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#277102 - 2018-06-13 17:05 271 + Trinnov Altitude
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Has anyone hooked a 271 to a Trinnov yet? TASCAM digital DB25-DB25 looks easy. BUT. then there is 271 config.

I'm checking to see what wisdom the Meridian guru's here might have smile

I'm assuming it works as Trinnov says they have dealers who have done it. The 271 manual says it should work, hehehe...


861v8+ID40, HD621, 808.3, MC200, 8000, 7200HC, 4x 5200, analog sub, iPads.
The MC200 feeds a Crestron source.
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#277104 - 2018-06-13 17:28 Re: 271 + Trinnov Altitude [Re: Xymox]
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Personal System #1 Trinnov Altitude 32-8-16, 818v3, DSP8000.2SE, DSP7200SEHC, Revel F228be, Revel B112, Monitor Audio Silver 10, ATI 200WX5 Amp, JVC RS15, Shunyata Denali 6000S, Alpha power cables, Black Diamond Zero Edge screen. QNAP TS-251 3TB
Mark Levinson No515 Turntable

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#277105 - 2018-06-13 18:09 Re: 271 + Trinnov Altitude [Re: Xymox]
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Hi
My Trinnov arrived today, the 271 and the cable arrive tomorrow.
Friday I will attempt to set them up, so I hope it all works!
If someone has done it already maybe they would like to share any tips?


Regards
Peter

Trinnov Altitude 32.16, 271, 5500*2, 7200HC, 5000*2, 320*4, Sim2 HD300 Link, Stewart Screen, LG OLED, Oppo BDP-103+203, HDI Dune Prime 3, 40TB NAS
FS:861v6 ID40, HD621
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#277106 - 2018-06-13 18:20 Re: 271 + Trinnov Altitude [Re: PWM]
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Hi

Finally got mine all working last weekend.

Assume you have got AC12s, check to read manual, as wiring of comms interesting. Also check out my thread on DSP33 comms, as slave connection can be fussy on AC12.

I missed the need for return s-lead, to AC12 and 271 did not talk to legacy DSPs.

Also I missed that master SpeakerLink needed to be in bottom row, slaves in top.

Which is your master, if 5500s then you will need return I think. Different if 7200 I think so check manual.

Surprised you still have these, no urge to change to 7200s?

Again advise you install control app and read manual couple of times.

Anyway enjoy combo, quite envious!

Kevin


Main system: 271, Marantz SR6011, 5500, 5500HC, 8x 33s, OPPO 203, Xbox one S, AppleTV4K, MAC mini, Sony vw760 , Stewart cabaret screen, LG 850 hdr tv, Linn LP12, Itok, Klyde, SkyQ, Panasonic BD, Toshiba HD-DVD.
Broken! G68D 598DP

System 2: 565, HD621, 519, 5000, 5000c, Mission 770, Quad 405x2, xBox1, SkyHD, Apple TV. JVC HD950.
Panasonic BD.
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#277107 - 2018-06-13 18:35 Re: 271 + Trinnov Altitude [Re: Linnasak]
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Read the Trinnov manual at least three times. I found a tablet (iPad in my case) the best interface for setting up the Altitude. I assume the 271, once configured, would play a passive role in the set-up.


Main system - Sources (Kodi-HTPC, Vero 4k, FireTV, Sat) into Trinnov Altitude 32 (8-16) (+Roon), Trinnov Amplitude 8 amp & Vivid Audio (Giya G3, V1.5) and REL Stentor III speakers. Others: F80 + Raspberry Pi and other Pi systems.
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#277109 - 2018-06-13 19:18 Re: 271 + Trinnov Altitude [Re: Cliff.]
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In my setup I’m using the 271 for volume hence comms are important. Also you can tweak DSP settings etc.

You can turn 271 on off with trigger as well, then it will turn off on DSPs etc.

You can set Meridian sources to set input on 271, I am thinking of getting a 218 for music, via SpeakerLink on 271 so could set CD for this and TV for Atmos processor. But you have Trinov so perhaps you can control everything through that.

Can you use Trinnov as MQA endpoint?

