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#278904 - 2018-09-14 05:43 Re: The curse of never-ending tech upgrades [Re: GMT]
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I kind of get all that Tom but I'm always slightly suspicious of this type of thing where people think they have some level of authority in a subject that is so subjective. As I mentioned above, our screen size / viewing distance is literally off their scale yet everybody that has experienced it has loved it.

To me it's a bit like some chefs producing a chart telling you how a steak should be cooked or how much salt to add to food; trying to objectify something that is very subjective & personal. And getting their 'authority' because they work in the (relevant) industry.

Yes, I know there are bigger problems in the world. smile


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#278905 - 2018-09-14 06:04 Re: The curse of never-ending tech upgrades [Re: Not'arf]
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I guess it would help if there was an explanation about the viewing angle and how they came to that figure (is there something that you miss by sitting to close etc).

From the other extreme, it also suggest that 32" TV should be 4.5 feet away. These were once the largest TVs you could buy and I don't think people huddled up to them.

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#278906 - 2018-09-14 06:11 Re: The curse of never-ending tech upgrades [Re: Not'arf]
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Those charts have been around for a very long time in one form or another. I too have a very immersive experience, which is actually a problem for me when it comes to replacing my projector, because non-OLED (i.e. more affordable huge) flat panels have narrow viewing angles.

FWIW, my eyesight is pretty acute and I can make out the 1080p pixels when no signal is being received and the screen is just white, but it’s not an issue when watching anything. 4k might be an improvement, but I’m not about to re-buy my DVD/HDDVD/BD catalogue. That time is past and streaming is more cost effective, if lower quality vs. these discs. My priorities for movies have changed.


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#278907 - 2018-09-14 06:59 Re: The curse of never-ending tech upgrades [Re: VirusKiller]
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I couldn't imagine replacing all of my BD / DVD collection (1,300 discs?) either VK, but what I have done recently is to buy a (yet to be installed) Lumagen Radiance Pro 4K scaler that I hope will give me "4K" from my discs. They aren't cheap but they are vastly cheaper than replacing a beloved disc collection.


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#278908 - 2018-09-14 07:52 Re: The curse of never-ending tech upgrades [Re: VirusKiller]
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Originally Posted By VirusKiller
I too have a very immersive experience, which is actually a problem for me when it comes to replacing my projector, because non-OLED (i.e. more affordable huge) flat panels have narrow viewing angles.
Are you hell-bent on replacing your PJ with a flat panel? Projector technology might not move as fast as TV tech but it's still fast paced. I seem to remember from an age ago that your issue with PJs was fan noise. Rather than ditch the PJ concept altogether, can't you side-step the problem; box-in the PJ or buy a modern one with less fan noise?


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#278909 - 2018-09-14 08:47 Re: The curse of never-ending tech upgrades [Re: Not'arf]
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Originally Posted By Not'arf
Are you hell-bent on replacing your PJ
No.

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with a flat panel?
It's an idea.

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I seem to remember from an age ago that your issue with PJs was fan noise.
Yup.

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box-in the PJ
Possible, but TBH, I don't have much space to work with.

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or buy a modern one with less fan noise?
I've checked the specs of modern ones and, TBH, they don't appear to be much quieter. And it's specific frequencies which matter, not the overall headline number.


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#278913 - 2018-09-14 10:07 Re: The curse of never-ending tech upgrades [Re: VirusKiller]
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FWIW, I had a JVC HD350 until recently and just replaced it with an HD950. Both have the same fan and same 19db noise specifications. The 350s fan was way noisier (bearings I think) than the 950. The 350 was intrusive in quieter scenes and I don't hear the 950 at all now. So quoted DBs aren't everything and if there is a chance that your current PJ fan is noisy due to age, a change might work?


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#278918 - 2018-09-14 13:59 Re: The curse of never-ending tech upgrades [Re: Chris G]
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VK; a foam-lined box needn't be that much bigger than the PJ itself. Assuming the restriction is front-back (and not up-down, left-right) you could chisel out some wall space to gain some extra.

Chris; did you see much benefit moving from the 350 to the 950?


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#278919 - 2018-09-14 14:08 Re: The curse of never-ending tech upgrades [Re: VirusKiller]
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I have the JVC X30 model and I don't find the fan noise at all intrusive unless it's in the higher output, 3D-mode (very rarely). I'm quite sensitive to fan noise as well. The only JVC model I think was particularly bad was the initial model (B1?) which made more of a rumble than whoosh noise (that would annoy me). Which model do you have?


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#278925 - 2018-09-14 20:17 Re: The curse of never-ending tech upgrades [Re: Cliff.]
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We have JVC's X70 & that, after 5.5 very busy years, is still very quiet. If I pause it for a mid-film break, we can just about hear it but when the thing's in play, we never notice it.


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#278927 - 2018-09-14 20:45 Re: The curse of never-ending tech upgrades [Re: Cliff.]
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#278928 - 2018-09-15 07:26 Re: The curse of never-ending tech upgrades [Re: VirusKiller]
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Yes, that's the one. Subsequent models were improved significantly re noise. Personally, I'm hoping that LG will come up a rollable display >85". Flat panels are much more convenient than projectors but I'm not sure I want one that size visible all the time in a room not dedicated to HT.


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