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#277906 - 2018-07-12 13:26 Re: Dinosaurs are not the future [Re: spinaltap]
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Originally Posted By spinaltap
That’s not the solution: having to travel upwards of 100 miles to audition/evaluate kit - let alone the impractically of home auditioning simply doesn’t cut it.
We travel further than that to audition kit, but Rick and Andy at Audio Images always make us feel very welcome and do their best to accommodate our needs; we've now come to think of it as a fun 'road trip' with a great audition half-way.

To me, finding a dealer you like and trust, and having a good long-term relationship with them is more important than mileage. I wouldn't be going to another dealer even if they were situated closer (in fact, I believe some might be).


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#277911 - 2018-07-12 18:37 Re: Dinosaurs are not the future [Re: 3dit0r]
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The major flaw in your argument is if and when your item eventually goes wrong/needs repair (especially if Meridian) is that said item will have to be shipped to the distant dealer for attention/passing-on to the manufacturer.


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#277915 - 2018-07-12 19:41 Re: Dinosaurs are not the future [Re: spinaltap]
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Life does involve an element of risk. smile


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#277916 - 2018-07-12 20:09 Re: Dinosaurs are not the future [Re: Not'arf]
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Originally Posted By Not'arf
Life does involve an element of risk. smile
Not if you have a disability.


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#277917 - 2018-07-12 22:38 Re: Dinosaurs are not the future [Re: spinaltap]
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Originally Posted By spinaltap
The major flaw in your argument is if and when your item eventually goes wrong/needs repair (especially if Meridian) is that said item will have to be shipped to the distant dealer for attention/passing-on to the manufacturer.
I wasn’t making an argument, just expressing what we personally find to be more important/valuable in a dealer.


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#277921 - 2018-07-13 10:20 Re: Dinosaurs are not the future [Re: spinaltap]
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Originally Posted By spinaltap
Originally Posted By Not'arf
Life does involve an element of risk. smile
Not if you have a disability.
I don't see that the two are necessarily connected. An awful lot of perfectly healthy people are very risk-averse & very many disabled people are happy to embrace risk. Remember that teenage lad who lost both legs in a car race at Donnington last year; he was back racing within a few months. And finished on the podium first time out.

For example.


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#277932 - 2018-07-13 16:01 Re: Dinosaurs are not the future [Re: Not'arf]
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He doesn’t have MS.


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#277938 - 2018-07-14 07:17 Re: Dinosaurs are not the future [Re: spinaltap]
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I'd still stand by my earlier post in that just because somebody has a disability I don't see that they have to necessarily take a zero-risk approach to life. But if the MS applies to you spinaltap, then I'm very sorry indeed to hear it.


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#277942 - 2018-07-14 11:15 Re: Dinosaurs are not the future [Re: spinaltap]
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Originally Posted By spinaltap
The major flaw in your argument is if and when your item eventually goes wrong/needs repair (especially if Meridian) is that said item will have to be shipped to the distant dealer for attention/passing-on to the manufacturer.
Too true. I bought an automatic lawnmower from what I thought was a UK dealer (.co.uk domain etc).

Turned out they were Austrian. Said mower currently somewhere on the continent being "fixed" and I've no 'phone number to contact them on and emails can take a while to be replied to.

I'd far rather have paid more for a UK supplier who I could at least 'phone to discuss any issues.


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#277943 - 2018-07-14 14:04 Re: Dinosaurs are not the future [Re: Ratbert]
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Originally Posted By Ratbert
It was interesting to see the age range of attendees, I would say 75% were over 50 which is worrying for the future

Older people tend to have more time and disposable income to splash out on niche hobbies (and audiophilia is a very niche market). If you queued up at Record Store day you'd see a lot of much younger people. Audio is alive and doing very well. Audio shows have always been the preserve of 'anoraks' (no disrespect intended). Personally, although music is the number one love of my life I have no desire to go to an audio show these days and I'm over 50! Personally I'd liken a specialist audio show to something like Waxstock (Europe's largest specialist car care event) but I guarantee that 99.9% of car owners would never have heard of it let alone be interested in going. Would you be surprised to hear that one can buy 'hand made' car waxes for hundreds even thousands of pounds? Yes, the car care market also has its fair share of jewellery.

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I was also surprised by the number of people who don’t stream and have no intention of doing so.