Kevin


Main system: 271, Marantz SR6011, 5500, 5500HC, 8x 33s, OPPO 203, Xbox one S, AppleTV4K, MAC mini, Sony vw760 , Stewart cabaret screen, LG 850 hdr tv, Linn LP12, Itok, Klyde, SkyQ, Panasonic BD, Toshiba HD-DVD.
Broken! G68D 598DP

System 2: 565, HD621, 519, 5000, 5000c, Mission 770, Quad 405x2, xBox1, SkyHD, Apple TV. JVC HD950.
Panasonic BD.
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#277135 - 2018-06-15 19:39 Re: 271 + Trinnov Altitude [Re: Linnasak]
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Hi,

I've got the Trinnov connected to the 271 via digital.

The Trinnov is outputting the signal ok and the 271 reports it’s getting the signal ok but I can't seem get any sound from the speakers.

All the speakers connected to the correct SpeakerLink sockets on the 271, 1+2 for main L+R, 3 for centre (the master) and I've put the rear surrounds on 5+6. The Trinnov output is mapped to these channels.

I must be missing something obvious but what!?


Regards
Peter

Trinnov Altitude 32.16, 271, 5500*2, 7200HC, 5000*2, 320*4, Sim2 HD300 Link, Stewart Screen, LG OLED, Oppo BDP-103+203, HDI Dune Prime 3, 40TB NAS
FS:861v6 ID40, HD621
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#277136 - 2018-06-15 21:02 Re: 271 + Trinnov Altitude [Re: PWM]
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Are you using AC12 or Reviver?


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Personal System #1 Trinnov Altitude 32-8-16, 818v3, DSP8000.2SE, DSP7200SEHC, Revel F228be, Revel B112, Monitor Audio Silver 10, ATI 200WX5 Amp, JVC RS15, Shunyata Denali 6000S, Alpha power cables, Black Diamond Zero Edge screen. QNAP TS-251 3TB
Mark Levinson No515 Turntable

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#277137 - 2018-06-15 21:29 Re: 271 + Trinnov Altitude [Re: CMB Integrations - Bruce]
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Check 2 things:

- Default input on 271, it is set to unbalanced by default on power up.

- That the master output has been changed to 3/4 SpeakerLink.

If you power up speakers with MSR is there still no sound?

Try different MSR sources / change to be digital Trinnov one)

Kevin


Main system: 271, Marantz SR6011, 5500, 5500HC, 8x 33s, OPPO 203, Xbox one S, AppleTV4K, MAC mini, Sony vw760 , Stewart cabaret screen, LG 850 hdr tv, Linn LP12, Itok, Klyde, SkyQ, Panasonic BD, Toshiba HD-DVD.
Broken! G68D 598DP

System 2: 565, HD621, 519, 5000, 5000c, Mission 770, Quad 405x2, xBox1, SkyHD, Apple TV. JVC HD950.
Panasonic BD.
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#277138 - 2018-06-15 21:31 Re: 271 + Trinnov Altitude [Re: CMB Integrations - Bruce]
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I’m using AC12s for the non SL speakers.


Regards
Peter

Trinnov Altitude 32.16, 271, 5500*2, 7200HC, 5000*2, 320*4, Sim2 HD300 Link, Stewart Screen, LG OLED, Oppo BDP-103+203, HDI Dune Prime 3, 40TB NAS
FS:861v6 ID40, HD621
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#277139 - 2018-06-15 21:31 Re: 271 + Trinnov Altitude [Re: Linnasak]
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Try DVD source on MSR.

Looks like default for DB25 digital.

Kevin


Main system: 271, Marantz SR6011, 5500, 5500HC, 8x 33s, OPPO 203, Xbox one S, AppleTV4K, MAC mini, Sony vw760 , Stewart cabaret screen, LG 850 hdr tv, Linn LP12, Itok, Klyde, SkyQ, Panasonic BD, Toshiba HD-DVD.
Broken! G68D 598DP

System 2: 565, HD621, 519, 5000, 5000c, Mission 770, Quad 405x2, xBox1, SkyHD, Apple TV. JVC HD950.
Panasonic BD.
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#277140 - 2018-06-15 21:58 Re: 271 + Trinnov Altitude [Re: PWM]
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Are all you speakers turning off and on, volume tracking?


