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#277142 - 2018-06-15 22:27 Re: 271 + Trinnov Altitude [Re: CMB Integrations - Bruce]
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Yes they are


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Peter

Trinnov Altitude 32.16, 271, 5500*2, 7200HC, 5000*2, 320*4, Sim2 HD300 Link, Stewart Screen, LG OLED, Oppo BDP-103+203, HDI Dune Prime 3, 40TB NAS
FS:861v6 ID40, HD621
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#277149 - 2018-06-16 05:26 Re: 271 + Trinnov Altitude [Re: PWM]
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You can try to stream with Trinnov, then you exclude all possible problems/issues with the inputs.

In the Trinnov setup or just on the display you have to see then "Roon Ready" then the Trinnov using its own
network card and stream with Roon-assuming you have a network music provider like Tidal or other.

I had a similar problem, all comms worked with the Reviver and with my Amethyst and 861 and 218,
but no sound when I select the Trinnov as a zone in Roon.

The issue was that nobody told the Trinnov to change its input to stream.

I have "Mocca" installed on my iPad and go over VNC to the Trinnov, it’s nice as then you have access to all menus.


861v6+ID40/800v3/3x8k.2/3x5k5s smile /2x5kC/ 218/Explorer/TT-ELP/Trinnov Amethyst
__HB-strip, Ayon/HB/Shunyata/Dream State Audio/Miltzow -- power cables,
__Ayon/Jungson/Miltzow --analog, Miltzow-- digital,
__WMA/Finalizer- , iPad air, Macbook-pro.
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#277152 - 2018-06-16 07:48 Re: 271 + Trinnov Altitude [Re: RobertW]
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Hi

Is there setting in Trinnov to output digital, maybe default is XLR.

If you have another processor or preamp you could try connecting to unbalanced analogue input in 271, then just check if you get sound. Then you can prove 271 to DSPs are working or not.

Kevin


Main system: 271, Marantz SR6011, 5500, 5500HC, 8x 33s, OPPO 203, Xbox one S, AppleTV4K, MAC mini, Sony vw760 , Stewart cabaret screen, LG 850 hdr tv, Linn LP12, Itok, Klyde, SkyQ, Panasonic BD, Toshiba HD-DVD.
Broken! G68D 598DP

System 2: 565, HD621, 519, 5000, 5000c, Mission 770, Quad 405x2, xBox1, SkyHD, Apple TV. JVC HD950.
Panasonic BD.
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#277153 - 2018-06-16 08:10 Re: 271 + Trinnov Altitude [Re: Linnasak]
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Hi Peter

I'm assuming you are testing by turning on the pink noise test tones? When doing so, make sure you have an analogue source selected as this will ensure the Trinnov clock is in master mode (if set to slave mode, e.g. for a digital source, you may get no sound).

(Edit: I'm not sure if this apples to a digital output config but worth a try)


Main system - Sources (Kodi-HTPC, Vero 4k, FireTV, Sat) into Trinnov Altitude 32 (8-16) (+Roon), Trinnov Amplitude 8 amp & Vivid Audio (Giya G3, V1.5) and REL Stentor III speakers. Others: F80 + Raspberry Pi and other Pi systems.
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#277154 - 2018-06-16 08:30 Re: 271 + Trinnov Altitude [Re: Cliff.]
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Hi,

Using Roon as a test I ran analogue out from the Trinnov directly to some active speakers and get sound.
Ran the same output to the 271 (RCA analogue inputs 1+2), set the 271 CD source to RCA analogue in, no sound from the DSPs.

Using the same set up if I use the 271's analogue out still nothing from the active speakers ether.
In all the above cases when using the 271 Control IP is showing the correct input and correct sample rates for different tracks I tested.

It just seems the 271 is refusing to output anything, digital or analog. frown


Regards
Peter

Trinnov Altitude 32.16, 271, 5500*2, 7200HC, 5000*2, 320*4, Sim2 HD300 Link, Stewart Screen, LG OLED, Oppo BDP-103+203, HDI Dune Prime 3, 40TB NAS
FS:861v6 ID40, HD621
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#277159 - 2018-06-16 10:20 Re: 271 + Trinnov Altitude [Re: PWM]
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Hi

I would be tempted to reset 271 to defaults, then perhaps feed it with analogue RCA with say the 7200 out of master DSP 1/2.

Then see if you get output as in theory this is the default setup.

If this then works start adding SpeakerLink DSPs etc, then AC12s with legacy DSPs, then Trinnov. If can’t get stage 1 to work, perhaps faulty 271!

Had something similar, probably unconnected, when I fed my G68 with analogue inputs for zone 1 multi channel and zone 2 stereo, it ran out of ADC, output nothing and had to feed channels via external ADC (565) to fix. Wonder if it is confused by digital and analogue inputs?

Anyone else get a trinnov to work?

