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#280043 - 2018-11-11 12:02 Roon endpoint suggestions
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Hello, looking for advice on my current system and the endpoints that I could / should use for Roon. My existing set up is:

Sitting room

Meridian G68XXV
Meridian G55
Meridian HD621
Focal 826VWs/CC800VW/807VWs
Rel T9
Oppo 105D

Then I have a system set up on the roof which is:

Meridian G57
Monitor Audio CL60’s

Current Roon Core

Mac Mini 2011 with 512 SSD

Current Roon endpoints

Sitting Room - Mac Mini with Audioquest Dragonfly USB DAC
Roof - MacBook Pro Retina 2013 with minijack straight to coax
Bedroom - iMac 27” 5k 2015 - just playing on the iMac at present

“Spare”

Bose Accoustimass 5
Meridian G55
Some old iPads & iPhones

I was thinking I should buy a dedicated NUC and run Rock on it. The Mac Mini could then potentially be used with the Audioquest Dragonfly USB DAC to feed the G57. Although the Mac Mini seems to be running fine as a Core so perhaps this is unnecessary at the moment.

So I was considering buying some Meridian endpoints such as a 218, 251, MS600 or MS200. I’ve heard a few issues with the 218 which puts me off a little regarding both the 218 and the 251. I had considered swapping the G57 over for a 251 which would be neater but I don’t think it would sound as good and would have less power.

I like the idea of the MS600 for the roof system as I could use balanced outputs and a trigger but it seems like a lot and I’m not sure I’d get the benefit on the roof / being outdoors etc? The MS200 seems to be reasonable but would still require a manual turning on of the amp. There could be better end points out there that would do the job than the MS200 rather than buying a MS600… but I have no idea what these are really, and the ones I have seen are significantly more expensive.

For the lounge I liked the idea of the MS600, a couple of people discussed SoTM but I’m not sure we as they seem more expensive plus would need other gear to make them work? I don’t know if they would sound better. I’m guessing the MS600 would sound significantly better than the MS200. Another option in the lounge was to have the Mac Mini output through USB into the Oppo 105D which I guess would improve the sound but I don’t know how it would compare to a MS600, it would also end up going through the HD621. I did also consider moving the Oppo closer and seeing if I could have some coax outputs going directly to the G68. I do wonder if I could use a MS200 with a digital output straight into the G68 rather than analogue outputs from the MS600 (apparently significantly better than the MS200 analogue outputs)

For the bedroom I was thinking, use what I have and connect the iMac to G55 and then to Bose Acoustimass but I saw the Kef LS50 wireless and love those as they’re so versatile in terms of what can be plugged in and a very neat solution. Another idea was a set of Meridian DSP3200’s but that seems overkill for the bedroom but then they would need a MS200 / MS600 / 218 / 251 etc to drive them… I also have had a chat about a MS600 and then some PMC DB1A's but not too sure about these as they need to be manually switched on and off on top of each speaker, on the plus side I could use XLR cables from the MS600 straight in.

Any suggestions or ideas on what you’d recommend? Sorry for all the detail… it’s been doing my head in. The goals are to make Roon easier to use and sound better if possible. I'd prefer to stick with Meridian gear in a way, but not that fussed either way. I posted in the Roon forum and someone suggested the Chord Qutest but then it's just a DAC and quite pricey for just one room.

Thanks

Nick


G55, G68XXV, HD621, Oppo 105D, MacBook running Roon
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#280044 - 2018-11-11 12:25 Re: Roon endpoint suggestions [Re: Laserblues2]
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If you can wait, the Meridian 210 is reportedly more Roon centric - and has AirPlay and Bluetooth. Plus, it will have USB input, making it ideal for directly connecting NUC.


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#280045 - 2018-11-11 14:10 Re: Roon endpoint suggestions [Re: spinaltap]
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I’ve heard of a few issues with the 218, I don’t have a dealer nearby to where I live either. I’m not sure if these were isolated issues though

Also, whilst it’s Roon Ready it’s not a DAC is it? So then I’d need to buy one too? The MS600 is both so maybe a better all in one solution?


G55, G68XXV, HD621, Oppo 105D, MacBook running Roon
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#280049 - 2018-11-11 16:40 Re: Roon endpoint suggestions [Re: Laserblues2]
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The 218 is indeed a DAC. As well as a Roon endpoint it's also MQA capable. While I no longer use it I never had a problem with mine.

Ken


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Office: SBT, Berkeley Alpha DAC 2/MQA, Magico S3 Mk II, Boulder 2060, Lumin U1 Mini streamer, Roon.
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#280057 - 2018-11-11 22:47 Re: Roon endpoint suggestions [Re: Kswanson]
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Thanks Ken, how come you stopped using the 218? What did you replace it with?