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Personal System #1 Trinnov Altitude 32-8-16, 818v3, DSP8000.2SE, DSP7200SEHC, Revel F228be, Revel B112, Monitor Audio Silver 10, ATI 200WX5 Amp, JVC RS15, Shunyata Denali 6000S, Alpha power cables, Black Diamond Zero Edge screen. QNAP TS-251 3TB
Mark Levinson No515 Turntable

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#277142 - 2018-06-15 22:27 Re: 271 + Trinnov Altitude [Re: CMB Integrations - Bruce]
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Yes they are


Regards
Peter

Trinnov Altitude 32.16, 271, 5500*2, 7200HC, 5000*2, 320*4, Sim2 HD300 Link, Stewart Screen, LG OLED, Oppo BDP-103+203, HDI Dune Prime 3, 40TB NAS
FS:861v6 ID40, HD621
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#277149 - 2018-06-16 05:26 Re: 271 + Trinnov Altitude [Re: PWM]
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You can try to stream with Trinnov, then you exclude all possible problems/issues with the inputs.

In the Trinnov setup or just on the display you have to see then "Roon Ready" then the Trinnov using its own
network card and stream with Roon-assuming you have a network music provider like Tidal or other.

I had a similar problem, all comms worked with the Reviver and with my Amethyst and 861 and 218,
but no sound when I select the Trinnov as a zone in Roon.

The issue was that nobody told the Trinnov to change its input to stream.

I have "Mocca" installed on my iPad and go over VNC to the Trinnov, it’s nice as then you have access to all menus.


861v6+ID40/800v3/3x8k.2/3x5k5s smile /2x5kC/ 218/Explorer/TT-ELP/Trinnov Amethyst
__HB-strip, Ayon/HB/Shunyata/Dream State Audio/Miltzow -- power cables,
__Ayon/Jungson/Miltzow --analog, Miltzow-- digital,
__WMA/Finalizer- , iPad air, Macbook-pro.
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#277152 - 2018-06-16 07:48 Re: 271 + Trinnov Altitude [Re: RobertW]
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Hi

Is there setting in Trinnov to output digital, maybe default is XLR.

If you have another processor or preamp you could try connecting to unbalanced analogue input in 271, then just check if you get sound. Then you can prove 271 to DSPs are working or not.

Kevin


Main system: 271, Marantz SR6011, 5500, 5500HC, 8x 33s, OPPO 203, Xbox one S, AppleTV4K, MAC mini, Sony vw760 , Stewart cabaret screen, LG 850 hdr tv, Linn LP12, Itok, Klyde, SkyQ, Panasonic BD, Toshiba HD-DVD.
Broken! G68D 598DP

System 2: 565, HD621, 519, 5000, 5000c, Mission 770, Quad 405x2, xBox1, SkyHD, Apple TV. JVC HD950.
Panasonic BD.
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#277153 - 2018-06-16 08:10 Re: 271 + Trinnov Altitude [Re: Linnasak]
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Hi Peter

I'm assuming you are testing by turning on the pink noise test tones? When doing so, make sure you have an analogue source selected as this will ensure the Trinnov clock is in master mode (if set to slave mode, e.g. for a digital source, you may get no sound).

(Edit: I'm not sure if this apples to a digital output config but worth a try)


Main system - Sources (Kodi-HTPC, Vero 4k, FireTV, Sat) into Trinnov Altitude 32 (8-16) (+Roon), Trinnov Amplitude 8 amp & Vivid Audio (Giya G3, V1.5) and REL Stentor III speakers. Others: F80 + Raspberry Pi and other Pi systems.
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#277154 - 2018-06-16 08:30 Re: 271 + Trinnov Altitude [Re: Cliff.]
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Hi,

Using Roon as a test I ran analogue out from the Trinnov directly to some active speakers and get sound.
Ran the same output to the 271 (RCA analogue inputs 1+2), set the 271 CD source to RCA analogue in, no sound from the DSPs.

Using the same set up if I use the 271's analogue out still nothing from the active speakers ether.
In all the above cases when using the 271 Control IP is showing the correct input and correct sample rates for different tracks I tested.