Kevin


Main system: 271, Marantz SR6011, 5500, 5500HC, 8x 33s, OPPO 203, Xbox one S, AppleTV4K, MAC mini, Sony vw760 , Stewart cabaret screen, LG 850 hdr tv, Linn LP12, Itok, Klyde, SkyQ, Panasonic BD, Toshiba HD-DVD.
Broken! G68D 598DP

System 2: 565, HD621, 519, 5000, 5000c, Mission 770, Quad 405x2, xBox1, SkyHD, Apple TV. JVC HD950.
Panasonic BD.
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#277166 - 2018-06-16 10:53 Re: 271 + Trinnov Altitude [Re: Linnasak]
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Some progress!
Rebooted the 271 a couple of times and now have managed to get analogue out of it.
Nothing like the good old reboot!


Regards
Peter

Trinnov Altitude 32.16, 271, 5500*2, 7200HC, 5000*2, 320*4, Sim2 HD300 Link, Stewart Screen, LG OLED, Oppo BDP-103+203, HDI Dune Prime 3, 40TB NAS
FS:861v6 ID40, HD621
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#277171 - 2018-06-16 18:54 Re: 271 + Trinnov Altitude [Re: Xymox]
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Success. Got the digital output working.

Strangely the Trinnov had to be set to "AES OLD 1-16" output which the manual says not to use!
To quote the manual
Quote:
AES OLD 1-16: old routing used in the prerelease models. Do not use.
I had set it to use the AES 1-16 output which is the output specified in the manual.

Maybe I need to speak to the dealer?
PS it sounds fantastic!


Regards
Peter

Trinnov Altitude 32.16, 271, 5500*2, 7200HC, 5000*2, 320*4, Sim2 HD300 Link, Stewart Screen, LG OLED, Oppo BDP-103+203, HDI Dune Prime 3, 40TB NAS
FS:861v6 ID40, HD621
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#277173 - 2018-06-16 20:03 Re: 271 + Trinnov Altitude [Re: PWM]
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Excellent


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Personal System #1 Trinnov Altitude 32-8-16, 818v3, DSP8000.2SE, DSP7200SEHC, Revel F228be, Revel B112, Monitor Audio Silver 10, ATI 200WX5 Amp, JVC RS15, Shunyata Denali 6000S, Alpha power cables, Black Diamond Zero Edge screen. QNAP TS-251 3TB
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#277174 - 2018-06-16 20:18 Re: 271 + Trinnov Altitude [Re: CMB Integrations - Bruce]
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Good to hear you cracked it.

Comparisons to the 861 would be interesting.

Kevin


Main system: 271, Marantz SR6011, 5500, 5500HC, 8x 33s, OPPO 203, Xbox one S, AppleTV4K, MAC mini, Sony vw760 , Stewart cabaret screen, LG 850 hdr tv, Linn LP12, Itok, Klyde, SkyQ, Panasonic BD, Toshiba HD-DVD.
Broken! G68D 598DP

System 2: 565, HD621, 519, 5000, 5000c, Mission 770, Quad 405x2, xBox1, SkyHD, Apple TV. JVC HD950.
Panasonic BD.
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#277207 - 2018-06-17 20:32 Re: 271 + Trinnov Altitude [Re: Linnasak]
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Having had a bit of a play with it I’ve got to say the 861, as good as it was is no match for the Trinnov.
To my ears music playback is at least as good with the added bonus of been able to play multichannel via Roon. The one drawback is no Trifield, the Dolby upmix isn’t as subtle.

With movies it blows the 861 out of the water even without the 3D codecs. No contest. It’s clearer and more detailed whilst being subtle.

I still have to run more of the setup/room correction and expect further improvements.

Assuming the Altitude 16 is similar and you can live without digital out I can’t see why anyone would buy a new 861. If the extra AD conversion via the 271 isn’t a problem then even more reasons not to go with the 861.

The 861 is dead, it’s only selling point is Trifield.
As the 861 doesn’t handle MQA just do the same as you would with the Trinnov. Feed the 271 SpeakerLink with a 218.

If you’re a DSP speaker and 861 owner looking for a processor that handles modern 3D audio codecs, multichannel music streaming via Roon (Sooloos won’t) and advanced room correction here’s your answer.
I’d expect to see a few second hand 861s coming up for sale.

The 861 is great and I’ve enjoyed mine for years and if you are happy with where it is at then that’s ok.
The Trinnov is everything that the 861 should have evolved into.

Sorry Meridian frown


Regards
Peter

Trinnov Altitude 32.16, 271, 5500*2, 7200HC, 5000*2, 320*4, Sim2 HD300 Link, Stewart Screen, LG OLED, Oppo BDP-103+203, HDI Dune Prime 3, 40TB NAS
FS:861v6 ID40, HD621
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#277208 - 2018-06-17 20:49 Re: 271 + Trinnov Altitude [Re: PWM]
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CMB Integrations - Bruce Online content
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I have been saying this all along the Casablaca 4a, the Trinnov, the MC10, and the Storm are all great candidates


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Personal System #1 Trinnov Altitude 32-8-16, 818v3, DSP8000.2SE, DSP7200SEHC, Revel F228be, Revel B112, Monitor Audio Silver 10, ATI 200WX5 Amp, JVC RS15, Shunyata Denali 6000S, Alpha power cables, Black Diamond Zero Edge screen. QNAP TS-251 3TB
Mark Levinson No515 Turntable

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