I read that the 210 wasn’t going to have a DAC in it? Not sure if that’s true or not


G55, G68XXV, HD621, Oppo 105D, MacBook running Roon
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#280058 - 2018-11-11 23:07 Re: Roon endpoint suggestions [Re: Laserblues2]
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I went with a Berkeley Alpha 2 DAC and an Audio Alchemy streamer. The Berkeley was a significant step up from the 218 in my now all analogue system. If I ever go back to DSPs I'll use the 218.

Ken


Main: G68J, 5K2s, 5Ks, HSU subs, Pio 151FD, Dish VP722, Roku, Wadia I70, Anti Mode Dual Core, Oppo 103D Vanity Lite
Office: SBT, Berkeley Alpha DAC 2/MQA, Magico S3 Mk II, Boulder 2060, Lumin U1 Mini streamer, Roon.
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#280062 - 2018-11-12 06:14 Re: Roon endpoint suggestions [Re: Kswanson]
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Very nice!! More than I was planning to spend at this point, would love to hear the differences between some of these other units & Meridian and at varying price levels. I heard a $150k USD system & it was ok, perhaps wasted on me, but couldn’t see the benefits in what I already had!!


G55, G68XXV, HD621, Oppo 105D, MacBook running Roon
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#280075 - 2018-11-12 11:57 Re: Roon endpoint suggestions [Re: Laserblues2]
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Another option for the lounge would be to sell the G68 for an 861(v4/v6/v8) with ID40/41.

With a pair of OA13/18 cards you get balanced analogue outputs which are fed from 192kHz DACs.


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#280087 - 2018-11-12 16:18 Re: Roon endpoint suggestions [Re: dpstjp]
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I had no idea that with an ID40/ID41 that the 861 would be recognised as a Roon endpoint. I have no idea how I missed that...!

That would make a lot more sense than buying the MS600 - depending on the price and then I'd have a spare amp for somewhere else or could sell it.

Do you run Roon from a 861v4?
Could it be done on an earlier model too or just from the v4 onwards?


G55, G68XXV, HD621, Oppo 105D, MacBook running Roon
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#280089 - 2018-11-12 16:39 Re: Roon endpoint suggestions [Re: Laserblues2]
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Originally Posted By Laserblues2
Do you run Roon from a 861v4?
Could it be done on an earlier model too or just from the v4 onwards?
Roon itself does not run on the 861, however, Roon supports the Meridian Sooloos network protocol (amongst RAAT and others) and hence Roon can identify and stream music to the ID40/ID41 card (Sooloos Endpoint) that is in the 861.

- The 861v4 and 861v6 support the ID40 card
- The 861v8 support the ID41 card
- Previous versions of the 861 do not support these cards.

Roon application itself can run on a variety of Intel powered hardware such as : PC, NUC, Mac, Intel QNAP and Intel Synology NAS.
There a huge amount of info over on the Roon Sites I suggest you start here Roon Knowledge Base.

Regards,
Carl


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#280124 - 2018-11-12 22:45 Re: Roon endpoint suggestions [Re: Carl]
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Hey Carl, sorry I worded that poorly.

I run Roon already and am looking to sort / improve my end points. I hadn’t realised the 861 could be used as an endpoint without some sort of source. It’s an almost perfect solution for what I am looking for...! Just need to find a 861v4 for reasonable money.

Thanks
Nick


G55, G68XXV, HD621, Oppo 105D, MacBook running Roon
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#280129 - 2018-11-13 00:17 Re: Roon endpoint suggestions [Re: Laserblues2]
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No worries. You could try posting a WTB: 861v4 in the Restaurant and see if anything interesting turns up.

Regards
Carl


861v6+ID40, HD621, 8000.2, 7200HC, 7200.2, SKYQ Silver, PS3, PDP-LX6090, QNAP TS870-Pro (8*6TB), Roon, iPadAir2.
[In Reserve] C15, MD600 (2*3TB), TwinStore RM (2*2TB)
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#280141 - 2018-11-13 10:10 Re: Roon endpoint suggestions [Re: Carl]
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Thanks Carl, someone messaged me so having a chat with them about it & we'll see.

Would there be a lot of advantage to going for the 861v4 over say the G68XXV with a MS600? Would there be much difference in sound quality?

Thanks


G55, G68XXV, HD621, Oppo 105D, MacBook running Roon
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#280159 - 2018-11-13 17:36 Re: Roon endpoint suggestions [Re: Laserblues2]
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In a word, yes. You'd benefit from fewer boxes scattered around. A lot of the extra cost of the MS600 is down to having better analogue outputs which would be redundant anyway.

If you can find an 861v4 with the linear power supply upgrade it would also show an additional improvement.