It just seems the 271 is refusing to output anything, digital or analog. frown


Regards
Peter

Trinnov Altitude 32.16, 271, 5500*2, 7200HC, 5000*2, 320*4, Sim2 HD300 Link, Stewart Screen, LG OLED, Oppo BDP-103+203, HDI Dune Prime 3, 40TB NAS
FS:861v6 ID40, HD621
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#277159 - 2018-06-16 10:20 Re: 271 + Trinnov Altitude [Re: PWM]
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Hi

I would be tempted to reset 271 to defaults, then perhaps feed it with analogue RCA with say the 7200 out of master DSP 1/2.

Then see if you get output as in theory this is the default setup.

If this then works start adding SpeakerLink DSPs etc, then AC12s with legacy DSPs, then Trinnov. If can’t get stage 1 to work, perhaps faulty 271!

Had something similar, probably unconnected, when I fed my G68 with analogue inputs for zone 1 multi channel and zone 2 stereo, it ran out of ADC, output nothing and had to feed channels via external ADC (565) to fix. Wonder if it is confused by digital and analogue inputs?

Anyone else get a trinnov to work?

Kevin


Main system: 271, Marantz SR6011, 5500, 5500HC, 8x 33s, OPPO 203, Xbox one S, AppleTV4K, MAC mini, Sony vw760 , Stewart cabaret screen, LG 850 hdr tv, Linn LP12, Itok, Klyde, SkyQ, Panasonic BD, Toshiba HD-DVD.
Broken! G68D 598DP

System 2: 565, HD621, 519, 5000, 5000c, Mission 770, Quad 405x2, xBox1, SkyHD, Apple TV. JVC HD950.
Panasonic BD.
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#277166 - 2018-06-16 10:53 Re: 271 + Trinnov Altitude [Re: Linnasak]
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Some progress!
Rebooted the 271 a couple of times and now have managed to get analogue out of it.
Nothing like the good old reboot!


Regards
Peter

Trinnov Altitude 32.16, 271, 5500*2, 7200HC, 5000*2, 320*4, Sim2 HD300 Link, Stewart Screen, LG OLED, Oppo BDP-103+203, HDI Dune Prime 3, 40TB NAS
FS:861v6 ID40, HD621
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#277171 - 2018-06-16 18:54 Re: 271 + Trinnov Altitude [Re: Xymox]
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Success. Got the digital output working.

Strangely the Trinnov had to be set to "AES OLD 1-16" output which the manual says not to use!
To quote the manual
Quote:
AES OLD 1-16: old routing used in the prerelease models. Do not use.
I had set it to use the AES 1-16 output which is the output specified in the manual.

Maybe I need to speak to the dealer?
PS it sounds fantastic!


Regards
Peter

Trinnov Altitude 32.16, 271, 5500*2, 7200HC, 5000*2, 320*4, Sim2 HD300 Link, Stewart Screen, LG OLED, Oppo BDP-103+203, HDI Dune Prime 3, 40TB NAS
FS:861v6 ID40, HD621
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#277173 - 2018-06-16 20:03 Re: 271 + Trinnov Altitude [Re: PWM]
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Excellent


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Personal System #1 Trinnov Altitude 32-8-16, 818v3, DSP8000.2SE, DSP7200SEHC, Revel F228be, Revel B112, Monitor Audio Silver 10, ATI 200WX5 Amp, JVC RS15, Shunyata Denali 6000S, Alpha power cables, Black Diamond Zero Edge screen. QNAP TS-251 3TB
Mark Levinson No515 Turntable

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#277174 - 2018-06-16 20:18 Re: 271 + Trinnov Altitude [Re: CMB Integrations - Bruce]
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Good to hear you cracked it.

Comparisons to the 861 would be interesting.

Kevin


Main system: 271, Marantz SR6011, 5500, 5500HC, 8x 33s, OPPO 203, Xbox one S, AppleTV4K, MAC mini, Sony vw760 , Stewart cabaret screen, LG 850 hdr tv, Linn LP12, Itok, Klyde, SkyQ, Panasonic BD, Toshiba HD-DVD.
Broken! G68D 598DP

System 2: 565, HD621, 519, 5000, 5000c, Mission 770, Quad 405x2, xBox1, SkyHD, Apple TV. JVC HD950.
Panasonic BD.
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#277207 - 2018-06-17 20:32 Re: 271 + Trinnov Altitude [Re: Linnasak]
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Having had a bit of a play with it I’ve got to say the 861, as good as it was is no match for the Trinnov.
To my ears music playback is at least as good with the added bonus of been able to play multichannel via Roon. The one drawback is no Trifield, the Dolby upmix isn’t as subtle.

