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#277169 - 2018-06-16 17:39 Roon with ID40/861v4
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So I have finally pulled the plug on Roon and the ID40 for my 861.
I managed to install it myself, made the extra wire mod in the CO00 card and all seems perfect.

I am using Roon for a couple of days, it sounds nice and looks very nice.
I have a question for you users of the 861.

When there is a Album switch does your processor "makes the switch noise too" as like changing sources?
This doesn't make much sense to me, and it only happens when changing songs from different albums.
In the same album, the songs switch silently.

The sound is clearly the 861 changing inputs (but it does not change from the ID40 input of course).
Anyone else with this behaviour and why?

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#277170 - 2018-06-16 17:56 Re: Roon with ID40/861v4 [Re: Filipe]
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Likely to be different bitrates. Check the display when it does it.


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#277172 - 2018-06-16 19:30 Re: Roon with ID40/861v4 [Re: CMB Integrations - Bruce]
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Agreed, on my 818v3 the clicking on bit rate changes was unpleasant particularly in playlists.


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#277178 - 2018-06-16 21:46 Re: Roon with ID40/861v4 [Re: Ratbert]
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I forget what it was but I changed the setting which silenced the clicking. It was a few years ago and I can’t recall what it was. Perhaps muting the analogues or something like that.


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Edited by ncpl; 2018-06-17 16:09.
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#277179 - 2018-06-17 02:07 Re: Roon with ID40/861v4 [Re: ncpl]
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Originally Posted By ncpl
Perhaps muting the analogues or something like that.
Yep, spot on! Here's how to change it (instructions from the manual of my 818):

Muting the analogue relay

The 818 Reference Audio Core includes relay control of the analogue outputs, to ensure a totally silent output. The relay is activated when you mute the sound, and to avoid clicks in the loudspeakers when changing source.

If Output Mode is set to Fixed and you are using DSP loudspeakers you can choose to disable the muting relay, which permanently mutes the analogue outputs.

To set the relay mute mode

• Press < or > (under the front panel) until the display shows the current relay mute setting. For example: 'Relay Mute Normal'

• Press A [up arrow] or V [down arrow] (under the front panel) to change the setting. For example: 'Relay Mute Silent'


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#277197 - 2018-06-17 15:27 Re: Roon with ID40/861v4 [Re: Jeremy A-H]
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Just did this on my 818 the other day as I was setting up headphone mode. Very useful. As the manual states, if you use the two in conjunction with each other: “The relay mute acts normally when headphone mode is selected and returns to the silent mode when it is deselected.”


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#277229 - 2018-06-18 13:36 Re: Roon with ID40/861v4 [Re: 3dit0r]
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So to undestand it properly, this configuration MUTES the analogue outputs permanently?

What if one is using them? I do not have DSP loudspeakers. I am using analogue output into power amplifiers.

I am not close to the 861 to try it out right now...


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#277230 - 2018-06-18 14:06 Re: Roon with ID40/861v4 [Re: Filipe]
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See page 15 and 39 note this is for the 818, headphone mode was not available on the 861, relay mute may work?


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Edited by Ratbert; 2018-06-18 14:37.
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#277232 - 2018-06-18 14:30 Re: Roon with ID40/861v4 [Re: Filipe]
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Originally Posted By Filipe
So to undestand it properly, this configuration MUTES the analogue outputs permanently?

What if one is using them? I do not have DSP loudspeakers. I am using analogue output into power amplifiers.

I am not close to the 861 to try it out right now...
Sorry, I misunderstood.

I can't find a reference to the ability to mute the relay on an 861.

I think if you are using analogue amps/speakers this is specifically what the relay is for: to avoid clicks/pops through your speakers when changing sources/sample rates, so I don't think you can, or would want to, disable it.


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#277236 - 2018-06-18 16:15 Re: Roon with ID40/861v4 [Re: 3dit0r]
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So I should not be hearing a click/pop or "Thump" from my speakers when this clicking occurs? Because I AM...


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#277244 - 2018-06-18 18:31 Re: Roon with ID40/861v4 [Re: Filipe]
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That’s odd. I’ve never heard clicks or pops through analogue speakers when I’ve used them with 808.2 or 818.2/.3. I’d be surprised if this is different with the 861, but maybe owners/dealers can comment (?).

If not then there may be an issue with the unit, or the modification...?


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#277481 - 2018-06-25 09:00 Re: Roon with ID40/861v4 [Re: 3dit0r]
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I should explain what the pops are.

When I switch source in the 861 (from DVD to AUX or vice versa) there is a switch relay noise coming from inside the 861 : normal behaviour as described here.
There is also a very faint "thump" from the woofers of the speakers. Similar to switch on / switch off amplifier. Not offensive noise, just a faint woofer blow. If my subwoofer happens to be ON, the "thump" is louder, because the subwoofer makes much more mass movement.
It does not bother me when switching sources, but it does bother me when switching tracks during Roon playback.

Now I think about it, this behaviour has been here since the begining with TV BOX input.
When I switch channels on my TV BOX (with SAT input on the 861), there is this relay noise + woofer thump.


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#277482 - 2018-06-25 10:14 Re: Roon with ID40/861v4 [Re: Filipe]
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This doesn't sound normal to me. My understanding is that it's exactly what the relay is designed to prevent. I get no 'thumps' when switching sources or sample rates on my 818v3 when using analogue speakers with the relay operating. I never got any with different sets of analogue speakers using an 808.2i, or the 818v2, either, but I've never owned an 861, so maybe others could say whether it's normal behaviour for one of those units...?


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