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#277531 - 2018-06-26 11:45 Dinosaurs are not the future
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I attended the North West Audio Show at Cranage last weekend as an assistant to an exhibitor, the show is free entry including a complimentary glass of Prosecco. It was interesting to see the age range of attendees, I would say 75% were over 50 which is worrying for the future, I was also surprised by the number of people who don’t stream and have no intention of doing so. Roon seemed to have a good level of awareness amongst those who already stream or are planning to do so, MQA was a mystery word to everyone I spoke to and even when it was demonstrated and explained made no positive impression, in fact if there was one overriding impression it was that audio needs to fit into modern houses and be minimalist eg:

Speakers that are active and have the DAC built in so they can be streamed to directly from the streamer (Roon, Sooloos etc.) speaker size did not seem to be a significant factor but the minimal box count and absence of excessive cables was.

Wireless speakers if possible.

House friendly designs and customisation options, however, too much choice just confuses (you can have the speakers in any colour you want is not is not the answer) so this has to be carefully considered.

Speakers that can be placed near to the wall/corner and work well.

I fear myself and others with racks in corners and speakers placed the appropriate distance from the wall and corners and startup procedures that rival an Apollo rocket launch are dinosaurs and increasingly irrelevant compared to the new way that buyers want to integrate audio into their lives. Most women I spoke to liked a nice sound but never had time to just sit and listen so ‘good’ was good enough, critical to them was the way they accessed it, was it easy to turn on, easy to just play a song or album, going forward systems need to be intelligent so the user doesn’t have to be. When women were asked to pick a song they liked using Roon on an iPad they replied that they didn’t know how to and their husband/partner did that however once they were shown how Roon (and Sooloos would have been similar) worked on the iPad they were off and running, picking and adding tracks to the queue.

Bottom line is almost everyone can operate a smartphone or iPad and they want that and speakers, nothing else, a system anyone can understand and anyone can operate.

Of course dinosaurs will lumber on but maybe our time is limited

Russ 🦖


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Edited by Ratbert; 2018-06-26 18:15.
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#277546 - 2018-06-26 14:31 Re: Dinosaurs are not the future [Re: Ratbert]
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Another sign of how things are going:

I live in probably the densest nerd/capita region of the U.S. (silicon valley). Lots of gadget fans with lots of disposable income. Despite that, local audio stores have mostly closed, and the remaining ones are, for the most part, dedicated to custom installations, with hardly a customer ever seen in the shop.


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#277547 - 2018-06-26 14:35 Re: Dinosaurs are not the future [Re: Akimo]
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Hi Akimo

A lot of ‘traditional’ hifi shops want to carry on selling what they have always sold and sadly that is unlikely to be successful, the computer industry moves at a pace completely alien to most hifi companies and dealers.

The Times They Are A-Changin'

Russ


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#277548 - 2018-06-26 16:07 Re: Dinosaurs are not the future [Re: Ratbert]
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My current experience is that dedicated high-end/audiophile dealers carry very little stock compared the past. Where such dealers’ premises would once be full to the rafters of choice offerings they don’t currently have what you’re looking for. I’d say that my local dealer of choice had a very spartan choice of alternative brands.

Even though a given dealer might in theory be a brand x dealer they don’t necessarily carry the whole range as they once did. For example, all of the ‘local’ Rotel dealers that I’ve visited only carry their budget range. I will have to travel to Hereford to hear Rotel’s serious offerings.

I can’t find anyone that actually stocks or demo’s Quad. Local Meridian PP’s limit what they have on display. It’s exasperating, to say the least!


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#277549 - 2018-06-26 16:24 Re: Dinosaurs are not the future [Re: spinaltap]
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Martins Hi Fi carry a good selection.

Quad Meridian and other fine brands


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#277550 - 2018-06-26 16:31 Re: Dinosaurs are not the future [Re: MI']
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Indeed and perhaps a good example of how to keep up to date along with Audio Images.


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#277551 - 2018-06-26 16:48 Re: Dinosaurs are not the future [Re: Ratbert]
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Indeed Ratbert, indeed!


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#277553 - 2018-06-26 19:32 Re: Dinosaurs are not the future [Re: MI']
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That’s not the solution: having to travel upwards of 100 miles to audition/evaluate kit - let alone the impractically of home auditioning simply doesn’t cut it.


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#277554 - 2018-06-26 19:41 Re: Dinosaurs are not the future [Re: Ratbert]
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I just remembered another difference. When I first got into audio, many brands were happy to provide you with circuit diagrams if you wanted to do your own maintenance. Nowadays, when you ask the question of their support departments, there's a pause on the other end of the line, like you'd asked for the nuclear codes.

I think this whole thread fits into a pattern of most of the things in our lives (smart phones, tablets, iOt stuff, etc.) generally working so well and doing such complex stuff, it's effectively magic for most of us. Particularly for the younger generations, who have grown up around modern technology. We don't want to worry about impedance matching our amps and preamps, because that should just be taken care of.

A mixed blessing, of sorts.


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#277555 - 2018-06-26 20:14 Re: Dinosaurs are not the future [Re: spinaltap]
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Originally Posted By spinaltap
That’s not the solution: having to travel upwards of 100 miles to audition/evaluate kit - let alone the impractically of home auditioning simply doesn’t cut it.
I guess it depends on your interest and priorities, but if non are available closer to home, what is your alternative?


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#277557 - 2018-06-26 20:33 Re: Dinosaurs are not the future [Re: MI']
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Other products that are available locally I guess or internet dealers who will come to you and home demo.


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#277560 - 2018-06-26 23:14 Re: Dinosaurs are not the future [Re: Ratbert]
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I regularly travel upwards of 800 miles doing in home demos or providing certain pieces shipped out for home demos provided proper arrangments are made. It is not practical for me to offer full product lines this way but the more popular ones work out well. I keep 5200SE and most of the Shunyata products available for in home demo use.


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