With movies it blows the 861 out of the water even without the 3D codecs. No contest. It’s clearer and more detailed whilst being subtle.

I still have to run more of the setup/room correction and expect further improvements.

Assuming the Altitude 16 is similar and you can live without digital out I can’t see why anyone would buy a new 861. If the extra AD conversion via the 271 isn’t a problem then even more reasons not to go with the 861.

The 861 is dead, it’s only selling point is Trifield.
As the 861 doesn’t handle MQA just do the same as you would with the Trinnov. Feed the 271 SpeakerLink with a 218.

If you’re a DSP speaker and 861 owner looking for a processor that handles modern 3D audio codecs, multichannel music streaming via Roon (Sooloos won’t) and advanced room correction here’s your answer.
I’d expect to see a few second hand 861s coming up for sale.

The 861 is great and I’ve enjoyed mine for years and if you are happy with where it is at then that’s ok.
The Trinnov is everything that the 861 should have evolved into.

Sorry Meridian frown


Regards
Peter

Trinnov Altitude 32.16, 271, 5500*2, 7200HC, 5000*2, 320*4, Sim2 HD300 Link, Stewart Screen, LG OLED, Oppo BDP-103+203, HDI Dune Prime 3, 40TB NAS
FS:861v6 ID40, HD621
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#277208 - 2018-06-17 20:49 Re: 271 + Trinnov Altitude [Re: PWM]
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I have been saying this all along the Casablaca 4a, the Trinnov, the MC10, and the Storm are all great candidates


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Personal System #1 Trinnov Altitude 32-8-16, 818v3, DSP8000.2SE, DSP7200SEHC, Revel F228be, Revel B112, Monitor Audio Silver 10, ATI 200WX5 Amp, JVC RS15, Shunyata Denali 6000S, Alpha power cables, Black Diamond Zero Edge screen. QNAP TS-251 3TB
Mark Levinson No515 Turntable

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#277209 - 2018-06-17 21:02 Re: 271 + Trinnov Altitude [Re: CMB Integrations - Bruce]
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The 271 is the game changer allowing you to keep your DSPs and break free from the 861 with ease.


Regards
Peter

Trinnov Altitude 32.16, 271, 5500*2, 7200HC, 5000*2, 320*4, Sim2 HD300 Link, Stewart Screen, LG OLED, Oppo BDP-103+203, HDI Dune Prime 3, 40TB NAS
FS:861v6 ID40, HD621
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#277212 - 2018-06-17 21:06 Re: 271 + Trinnov Altitude [Re: PWM]
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Agreed. I forgot to mention the McIntosh and the Datasat.


www.cmbintegrations.com

Personal System #1 Trinnov Altitude 32-8-16, 818v3, DSP8000.2SE, DSP7200SEHC, Revel F228be, Revel B112, Monitor Audio Silver 10, ATI 200WX5 Amp, JVC RS15, Shunyata Denali 6000S, Alpha power cables, Black Diamond Zero Edge screen. QNAP TS-251 3TB
Mark Levinson No515 Turntable

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#277213 - 2018-06-17 21:36 Re: 271 + Trinnov Altitude [Re: PWM]
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Glad to hear you've got it more or less sorted. Your experience closely echoes mine going from the 861v8 to the Altitude32. The crispness with which MC material (both film and music) is delivered is simply amazing. Expect further significant improvements to music replay when you start playing with the target curve.


Main system - Sources (Kodi-HTPC, Vero 4k, FireTV, Sat) into Trinnov Altitude 32 (8-16) (+Roon), Trinnov Amplitude 8 amp & Vivid Audio (Giya G3, V1.5) and REL Stentor III speakers. Others: F80 + Raspberry Pi and other Pi systems.
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#277217 - 2018-06-18 06:13 Re: 271 + Trinnov Altitude [Re: Cliff.]
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Cliff and PWM,

Maybe you can try to test Aura 3D upmix from STANDARD stereo sources and tell how it sounds?
Artificial, realistic, bad...?

