nest: Bluesound Power NODE; 2x Mission 700s
Roon Mac Mini
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