I prefer physical formats. As do many people given the resurgence of vinyl over the past few years, and now even cassettes. When Kindles and Nooks first came out people said it would lead to the death of physical books. In fact once the novelty wore off, books came back into fashion. There's a reason why people prefer physical formats. Personally I'd describe myself as a musicphile. The equipment is a means to an end that's all. Given the choice of going to an audio show or a second hand record shop I know which one I'd prefer (yes, I know they sell records at audio shows). To be honest, apart from the records there's nothing at an audio show I'd be interested in and I have no desire to support the snake oil sellers with my presence.

As for Roon, tell an ordinary person in the street how much it costs and they'll laugh at you and go back to their Spotify. I use Foobar. It's free. I've looked at Roon and can't quite believe why people actually pay money for it when just as good free alternatives are available.

As for MQA . . . I'll move swiftly past that or I'll get banned!

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Wireless speakers if possible.

When I first heard of wireless speakers I was a bit confused as they had to be plugged in, so aren't actually wireless unless they have batteries built in. I have a friend who has a pair of Sonos One speakers. They are definitely not 'wireless' as they need to be plugged into the mains to work. But the sound quality was amazing. They are certainly 'good enough' for most people.

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I fear myself and others with racks in corners and speakers placed the appropriate distance from the wall and corners and startup procedures that rival an Apollo rocket launch are dinosaurs and increasingly irrelevant compared to the new way that buyers want to integrate audio into their lives.


If you think back to the 60's, 70's and '80's most people who listened to music had radiograms then music centres, usually with the speakers placed on the floor either side of the music centre. Younger people had or lusted after "boom boxes". Phones are the new music centres and boom boxs, and are far more flexible. People with audio separates and speakers positioned carefully have always been in the minority.

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Most women I spoke to liked a nice sound but never had time to just sit and listen so ‘good’ was good enough

Yes, sadly. That said you'll find quite a few professional female musicians have good quality audio systems, and by good quality I mean just that, not audiophile jewellery. Heck, there's a big folk scene where I live and the folk musicians who have listened to my system are all blown away by it saying it's the best sound quality they've ever heard. And that's with my late 1970's B&W DM2 mkII speakers. Good sound quality needn't be expensive. My speakers are good enough, I'd rather spend money on music than chasing some impossible to afford 'best' sounding speakers.

Maybe if men started cooking, cleaning, washing, ironing and feeding the kids then women would have more free time to sit and listen to music? eek

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Of course dinosaurs will lumber on but maybe our time is limited

I totally disagree. Come back in 50 years and you'll still find people buying proper hi-fi systems and physical music formats, just like they'll still be buying books. But audiophilia will still be a niche market, just as it is now. And Audio shows will still be the preserve of older people because older people will have more time and disposable income than younger folk who will by then be immersed in a VR world.

IMO of course!

Ali.


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#277944 - 2018-07-14 14:14 Re: Dinosaurs are not the future [Re: dpstjp]
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Originally Posted By dpstjp
Originally Posted By spinaltap
The major flaw in your argument is if and when your item eventually goes wrong/needs repair (especially if Meridian) is that said item will have to be shipped to the distant dealer for attention/passing-on to the manufacturer.
Too true. I bought an automatic lawnmower from what I thought was a UK dealer (.co.uk domain etc).

Turned out they were Austrian. Said mower currently somewhere on the continent being "fixed" and I've no 'phone number to contact them on and emails can take a while to be replied to.

I'd far rather have paid more for a UK supplier who I could at least 'phone to discuss any issues.
Both Meridian, and Rick are UK based, I have no qualms in that regard.


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#277947 - 2018-07-14 22:09 Re: Dinosaurs are not the future [Re: Alikris]
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I can listen to Brooks Williams latest album on release day because I can stream it. I will buy the album at a gig and probably still stream with the R😱😱N system I love so much. All my Brooks albums will be together in date order for easy access wether I have the physical album or not.

Your comments on Roon certainly don’t match my ongoing experience. Also MQA sounds startling on my Bluesound Pulse 2. I would think I am getting the best sound I have ever had from recorded music and at no extra expense to myself. Music has never sounded so good for me and my ability to access it in top quality is beyond anything I could have imagined only a very few years ago.

I like physical media, if I can find room to store it and I hope it goes on forever. Artists need something to sell at gigs beyond T Shirts but the future is here too.


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