Thanks Robert


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__HB-strip, Ayon/HB/Shunyata/Dream State Audio/Miltzow -- power cables,
__Ayon/Jungson/Miltzow --analog, Miltzow-- digital,
__WMA/Finalizer- , iPad air, Macbook-pro.
Reviver
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#277224 - 2018-06-18 09:47 Re: 271 + Trinnov Altitude [Re: RobertW]
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Hi Robert

I sometimes use a 4.0 speaker layout for stereo sources in which the Auro-3D upmixer brings in the rear channels. The sound is closest to Meridian's Trifield with the rear speakers providing a bit of subtle support to the front two. The sound is quite natural and it's not obvious the rear speakers are active. You could also play around with the relative gains to enhance or reduce the rear effect. I haven't done any experimentation in this respect.

I've also played with my full speaker layout again using the Auro-3D upmixer. In this case you get a more 'hall-like' sound which is really good for some rock tracks. There are endless possible tweaks with respect to the relative gain settings of the various speakers sets and bass management options which I haven't played with.




Main system - Sources (Kodi-HTPC, Vero 4k, FireTV, Sat) into Trinnov Altitude 32 (8-16) (+Roon), Trinnov Amplitude 8 amp & Vivid Audio (Giya G3, V1.5) and REL Stentor III speakers. Others: F80 + Raspberry Pi and other Pi systems.
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#277225 - 2018-06-18 10:20 Re: 271 + Trinnov Altitude [Re: Cliff.]
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Thanks Cliff.

The reason for asking is that I have the 4 channel Trinnov Amethyst but can't upmix. ***

Streaming either over the ID40 or 218 with Trifield or music preset with all my 7 speakers doesn't sound as good as just streaming direct from Trinnov and L/R speakers, it was was a big surprise for me.
On some music it's not a big difference, but mainly for my music taste that are remarkable.

So I am in a dilemma right now, as with a pure M chain the DSP presets sounds better as just L/R.
So my wish is to use the Altitude to have the better sound/streaming and also the upmix to make it even a better (hope so) sound.
The ambience and more equal bass generation of 7 speakers I want miss, what I can't use now when I stream from Trinnov, just when I stream from 861 or 218. ***

So for me the main question is, how does the Aura upmix sound when the important center speaker is involved?
Here in Austria they are no cinema or music room with a Trinnov altitude and three identical high quality front speakers, so I can get impression how the upmix can sound compared to the upmix/presets from M...

Cliff do you stream with Roon Ready and Tidal, and if so, how many speaker are you use and how does it sounds?

My experience with Amethyst and MQA:

As Trinnov doesn't support MQA switch both off "MQA support"/"decoder" and "render" as otherwise the Trinnov will not replay the first-step unpacked MQA stream from TIDAL correctly. Then Trinnov just plays the unfolded basic music stream.


861v6+ID40/800v3/3x8k.2/3x5k5s smile /2x5kC/ 218/Explorer/TT-ELP/Trinnov Amethyst
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#277226 - 2018-06-18 11:43 Re: 271 + Trinnov Altitude [Re: RobertW]
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As I don't have room for a centre channel speaker, I'm afraid I can't answer your key question


Main system - Sources (Kodi-HTPC, Vero 4k, FireTV, Sat) into Trinnov Altitude 32 (8-16) (+Roon), Trinnov Amplitude 8 amp & Vivid Audio (Giya G3, V1.5) and REL Stentor III speakers. Others: F80 + Raspberry Pi and other Pi systems.
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#277228 - 2018-06-18 12:43 Re: 271 + Trinnov Altitude [Re: RobertW]
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I’ll have a play tonight and let you know how it sounds


Regards
Peter

Trinnov Altitude 32.16, 271, 5500*2, 7200HC, 5000*2, 320*4, Sim2 HD300 Link, Stewart Screen, LG OLED, Oppo BDP-103+203, HDI Dune Prime 3, 40TB NAS
FS:861v6 ID40, HD621
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#277246 - 2018-06-18 19:37 Re: 271 + Trinnov Altitude [Re: RobertW]
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With the Auro 3D running on a regular 2 channel source all the speakers are involved.
It’s certainly more subtle than the Dolby surround up mix. The rears are still a bit more involved than in Trifield,
As Cliff says you could further tweak this with a preset.
I may use this as my preferred setup for 2 channel music.