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#280260 - 2018-11-17 09:19 Re: Roon endpoint suggestions [Re: dpstjp]
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Thank you for the advice, sounds like I should keep an eye out for a 861v4!

Had another crazy thought earlier -

But an Oppo 203 to do 4K, can upgrade the TV (something I’ve wanted to do for a while) then use the Oppo 203 for the Roon end point in the lounge. Then I could set up the Oppo 105 downstairs with balanced outputs directly to the G57 & get some Kef LSX’s it LS50W’s for the bedroom!

Everything sorted for now & get a TV upgrade chucked into the mix. Only real consideration would be the HD621 to UHD722 as that would be necessary I guess.

Hmmmm decisions decisions.

I used to think I was indecisive,


G55, G68XXV, HD621, Oppo 105D, MacBook running Roon
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#280272 - 2018-11-17 18:51 Re: Roon endpoint suggestions [Re: Laserblues2]
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Hi

I know the Oppo 205 can be used as a Roon endpoint, but can the 203? I haven't kept up to speed on their firmware releases (I don't own either) but I had read previously that it would only be the 205 that was to be Roon compatible?

Cheers

George

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#280274 - 2018-11-17 19:30 Re: Roon endpoint suggestions [Re: Mr Meridian]
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Both work as Roon endpoints but only the 205 has MQA decoding.
I have Roon and a 203.


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Edited by Ratbert; 2018-11-17 19:39.
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#280276 - 2018-11-17 23:12 Re: Roon endpoint suggestions [Re: Ratbert]
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How does the 203 sound in comparison to Meridian Roon endpoints? Big difference? How have you set up the sound output? Through the HDMI?

Thanks


G55, G68XXV, HD621, Oppo 105D, MacBook running Roon
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#280278 - 2018-11-18 06:38 Re: Roon endpoint suggestions [Re: Laserblues2]
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Ah, discovered a slight issue. One of the main sources of content is Netflix and the new Oppo doesn’t offer streaming services such as Netflix....!


G55, G68XXV, HD621, Oppo 105D, MacBook running Roon
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#280279 - 2018-11-18 08:29 Re: Roon endpoint suggestions [Re: Laserblues2]
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To answer your questions.

I don’t use the Oppo 203 as a Roon endpoint as I have other DAC’s so I have no idea how it sounds.

The absence of Netflix on the Oppo is not an issue as my LG Oled has it as does SkyQ.

Perhaps a bigger concern for you would be that Oppo no longer manufacture BD players?


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#280281 - 2018-11-18 11:26 Re: Roon endpoint suggestions [Re: Ratbert]
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Ah ok, that’s a shame about the endpoint.

I was trying to work that out earlier, but if everything was plugged into the TV then you’d only need one output to the G68 and there would be no need for the HD621?

I’m not overly fussed about them no longer building them, as they’ve said they’ll support them for now and the 105D hasn’t had a firmware update in a while and it hasn’t made any difference.

Shame none of the competitors allow streaming services either!

I guess we could scrap the idea of the UHD722 or HD621 and just have one input from the TV into the amp, maybe a second for Roon which doesn’t need a screen so the amp purely has volume controls (and processing etc) but everything else in terms of HDMI switching is done from the TV.


G55, G68XXV, HD621, Oppo 105D, MacBook running Roon
Edited by Laserblues2; 2018-11-18 11:32.
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#280284 - 2018-11-18 16:07 Re: Roon endpoint suggestions [Re: Laserblues2]
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Originally Posted By Laserblues2
How does the 203 sound in comparison to Meridian Roon endpoints?

I used an Oppo 205 as a Roon endpoint for a few weeks, then decided the 218 was a better fit for my system.
The Oppo seemed to have less detail and maybe was a bit darker.


Roon, Technics SL10 turntable, Meridian 218, Jolida tube DAC, Nuforce STA 200 Amp and passive Swallow Acoustics ALS2 speakers
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#280298 - 2018-11-19 09:03 Re: Roon endpoint suggestions [Re: JimK]
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Thanks for the feedback!! I figured that may be the case, thinking that maybe forget the UHD722 (and existing HD621) and then plug everything into the TV and have an optical output from the TV to the G68. Then I have my switcher, then get a 218 and forget an Oppo.

I can still use the old Oppo as the source for the roof, and I'm sure it'd sound ok or maybe just get a MS600 for the roof but seems like overkill!


G55, G68XXV, HD621, Oppo 105D, MacBook running Roon
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#280635 - 2018-12-01 00:45 Re: Roon endpoint suggestions [Re: Laserblues2]
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I second the suggestions to source an 861 with an ID40/ID41 card. You will not be disappointed at the upgrade in sound quality, and they play very nicely with Roon as endpoints.


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