Regards
Peter

Trinnov Altitude 32.16, 271, 5500*2, 7200HC, 5000*2, 320*4, Sim2 HD300 Link, Stewart Screen, LG OLED, Oppo BDP-103+203, HDI Dune Prime 3, 40TB NAS
FS:861v6 ID40, HD621
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#277248 - 2018-06-18 20:02 Re: 271 + Trinnov Altitude [Re: Cliff.]
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Thanks Cliff for your help anyway.


861v6+ID40/800v3/3x8k.2/3x5k5s smile /2x5kC/ 218/Explorer/TT-ELP/Trinnov Amethyst
__HB-strip, Ayon/HB/Shunyata/Dream State Audio/Miltzow -- power cables,
__Ayon/Jungson/Miltzow --analog, Miltzow-- digital,
__WMA/Finalizer- , iPad air, Macbook-pro.
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#277249 - 2018-06-18 20:07 Re: 271 + Trinnov Altitude [Re: PWM]
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Thanks Peter, so is it a realistic upmix, not artificial?

I suspect that between your lines when you compare it with Trifield?

Sorry to bother you again, do you prefer it against a "pure" only L/R playback?

Thanks
Robert


861v6+ID40/800v3/3x8k.2/3x5k5s smile /2x5kC/ 218/Explorer/TT-ELP/Trinnov Amethyst
__HB-strip, Ayon/HB/Shunyata/Dream State Audio/Miltzow -- power cables,
__Ayon/Jungson/Miltzow --analog, Miltzow-- digital,
__WMA/Finalizer- , iPad air, Macbook-pro.
Reviver
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#277610 - 2018-06-28 01:22 Re: 271 + Trinnov Altitude [Re: Xymox]
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I received my demo Altitude 32 8-16 yesterday along with another for a member here.

It is connected to a 271 and on to my 8kSE and 7.2kSE front end. I will need to remove the Theta Casablanca 4 to make room for the Trinnov in the equipment rack and final hook up to the analog sides, rears, and sub. Initially to familiarize myself with the setup of both units, they are laid out on the floor of the demo room to aid in connection and setup.

The 271 was instantly found by the iPad app and it's setup is very straightforward. The Trinnov is setup with a PC, Mac, or Tablet using a VNC application over the network. Connection to the device is a pretty simple task and I had the Trinnov 271 combo providing audio from a CD in a few minutes.

I started with a 7.1 configuration initially to give the Casablanca 4 and the 861v8 a fair shake. I connected the Trinnov to the 271 with a single D'addario DB-25 Core snake cable. These are available for less than 20 dollars off of Amazon in 5ft length. I will use a higher quality cable from Morgami at a later date. I will need to get some balanced to single ended adapters in order to connect my Revel sub and analog sides and surrounds. Once those are connected, I will run the 3D optimizer mic and give the system a good workout which will be reported here later this week.


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Personal System #1 Trinnov Altitude 32-8-16, 818v3, DSP8000.2SE, DSP7200SEHC, Revel F228be, Revel B112, Monitor Audio Silver 10, ATI 200WX5 Amp, JVC RS15, Shunyata Denali 6000S, Alpha power cables, Black Diamond Zero Edge screen. QNAP TS-251 3TB
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#278089 - 2018-07-22 14:16 Re: 271 + Trinnov Altitude [Re: CMB Integrations - Bruce]
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One interesting thing to note is that the volume and mute commands of the Trinnov also control the DSP speakers. I am told that this was not intentional. Luckily you can disable the IR receiver in the speakers.


www.cmbintegrations.com

Personal System #1 Trinnov Altitude 32-8-16, 818v3, DSP8000.2SE, DSP7200SEHC, Revel F228be, Revel B112, Monitor Audio Silver 10, ATI 200WX5 Amp, JVC RS15, Shunyata Denali 6000S, Alpha power cables, Black Diamond Zero Edge screen. QNAP TS-251 3TB
Mark Levinson No515 Turntable

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